New Entourage Owner
 

My dealer is having a special this month. They are offering 30% off
every Hyundai in stock. The 30% is off the dealer markup sticker and
NOT the Hyundai sticker.

When I got to the dealer, and expressed my interest in an Entourage SE,
all of a sudden the 30% off had exclusions, and one of them was the
Entourage. Only 10% off, plus the $1500 rebate from Hyundai.

It took me threatening legal action, since the radio commercial has
clearly NO exceptions mentioned, but I did get my 30% off.

Anyway, sticker was $29,890. Dealer sticker was $32,885 after $2995 for
pin striping and door guards (what a joke). Wound up paying just south
of $21,000. After taxes and tags, trading in our 2002 Elantra, and
$5,000 down, we financed around $12,000.

We wound up with a blue SE with the ~$3000 DVD/entertainment package.
Let me say that we were really looking to buy the GLS with the small
option package (no DVD and a ton of other stuff we didn't need or really
want), but without even one of them on the lot, they were unwilling to
negotiate on getting one that way.

I can't really offer too many impressions yet, except to say that it
really drives like a car. Build quality seems as good as, or slightly
better, than my 2006 Sonata. Oh, and the cup holders are plentiful and
well-designed :-)

On the negative side, I now own two vehicles (or make payments on two
vehicles) that get worse mileage than the two they replaced. Kind of a
step backwards. But with a somewhat rapidly expanding family, I think
it was a more energy-efficient choice than buying some other vehicles on
the market.

Well, more impressions to follow....once we figure out all the damned
buttons :-)

Eric

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

Eric G. on his post about his brand new Entourage (which he got a GREAT
price), said: "Well, more impressions to follow....once we figure out all
the damned buttons."
:-) ......

I thought figuring out the buttons was always the fun part of a new vehicle.
Kind of like that Bud Light commercial from years ago with the guy claiming
to be a doctor playing around with all the buttons inside a limousine.

Hey, enjoy. And, especially after break-in, keep us posted what kind of
fuel mileage it's getting.

Tom Wenndt



"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
news:Xns97E43F3D71EC0Xz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ...
> My dealer is having a special this month. They are offering 30% off
> every Hyundai in stock. The 30% is off the dealer markup sticker and
> NOT the Hyundai sticker.
>
> When I got to the dealer, and expressed my interest in an Entourage SE,
> all of a sudden the 30% off had exclusions, and one of them was the
> Entourage. Only 10% off, plus the $1500 rebate from Hyundai.
>
> It took me threatening legal action, since the radio commercial has
> clearly NO exceptions mentioned, but I did get my 30% off.
>
> Anyway, sticker was $29,890. Dealer sticker was $32,885 after $2995 for
> pin striping and door guards (what a joke). Wound up paying just south
> of $21,000. After taxes and tags, trading in our 2002 Elantra, and
> $5,000 down, we financed around $12,000.
>
> We wound up with a blue SE with the ~$3000 DVD/entertainment package.
> Let me say that we were really looking to buy the GLS with the small
> option package (no DVD and a ton of other stuff we didn't need or really
> want), but without even one of them on the lot, they were unwilling to
> negotiate on getting one that way.
>
> I can't really offer too many impressions yet, except to say that it
> really drives like a car. Build quality seems as good as, or slightly
> better, than my 2006 Sonata. Oh, and the cup holders are plentiful and
> well-designed :-)
>
> On the negative side, I now own two vehicles (or make payments on two
> vehicles) that get worse mileage than the two they replaced. Kind of a
> step backwards. But with a somewhat rapidly expanding family, I think
> it was a more energy-efficient choice than buying some other vehicles on
> the market.
>
> Well, more impressions to follow....once we figure out all the damned
> buttons :-)
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

Eric G. on his post about his brand new Entourage (which he got a GREAT
price), said: "Well, more impressions to follow....once we figure out all
the damned buttons."
:-) ......

I thought figuring out the buttons was always the fun part of a new vehicle.
Kind of like that Bud Light commercial from years ago with the guy claiming
to be a doctor playing around with all the buttons inside a limousine.

Hey, enjoy. And, especially after break-in, keep us posted what kind of
fuel mileage it's getting.

Tom Wenndt



"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
news:Xns97E43F3D71EC0Xz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ...
> My dealer is having a special this month. They are offering 30% off
> every Hyundai in stock. The 30% is off the dealer markup sticker and
> NOT the Hyundai sticker.
>
> When I got to the dealer, and expressed my interest in an Entourage SE,
> all of a sudden the 30% off had exclusions, and one of them was the
> Entourage. Only 10% off, plus the $1500 rebate from Hyundai.
>
> It took me threatening legal action, since the radio commercial has
> clearly NO exceptions mentioned, but I did get my 30% off.
>
> Anyway, sticker was $29,890. Dealer sticker was $32,885 after $2995 for
> pin striping and door guards (what a joke). Wound up paying just south
> of $21,000. After taxes and tags, trading in our 2002 Elantra, and
> $5,000 down, we financed around $12,000.
>
> We wound up with a blue SE with the ~$3000 DVD/entertainment package.
> Let me say that we were really looking to buy the GLS with the small
> option package (no DVD and a ton of other stuff we didn't need or really
> want), but without even one of them on the lot, they were unwilling to
> negotiate on getting one that way.
>
> I can't really offer too many impressions yet, except to say that it
> really drives like a car. Build quality seems as good as, or slightly
> better, than my 2006 Sonata. Oh, and the cup holders are plentiful and
> well-designed :-)
>
> On the negative side, I now own two vehicles (or make payments on two
> vehicles) that get worse mileage than the two they replaced. Kind of a
> step backwards. But with a somewhat rapidly expanding family, I think
> it was a more energy-efficient choice than buying some other vehicles on
> the market.
>
> Well, more impressions to follow....once we figure out all the damned
> buttons :-)
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

Eric G. on his post about his brand new Entourage (which he got a GREAT
price), said: "Well, more impressions to follow....once we figure out all
the damned buttons."
:-) ......

I thought figuring out the buttons was always the fun part of a new vehicle.
Kind of like that Bud Light commercial from years ago with the guy claiming
to be a doctor playing around with all the buttons inside a limousine.

Hey, enjoy. And, especially after break-in, keep us posted what kind of
fuel mileage it's getting.

Tom Wenndt



"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
news:Xns97E43F3D71EC0Xz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ...
> My dealer is having a special this month. They are offering 30% off
> every Hyundai in stock. The 30% is off the dealer markup sticker and
> NOT the Hyundai sticker.
>
> When I got to the dealer, and expressed my interest in an Entourage SE,
> all of a sudden the 30% off had exclusions, and one of them was the
> Entourage. Only 10% off, plus the $1500 rebate from Hyundai.
>
> It took me threatening legal action, since the radio commercial has
> clearly NO exceptions mentioned, but I did get my 30% off.
>
> Anyway, sticker was $29,890. Dealer sticker was $32,885 after $2995 for
> pin striping and door guards (what a joke). Wound up paying just south
> of $21,000. After taxes and tags, trading in our 2002 Elantra, and
> $5,000 down, we financed around $12,000.
>
> We wound up with a blue SE with the ~$3000 DVD/entertainment package.
> Let me say that we were really looking to buy the GLS with the small
> option package (no DVD and a ton of other stuff we didn't need or really
> want), but without even one of them on the lot, they were unwilling to
> negotiate on getting one that way.
>
> I can't really offer too many impressions yet, except to say that it
> really drives like a car. Build quality seems as good as, or slightly
> better, than my 2006 Sonata. Oh, and the cup holders are plentiful and
> well-designed :-)
>
> On the negative side, I now own two vehicles (or make payments on two
> vehicles) that get worse mileage than the two they replaced. Kind of a
> step backwards. But with a somewhat rapidly expanding family, I think
> it was a more energy-efficient choice than buying some other vehicles on
> the market.
>
> Well, more impressions to follow....once we figure out all the damned
> buttons :-)
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in
news:e6udu80102l@enews2.newsguy.com:

> Eric G. on his post about his brand new Entourage (which he got a
> GREAT price), said: "Well, more impressions to follow....once we
> figure out all the damned buttons."
>:-) ......
>
> I thought figuring out the buttons was always the fun part of a new
> vehicle. Kind of like that Bud Light commercial from years ago with
> the guy claiming to be a doctor playing around with all the buttons
> inside a limousine.
>
> Hey, enjoy. And, especially after break-in, keep us posted what kind
> of fuel mileage it's getting.
>
> Tom Wenndt

You're right about that. Figuring out *most* of the buttons will be fun.
But last night, while I had about 10 minutes to "experiment", the damned
sliding doors would not open automatically. I thought for sure something
was broken until I looked in the manual (always a last resort) and found
that there is an unlabeled button, located on the overhead console, near
the rear-view mirror, that apparently turns off the automatic doors. And
man, are those doors heavy to open manually.

With the amount of buttons, and the fact that this will be my wife's
primary driver, I may personally never figure them all out!!

Eric

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in
news:e6udu80102l@enews2.newsguy.com:

> Eric G. on his post about his brand new Entourage (which he got a
> GREAT price), said: "Well, more impressions to follow....once we
> figure out all the damned buttons."
>:-) ......
>
> I thought figuring out the buttons was always the fun part of a new
> vehicle. Kind of like that Bud Light commercial from years ago with
> the guy claiming to be a doctor playing around with all the buttons
> inside a limousine.
>
> Hey, enjoy. And, especially after break-in, keep us posted what kind
> of fuel mileage it's getting.
>
> Tom Wenndt

You're right about that. Figuring out *most* of the buttons will be fun.
But last night, while I had about 10 minutes to "experiment", the damned
sliding doors would not open automatically. I thought for sure something
was broken until I looked in the manual (always a last resort) and found
that there is an unlabeled button, located on the overhead console, near
the rear-view mirror, that apparently turns off the automatic doors. And
man, are those doors heavy to open manually.

With the amount of buttons, and the fact that this will be my wife's
primary driver, I may personally never figure them all out!!

Eric

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in
news:e6udu80102l@enews2.newsguy.com:

> Eric G. on his post about his brand new Entourage (which he got a
> GREAT price), said: "Well, more impressions to follow....once we
> figure out all the damned buttons."
>:-) ......
>
> I thought figuring out the buttons was always the fun part of a new
> vehicle. Kind of like that Bud Light commercial from years ago with
> the guy claiming to be a doctor playing around with all the buttons
> inside a limousine.
>
> Hey, enjoy. And, especially after break-in, keep us posted what kind
> of fuel mileage it's getting.
>
> Tom Wenndt

You're right about that. Figuring out *most* of the buttons will be fun.
But last night, while I had about 10 minutes to "experiment", the damned
sliding doors would not open automatically. I thought for sure something
was broken until I looked in the manual (always a last resort) and found
that there is an unlabeled button, located on the overhead console, near
the rear-view mirror, that apparently turns off the automatic doors. And
man, are those doors heavy to open manually.

With the amount of buttons, and the fact that this will be my wife's
primary driver, I may personally never figure them all out!!

Eric

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

Eric G. wrote:

> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in
> news:e6udu80102l@enews2.newsguy.com:
>
>
>>Eric G. on his post about his brand new Entourage (which he got a
>>GREAT price), said: "Well, more impressions to follow....once we
>>figure out all the damned buttons."
>>:-) ......
>>
>>I thought figuring out the buttons was always the fun part of a new
>>vehicle. Kind of like that Bud Light commercial from years ago with
>>the guy claiming to be a doctor playing around with all the buttons
>>inside a limousine.
>>
>>Hey, enjoy. And, especially after break-in, keep us posted what kind
>>of fuel mileage it's getting.
>>
>>Tom Wenndt
>
>
> You're right about that. Figuring out *most* of the buttons will be fun.
> But last night, while I had about 10 minutes to "experiment", the damned
> sliding doors would not open automatically. I thought for sure something
> was broken until I looked in the manual (always a last resort) and found
> that there is an unlabeled button, located on the overhead console, near
> the rear-view mirror, that apparently turns off the automatic doors. And
> man, are those doors heavy to open manually.
>
> With the amount of buttons, and the fact that this will be my wife's
> primary driver, I may personally never figure them all out!!

Just hope they keep on working. I'm always worried with all of the new
gadgets on new vehicles.

Matt

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

Eric G. wrote:

> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in
> news:e6udu80102l@enews2.newsguy.com:
>
>
>>Eric G. on his post about his brand new Entourage (which he got a
>>GREAT price), said: "Well, more impressions to follow....once we
>>figure out all the damned buttons."
>>:-) ......
>>
>>I thought figuring out the buttons was always the fun part of a new
>>vehicle. Kind of like that Bud Light commercial from years ago with
>>the guy claiming to be a doctor playing around with all the buttons
>>inside a limousine.
>>
>>Hey, enjoy. And, especially after break-in, keep us posted what kind
>>of fuel mileage it's getting.
>>
>>Tom Wenndt
>
>
> You're right about that. Figuring out *most* of the buttons will be fun.
> But last night, while I had about 10 minutes to "experiment", the damned
> sliding doors would not open automatically. I thought for sure something
> was broken until I looked in the manual (always a last resort) and found
> that there is an unlabeled button, located on the overhead console, near
> the rear-view mirror, that apparently turns off the automatic doors. And
> man, are those doors heavy to open manually.
>
> With the amount of buttons, and the fact that this will be my wife's
> primary driver, I may personally never figure them all out!!

Just hope they keep on working. I'm always worried with all of the new
gadgets on new vehicles.

Matt

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

Eric G. wrote:

> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in
> news:e6udu80102l@enews2.newsguy.com:
>
>
>>Eric G. on his post about his brand new Entourage (which he got a
>>GREAT price), said: "Well, more impressions to follow....once we
>>figure out all the damned buttons."
>>:-) ......
>>
>>I thought figuring out the buttons was always the fun part of a new
>>vehicle. Kind of like that Bud Light commercial from years ago with
>>the guy claiming to be a doctor playing around with all the buttons
>>inside a limousine.
>>
>>Hey, enjoy. And, especially after break-in, keep us posted what kind
>>of fuel mileage it's getting.
>>
>>Tom Wenndt
>
>
> You're right about that. Figuring out *most* of the buttons will be fun.
> But last night, while I had about 10 minutes to "experiment", the damned
> sliding doors would not open automatically. I thought for sure something
> was broken until I looked in the manual (always a last resort) and found
> that there is an unlabeled button, located on the overhead console, near
> the rear-view mirror, that apparently turns off the automatic doors. And
> man, are those doors heavy to open manually.
>
> With the amount of buttons, and the fact that this will be my wife's
> primary driver, I may personally never figure them all out!!

Just hope they keep on working. I'm always worried with all of the new
gadgets on new vehicles.

Matt

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

Eric G. wrote:

> When I got to the dealer, and expressed my interest in an Entourage SE,
> all of a sudden the 30% off had exclusions, and one of them was the
> Entourage. Only 10% off, plus the $1500 rebate from Hyundai.
>

I sell Hyundai in the Sacramento CA area... at a dealer that is honest and
has integrity (as do I). You were right to hold your ground and not let
them weasel out of the advertised promo.

In car sales you don't have to be a 'great' salesperson. I'm not great. You
just have to be honest and treat people fairly and not pull stunts like
this. All the other dealers and sales guys/gals think that this is the only
way to sell so the few dealers (of all brands) and salespeople who practice
honesty and integrity sell lots of cars. People WANT to buy... but they
HATE to be sold.

Good for you for standing up and getting the deal you came in to get. You
would not have had to do it with me or at my store, but there are a lot of
not-so-terrific dealers and salespeople still in the Hyundai franchise...
but Hyundai to its credit takes the CSI survey seriously so make sure you
fill it in and make the complaint. Hyundai pays a bonus to sales people who
have excellent CSI scores and you can bet they will take action on your
issue if you spell it out.

AC
"A nice Jewish boy... selling cars... with honesty and integrity"

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

Eric G. wrote:

> When I got to the dealer, and expressed my interest in an Entourage SE,
> all of a sudden the 30% off had exclusions, and one of them was the
> Entourage. Only 10% off, plus the $1500 rebate from Hyundai.
>

I sell Hyundai in the Sacramento CA area... at a dealer that is honest and
has integrity (as do I). You were right to hold your ground and not let
them weasel out of the advertised promo.

In car sales you don't have to be a 'great' salesperson. I'm not great. You
just have to be honest and treat people fairly and not pull stunts like
this. All the other dealers and sales guys/gals think that this is the only
way to sell so the few dealers (of all brands) and salespeople who practice
honesty and integrity sell lots of cars. People WANT to buy... but they
HATE to be sold.

Good for you for standing up and getting the deal you came in to get. You
would not have had to do it with me or at my store, but there are a lot of
not-so-terrific dealers and salespeople still in the Hyundai franchise...
but Hyundai to its credit takes the CSI survey seriously so make sure you
fill it in and make the complaint. Hyundai pays a bonus to sales people who
have excellent CSI scores and you can bet they will take action on your
issue if you spell it out.

AC
"A nice Jewish boy... selling cars... with honesty and integrity"

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

Eric G. wrote:

> When I got to the dealer, and expressed my interest in an Entourage SE,
> all of a sudden the 30% off had exclusions, and one of them was the
> Entourage. Only 10% off, plus the $1500 rebate from Hyundai.
>

I sell Hyundai in the Sacramento CA area... at a dealer that is honest and
has integrity (as do I). You were right to hold your ground and not let
them weasel out of the advertised promo.

In car sales you don't have to be a 'great' salesperson. I'm not great. You
just have to be honest and treat people fairly and not pull stunts like
this. All the other dealers and sales guys/gals think that this is the only
way to sell so the few dealers (of all brands) and salespeople who practice
honesty and integrity sell lots of cars. People WANT to buy... but they
HATE to be sold.

Good for you for standing up and getting the deal you came in to get. You
would not have had to do it with me or at my store, but there are a lot of
not-so-terrific dealers and salespeople still in the Hyundai franchise...
but Hyundai to its credit takes the CSI survey seriously so make sure you
fill it in and make the complaint. Hyundai pays a bonus to sales people who
have excellent CSI scores and you can bet they will take action on your
issue if you spell it out.

AC
"A nice Jewish boy... selling cars... with honesty and integrity"

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

"A.C." <nicejewishboysellscars@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:BOBkg.148531$F_3.62179@newssvr29.news.prodigy .net:

> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> When I got to the dealer, and expressed my interest in an Entourage
>> SE, all of a sudden the 30% off had exclusions, and one of them was
>> the Entourage. Only 10% off, plus the $1500 rebate from Hyundai.
>>
>
> I sell Hyundai in the Sacramento CA area... at a dealer that is honest
> and has integrity (as do I). You were right to hold your ground and
> not let them weasel out of the advertised promo.
>
> In car sales you don't have to be a 'great' salesperson. I'm not
> great. You just have to be honest and treat people fairly and not pull
> stunts like this. All the other dealers and sales guys/gals think that
> this is the only way to sell so the few dealers (of all brands) and
> salespeople who practice honesty and integrity sell lots of cars.
> People WANT to buy... but they HATE to be sold.
>
> Good for you for standing up and getting the deal you came in to get.
> You would not have had to do it with me or at my store, but there are
> a lot of not-so-terrific dealers and salespeople still in the Hyundai
> franchise... but Hyundai to its credit takes the CSI survey seriously
> so make sure you fill it in and make the complaint. Hyundai pays a
> bonus to sales people who have excellent CSI scores and you can bet
> they will take action on your issue if you spell it out.
>
> AC
> "A nice Jewish boy... selling cars... with honesty and integrity"

Thanks for your reply. This is the sixth car I personally have
purchased from this dealer since 1997 and the 11th I have been
responsible for. Up to this point, they have been nothing but honest
and fair with me. I have already emailed the owner, who I have known
from day one, about my experience. And since it is his voice on the
radio commercial, I hold him personally responsible. He did apologize
to me, but I really have a different feeling from him now. Maybe his
"bottom line" has changed and he is resorting to these tricks, but there
is no excuse for that kind of treatment. Especially for a repeat
customer like myself.

In all honesty, I'm not sure I would be treated any better at any other
Hyundai dealer, or any other dealer for that matter.

At the end I had a good laugh with the finance guy. I had been show a
computer screen that showed they sold me the car at $2100 BELOW THEIR
COST several times. When I was signing, I made a joke to the guy who
proceeded to show me the same screen. I told him that if he followed me
home, I could show him a screen that said I paid $10,000 less than they
paid. He looked at me and laughed and said that he was quite sure I
could.

The BIG problem I have with the CSI survey is that in this case my
salesman actually did an excellent job. It was his boss and his bosses
boss that were the problem here. I think a bad survey will only hurt
the salesman, or hurt him the most. But I do think that they listen to
the surveys and I will fill it out honestly. To hell with the free oil
change :-)

Eric

Re: New Entourage Owner
 

"A.C." <nicejewishboysellscars@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:BOBkg.148531$F_3.62179@newssvr29.news.prodigy .net:

> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> When I got to the dealer, and expressed my interest in an Entourage
>> SE, all of a sudden the 30% off had exclusions, and one of them was
>> the Entourage. Only 10% off, plus the $1500 rebate from Hyundai.
>>
>
> I sell Hyundai in the Sacramento CA area... at a dealer that is honest
> and has integrity (as do I). You were right to hold your ground and
> not let them weasel out of the advertised promo.
>
> In car sales you don't have to be a 'great' salesperson. I'm not
> great. You just have to be honest and treat people fairly and not pull
> stunts like this. All the other dealers and sales guys/gals think that
> this is the only way to sell so the few dealers (of all brands) and
> salespeople who practice honesty and integrity sell lots of cars.
> People WANT to buy... but they HATE to be sold.
>
> Good for you for standing up and getting the deal you came in to get.
> You would not have had to do it with me or at my store, but there are
> a lot of not-so-terrific dealers and salespeople still in the Hyundai
> franchise... but Hyundai to its credit takes the CSI survey seriously
> so make sure you fill it in and make the complaint. Hyundai pays a
> bonus to sales people who have excellent CSI scores and you can bet
> they will take action on your issue if you spell it out.
>
> AC
> "A nice Jewish boy... selling cars... with honesty and integrity"

Thanks for your reply. This is the sixth car I personally have
purchased from this dealer since 1997 and the 11th I have been
responsible for. Up to this point, they have been nothing but honest
and fair with me. I have already emailed the owner, who I have known
from day one, about my experience. And since it is his voice on the
radio commercial, I hold him personally responsible. He did apologize
to me, but I really have a different feeling from him now. Maybe his
"bottom line" has changed and he is resorting to these tricks, but there
is no excuse for that kind of treatment. Especially for a repeat
customer like myself.

In all honesty, I'm not sure I would be treated any better at any other
Hyundai dealer, or any other dealer for that matter.

At the end I had a good laugh with the finance guy. I had been show a
computer screen that showed they sold me the car at $2100 BELOW THEIR
COST several times. When I was signing, I made a joke to the guy who
proceeded to show me the same screen. I told him that if he followed me
home, I could show him a screen that said I paid $10,000 less than they
paid. He looked at me and laughed and said that he was quite sure I
could.

The BIG problem I have with the CSI survey is that in this case my
salesman actually did an excellent job. It was his boss and his bosses
boss that were the problem here. I think a bad survey will only hurt
the salesman, or hurt him the most. But I do think that they listen to
the surveys and I will fill it out honestly. To hell with the free oil
change :-)

Eric