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Re: Oil Filter price
Bob wrote:
> 5 Quart jug of Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart is usually $20.00. But two, and the > second jug will last you five oil changes at 1 quart per. I've been using > Wal-Mart supertech full synthetic with no problems. That runs between $9 > and $12 for 5 quarts. I just got rid of a 2003 Malibu with 60 K miles on it > that was run since 10k with that in it. I peeked in the valve cover, and it > was very clean, as was the innards of the oil filter mount. No leaks, > either. It's packaged by Warren Performance Products. It is really Quaker > State http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/23945_1.pdf It is odd that Hyundai chose a 6 quart capacity for the new V-6. I wonder of the top-o-the-engine canister filter required more capacity. I'm glad my 4 cylinder uses less that 5 quarts so I can get one change per 5 quart jug. Even the big old American V-8s got by with 5 quarts, at least the ones I remember. :-) Matt |
Re: Oil Filter price
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:RoeFf.5886$lb.516441@news1.epix.net... > Bob wrote: > >> 5 Quart jug of Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart is usually $20.00. But two, and the >> second jug will last you five oil changes at 1 quart per. I've been using >> Wal-Mart supertech full synthetic with no problems. That runs between $9 >> and $12 for 5 quarts. I just got rid of a 2003 Malibu with 60 K miles on >> it that was run since 10k with that in it. I peeked in the valve cover, >> and it was very clean, as was the innards of the oil filter mount. No >> leaks, either. It's packaged by Warren Performance Products. It is really >> Quaker State http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/23945_1.pdf > > It is odd that Hyundai chose a 6 quart capacity for the new V-6. I wonder > of the top-o-the-engine canister filter required more capacity. I'm glad > my 4 cylinder uses less that 5 quarts so I can get one change per 5 quart > jug. Even the big old American V-8s got by with 5 quarts, at least the > ones I remember. :-) > > > Matt A simplistic way to say it, but..... ~20% more oil molecules to break down before you are out of useable molecules can't be a bad thing. I believe that oil wear, and not dirt is the primary reason diesels have so much more oil in them. Another question... Does all the oil drain out of the filter between starts? There doesn't seem to be any check valve like on a normal filter, and it doesn't have any oil in it when you open it. If so, does this mean the engine is starting dry every time? As far as the canister causing the need for more capacity, the total volume of it seems to be the same as a normal filter. |
Re: Oil Filter price
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:RoeFf.5886$lb.516441@news1.epix.net... > Bob wrote: > >> 5 Quart jug of Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart is usually $20.00. But two, and the >> second jug will last you five oil changes at 1 quart per. I've been using >> Wal-Mart supertech full synthetic with no problems. That runs between $9 >> and $12 for 5 quarts. I just got rid of a 2003 Malibu with 60 K miles on >> it that was run since 10k with that in it. I peeked in the valve cover, >> and it was very clean, as was the innards of the oil filter mount. No >> leaks, either. It's packaged by Warren Performance Products. It is really >> Quaker State http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/23945_1.pdf > > It is odd that Hyundai chose a 6 quart capacity for the new V-6. I wonder > of the top-o-the-engine canister filter required more capacity. I'm glad > my 4 cylinder uses less that 5 quarts so I can get one change per 5 quart > jug. Even the big old American V-8s got by with 5 quarts, at least the > ones I remember. :-) > > > Matt A simplistic way to say it, but..... ~20% more oil molecules to break down before you are out of useable molecules can't be a bad thing. I believe that oil wear, and not dirt is the primary reason diesels have so much more oil in them. Another question... Does all the oil drain out of the filter between starts? There doesn't seem to be any check valve like on a normal filter, and it doesn't have any oil in it when you open it. If so, does this mean the engine is starting dry every time? As far as the canister causing the need for more capacity, the total volume of it seems to be the same as a normal filter. |
Re: Oil Filter price
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:RoeFf.5886$lb.516441@news1.epix.net... > Bob wrote: > >> 5 Quart jug of Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart is usually $20.00. But two, and the >> second jug will last you five oil changes at 1 quart per. I've been using >> Wal-Mart supertech full synthetic with no problems. That runs between $9 >> and $12 for 5 quarts. I just got rid of a 2003 Malibu with 60 K miles on >> it that was run since 10k with that in it. I peeked in the valve cover, >> and it was very clean, as was the innards of the oil filter mount. No >> leaks, either. It's packaged by Warren Performance Products. It is really >> Quaker State http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/23945_1.pdf > > It is odd that Hyundai chose a 6 quart capacity for the new V-6. I wonder > of the top-o-the-engine canister filter required more capacity. I'm glad > my 4 cylinder uses less that 5 quarts so I can get one change per 5 quart > jug. Even the big old American V-8s got by with 5 quarts, at least the > ones I remember. :-) > > > Matt A simplistic way to say it, but..... ~20% more oil molecules to break down before you are out of useable molecules can't be a bad thing. I believe that oil wear, and not dirt is the primary reason diesels have so much more oil in them. Another question... Does all the oil drain out of the filter between starts? There doesn't seem to be any check valve like on a normal filter, and it doesn't have any oil in it when you open it. If so, does this mean the engine is starting dry every time? As far as the canister causing the need for more capacity, the total volume of it seems to be the same as a normal filter. |
Re: Oil Filter price
Eric G. said: "One thing I did discover at the auto parts stores was that
apparently GM (Chevy to be exact) is also starting to use canister filters on a couple of models. One of them was the same length and OD, but had a smaller ID than mine. Not that I would have used it if it did match, but it was interesting to see other auto makers also going with the canister. That filter was at NAPA and only cost $1 less than the Hyundai filter, but did not have any O-rings in the box (maybe not needed on the Chevy?)."...... GM's increasingly common 2.2 L4 Ecotech engine uses a canister, located on the top of the engine. It DOES use an O-ring, but all of the filters I have purchased already have it pre-assembled into the top of the filter. Once you get used to the idea that it is NOT a spin-on, you start to like replacing this - a lot. Tom Wenndt |
Re: Oil Filter price
Eric G. said: "One thing I did discover at the auto parts stores was that
apparently GM (Chevy to be exact) is also starting to use canister filters on a couple of models. One of them was the same length and OD, but had a smaller ID than mine. Not that I would have used it if it did match, but it was interesting to see other auto makers also going with the canister. That filter was at NAPA and only cost $1 less than the Hyundai filter, but did not have any O-rings in the box (maybe not needed on the Chevy?)."...... GM's increasingly common 2.2 L4 Ecotech engine uses a canister, located on the top of the engine. It DOES use an O-ring, but all of the filters I have purchased already have it pre-assembled into the top of the filter. Once you get used to the idea that it is NOT a spin-on, you start to like replacing this - a lot. Tom Wenndt |
Re: Oil Filter price
Eric G. said: "One thing I did discover at the auto parts stores was that
apparently GM (Chevy to be exact) is also starting to use canister filters on a couple of models. One of them was the same length and OD, but had a smaller ID than mine. Not that I would have used it if it did match, but it was interesting to see other auto makers also going with the canister. That filter was at NAPA and only cost $1 less than the Hyundai filter, but did not have any O-rings in the box (maybe not needed on the Chevy?)."...... GM's increasingly common 2.2 L4 Ecotech engine uses a canister, located on the top of the engine. It DOES use an O-ring, but all of the filters I have purchased already have it pre-assembled into the top of the filter. Once you get used to the idea that it is NOT a spin-on, you start to like replacing this - a lot. Tom Wenndt |
Re: Oil Filter price
Bob wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message > news:RoeFf.5886$lb.516441@news1.epix.net... > >>Bob wrote: >> >> >>>5 Quart jug of Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart is usually $20.00. But two, and the >>>second jug will last you five oil changes at 1 quart per. I've been using >>>Wal-Mart supertech full synthetic with no problems. That runs between $9 >>>and $12 for 5 quarts. I just got rid of a 2003 Malibu with 60 K miles on >>>it that was run since 10k with that in it. I peeked in the valve cover, >>>and it was very clean, as was the innards of the oil filter mount. No >>>leaks, either. It's packaged by Warren Performance Products. It is really >>>Quaker State http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/23945_1.pdf >> >>It is odd that Hyundai chose a 6 quart capacity for the new V-6. I wonder >>of the top-o-the-engine canister filter required more capacity. I'm glad >>my 4 cylinder uses less that 5 quarts so I can get one change per 5 quart >>jug. Even the big old American V-8s got by with 5 quarts, at least the >>ones I remember. :-) >> >> >>Matt > > A simplistic way to say it, but..... ~20% more oil molecules to break down > before you are out of useable molecules can't be a bad thing. I believe that > oil wear, and not dirt is the primary reason diesels have so much more oil > in them. Another question... Does all the oil drain out of the filter > between starts? There doesn't seem to be any check valve like on a normal > filter, and it doesn't have any oil in it when you open it. If so, does this > mean the engine is starting dry every time? As far as the canister causing > the need for more capacity, the total volume of it seems to be the same as a > normal filter. I understand the simplistic answer, I just don't see the need, especially since they didn't go to longer change intervals. My only thought is that the canister system requires more oil. Diesels use more oil because it needs to suspend a lot more particulate matter than a gas engine. Look how black the oil in a diesel gets and how fast it gets black. The fuel is a lot dirtier and more carbon particulate matter is created during combustion. Matt |
Re: Oil Filter price
Bob wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message > news:RoeFf.5886$lb.516441@news1.epix.net... > >>Bob wrote: >> >> >>>5 Quart jug of Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart is usually $20.00. But two, and the >>>second jug will last you five oil changes at 1 quart per. I've been using >>>Wal-Mart supertech full synthetic with no problems. That runs between $9 >>>and $12 for 5 quarts. I just got rid of a 2003 Malibu with 60 K miles on >>>it that was run since 10k with that in it. I peeked in the valve cover, >>>and it was very clean, as was the innards of the oil filter mount. No >>>leaks, either. It's packaged by Warren Performance Products. It is really >>>Quaker State http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/23945_1.pdf >> >>It is odd that Hyundai chose a 6 quart capacity for the new V-6. I wonder >>of the top-o-the-engine canister filter required more capacity. I'm glad >>my 4 cylinder uses less that 5 quarts so I can get one change per 5 quart >>jug. Even the big old American V-8s got by with 5 quarts, at least the >>ones I remember. :-) >> >> >>Matt > > A simplistic way to say it, but..... ~20% more oil molecules to break down > before you are out of useable molecules can't be a bad thing. I believe that > oil wear, and not dirt is the primary reason diesels have so much more oil > in them. Another question... Does all the oil drain out of the filter > between starts? There doesn't seem to be any check valve like on a normal > filter, and it doesn't have any oil in it when you open it. If so, does this > mean the engine is starting dry every time? As far as the canister causing > the need for more capacity, the total volume of it seems to be the same as a > normal filter. I understand the simplistic answer, I just don't see the need, especially since they didn't go to longer change intervals. My only thought is that the canister system requires more oil. Diesels use more oil because it needs to suspend a lot more particulate matter than a gas engine. Look how black the oil in a diesel gets and how fast it gets black. The fuel is a lot dirtier and more carbon particulate matter is created during combustion. Matt |
Re: Oil Filter price
Bob wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message > news:RoeFf.5886$lb.516441@news1.epix.net... > >>Bob wrote: >> >> >>>5 Quart jug of Mobil 1 at Wal-Mart is usually $20.00. But two, and the >>>second jug will last you five oil changes at 1 quart per. I've been using >>>Wal-Mart supertech full synthetic with no problems. That runs between $9 >>>and $12 for 5 quarts. I just got rid of a 2003 Malibu with 60 K miles on >>>it that was run since 10k with that in it. I peeked in the valve cover, >>>and it was very clean, as was the innards of the oil filter mount. No >>>leaks, either. It's packaged by Warren Performance Products. It is really >>>Quaker State http://msds.walmartstores.com/cache/23945_1.pdf >> >>It is odd that Hyundai chose a 6 quart capacity for the new V-6. I wonder >>of the top-o-the-engine canister filter required more capacity. I'm glad >>my 4 cylinder uses less that 5 quarts so I can get one change per 5 quart >>jug. Even the big old American V-8s got by with 5 quarts, at least the >>ones I remember. :-) >> >> >>Matt > > A simplistic way to say it, but..... ~20% more oil molecules to break down > before you are out of useable molecules can't be a bad thing. I believe that > oil wear, and not dirt is the primary reason diesels have so much more oil > in them. Another question... Does all the oil drain out of the filter > between starts? There doesn't seem to be any check valve like on a normal > filter, and it doesn't have any oil in it when you open it. If so, does this > mean the engine is starting dry every time? As far as the canister causing > the need for more capacity, the total volume of it seems to be the same as a > normal filter. I understand the simplistic answer, I just don't see the need, especially since they didn't go to longer change intervals. My only thought is that the canister system requires more oil. Diesels use more oil because it needs to suspend a lot more particulate matter than a gas engine. Look how black the oil in a diesel gets and how fast it gets black. The fuel is a lot dirtier and more carbon particulate matter is created during combustion. Matt |
Re: Oil Filter price
Try https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com
I purchased a case of filters ( 10 ) for my 04 Santa Fe for appox.$45.00 Striker "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message news:Xns97609E50C6B24Xz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ... > OK, I hit 6,000 miles and did my first oil change myself (the first was a > freebie from the dealer where I purchased tha car). > > My dealer wanted $19 for the cartridge filter on the '06 V6 Sonata WITHOUT > the O-rings (wanted another $2 for the 2 O-rings). A total of $21. > > So before purchasing I called another dealer which actually happens to be > closer to my home, but in a pretty bad area. Anyway, they quoted my $6.82 > for the filter AND the O-rings. However, when I got there, we found that > he apparently made a mistake and it was acutally $10.50 for the kit. > Still > much better than the other dealer. He also threw in the washers for the > oil drain plug. I bought two kits from him for less than one would have > cost at the original dealer. > > The oil change was really a piece of cake. I really like the canister > filter. Much easier than having to lay on your back and try to crank the > thing off with a filter wrench. > > The only extra step is working to get the old O-rings off the spindle. > The > tiny one was particularly annoying, but I managed to get it with a pair of > needle nose pliers. Putting the new O-rings on was easy. > > I did need to add a full 6 quarts of Mobil 1 to get it up to the full mark > on the dip stick. It cost me $30 for oil as I was unable to find a sale. > I will be watching the sale fliers in the future and probably buying by > the > case if I can. > > Anyway, just thought I would share. Sorry for the long post. > > Eric |
Re: Oil Filter price
Try https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com
I purchased a case of filters ( 10 ) for my 04 Santa Fe for appox.$45.00 Striker "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message news:Xns97609E50C6B24Xz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ... > OK, I hit 6,000 miles and did my first oil change myself (the first was a > freebie from the dealer where I purchased tha car). > > My dealer wanted $19 for the cartridge filter on the '06 V6 Sonata WITHOUT > the O-rings (wanted another $2 for the 2 O-rings). A total of $21. > > So before purchasing I called another dealer which actually happens to be > closer to my home, but in a pretty bad area. Anyway, they quoted my $6.82 > for the filter AND the O-rings. However, when I got there, we found that > he apparently made a mistake and it was acutally $10.50 for the kit. > Still > much better than the other dealer. He also threw in the washers for the > oil drain plug. I bought two kits from him for less than one would have > cost at the original dealer. > > The oil change was really a piece of cake. I really like the canister > filter. Much easier than having to lay on your back and try to crank the > thing off with a filter wrench. > > The only extra step is working to get the old O-rings off the spindle. > The > tiny one was particularly annoying, but I managed to get it with a pair of > needle nose pliers. Putting the new O-rings on was easy. > > I did need to add a full 6 quarts of Mobil 1 to get it up to the full mark > on the dip stick. It cost me $30 for oil as I was unable to find a sale. > I will be watching the sale fliers in the future and probably buying by > the > case if I can. > > Anyway, just thought I would share. Sorry for the long post. > > Eric |
Re: Oil Filter price
Try https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com
I purchased a case of filters ( 10 ) for my 04 Santa Fe for appox.$45.00 Striker "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message news:Xns97609E50C6B24Xz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ... > OK, I hit 6,000 miles and did my first oil change myself (the first was a > freebie from the dealer where I purchased tha car). > > My dealer wanted $19 for the cartridge filter on the '06 V6 Sonata WITHOUT > the O-rings (wanted another $2 for the 2 O-rings). A total of $21. > > So before purchasing I called another dealer which actually happens to be > closer to my home, but in a pretty bad area. Anyway, they quoted my $6.82 > for the filter AND the O-rings. However, when I got there, we found that > he apparently made a mistake and it was acutally $10.50 for the kit. > Still > much better than the other dealer. He also threw in the washers for the > oil drain plug. I bought two kits from him for less than one would have > cost at the original dealer. > > The oil change was really a piece of cake. I really like the canister > filter. Much easier than having to lay on your back and try to crank the > thing off with a filter wrench. > > The only extra step is working to get the old O-rings off the spindle. > The > tiny one was particularly annoying, but I managed to get it with a pair of > needle nose pliers. Putting the new O-rings on was easy. > > I did need to add a full 6 quarts of Mobil 1 to get it up to the full mark > on the dip stick. It cost me $30 for oil as I was unable to find a sale. > I will be watching the sale fliers in the future and probably buying by > the > case if I can. > > Anyway, just thought I would share. Sorry for the long post. > > Eric |
Re: Oil Filter price
I've noticed that the oil seems to drain out of the canister in a few
minutes. If I pull the car in and immediately remove the top of the canister, I get oil all over the place. But if I drain the oil first, go to parts and get the new oil filter, then return, finish on the bottom of the car and remove the top of the canister, it's empty. |
Re: Oil Filter price
I've noticed that the oil seems to drain out of the canister in a few
minutes. If I pull the car in and immediately remove the top of the canister, I get oil all over the place. But if I drain the oil first, go to parts and get the new oil filter, then return, finish on the bottom of the car and remove the top of the canister, it's empty. |
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