Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Smooth Boi" <slendersmooth21@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> thanks for the info.Yes the engine light is on,the gas mileage has
> dropped[despite tune up],and there's a strong smell of gasoline from the
> car.
>
If you smell gasoline, it IS NOT the oxygen sensor. The difference from a
bad oxygen sensor will show up on a HC analyzer. The PCM will not just start
dumping gas into the cylinders. I'd suggest that you have someone
knowledgeable look at the vehicle, and figure out where the gas leak is
that's bad enough that it's affecting your mileage. It could be a leaky
injector, or many other things. If you smell gasoline, you are literally
sitting on a disaster waiting to happen.

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:A4BEf.70719$C%3.9495@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> "Smooth Boi" <slendersmooth21@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:20849-43E2C85E-1884@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
> > thanks for the info.Yes the engine light is on,the gas mileage has
> > dropped[despite tune up],and there's a strong smell of gasoline from the
> > car.
> >
> If you smell gasoline, it IS NOT the oxygen sensor. The difference from a
> bad oxygen sensor will show up on a HC analyzer. The PCM will not just
start
> dumping gas into the cylinders. I'd suggest that you have someone
> knowledgeable look at the vehicle, and figure out where the gas leak is
> that's bad enough that it's affecting your mileage. It could be a leaky
> injector, or many other things. If you smell gasoline, you are literally
> sitting on a disaster waiting to happen.
>
>

Agreed, with the additional comment that if there is a strong smell of
gasoline, you should be able to see it. A car that is simply running rich
does not smell like gasoline. The only thing that smells like gasoline is,
well... gasoline - as in a leak.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:A4BEf.70719$C%3.9495@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> "Smooth Boi" <slendersmooth21@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:20849-43E2C85E-1884@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
> > thanks for the info.Yes the engine light is on,the gas mileage has
> > dropped[despite tune up],and there's a strong smell of gasoline from the
> > car.
> >
> If you smell gasoline, it IS NOT the oxygen sensor. The difference from a
> bad oxygen sensor will show up on a HC analyzer. The PCM will not just
start
> dumping gas into the cylinders. I'd suggest that you have someone
> knowledgeable look at the vehicle, and figure out where the gas leak is
> that's bad enough that it's affecting your mileage. It could be a leaky
> injector, or many other things. If you smell gasoline, you are literally
> sitting on a disaster waiting to happen.
>
>

Agreed, with the additional comment that if there is a strong smell of
gasoline, you should be able to see it. A car that is simply running rich
does not smell like gasoline. The only thing that smells like gasoline is,
well... gasoline - as in a leak.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:A4BEf.70719$C%3.9495@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> "Smooth Boi" <slendersmooth21@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:20849-43E2C85E-1884@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
> > thanks for the info.Yes the engine light is on,the gas mileage has
> > dropped[despite tune up],and there's a strong smell of gasoline from the
> > car.
> >
> If you smell gasoline, it IS NOT the oxygen sensor. The difference from a
> bad oxygen sensor will show up on a HC analyzer. The PCM will not just
start
> dumping gas into the cylinders. I'd suggest that you have someone
> knowledgeable look at the vehicle, and figure out where the gas leak is
> that's bad enough that it's affecting your mileage. It could be a leaky
> injector, or many other things. If you smell gasoline, you are literally
> sitting on a disaster waiting to happen.
>
>

Agreed, with the additional comment that if there is a strong smell of
gasoline, you should be able to see it. A car that is simply running rich
does not smell like gasoline. The only thing that smells like gasoline is,
well... gasoline - as in a leak.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

maybye check your emissions canister....
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:A4BEf.70719$C%3.9495@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
>>
>> "Smooth Boi" <slendersmooth21@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:20849-43E2C85E-1884@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
>> > thanks for the info.Yes the engine light is on,the gas mileage has
>> > dropped[despite tune up],and there's a strong smell of gasoline from
>> > the
>> > car.
>> >
>> If you smell gasoline, it IS NOT the oxygen sensor. The difference from a
>> bad oxygen sensor will show up on a HC analyzer. The PCM will not just
> start
>> dumping gas into the cylinders. I'd suggest that you have someone
>> knowledgeable look at the vehicle, and figure out where the gas leak is
>> that's bad enough that it's affecting your mileage. It could be a leaky
>> injector, or many other things. If you smell gasoline, you are literally
>> sitting on a disaster waiting to happen.
>>
>>
>
> Agreed, with the additional comment that if there is a strong smell of
> gasoline, you should be able to see it. A car that is simply running rich
> does not smell like gasoline. The only thing that smells like gasoline
> is,
> well... gasoline - as in a leak.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

maybye check your emissions canister....
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:46733$43e36691$452896b0$18276@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:A4BEf.70719$C%3.9495@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
>>
>> "Smooth Boi" <slendersmooth21@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:20849-43E2C85E-1884@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
>> > thanks for the info.Yes the engine light is on,the gas mileage has
>> > dropped[despite tune up],and there's a strong smell of gasoline from
>> > the
>> > car.
>> >
>> If you smell gasoline, it IS NOT the oxygen sensor. The difference from a
>> bad oxygen sensor will show up on a HC analyzer. The PCM will not just
> start
>> dumping gas into the cylinders. I'd suggest that you have someone
>> knowledgeable look at the vehicle, and figure out where the gas leak is
>> that's bad enough that it's affecting your mileage. It could be a leaky
>> injector, or many other things. If you smell gasoline, you are literally
>> sitting on a disaster waiting to happen.
>>
>>
>
> Agreed, with the additional comment that if there is a strong smell of
> gasoline, you should be able to see it. A car that is simply running rich
> does not smell like gasoline. The only thing that smells like gasoline
> is,
> well... gasoline - as in a leak.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

maybye check your emissions canister....
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:46733$43e36691$452896b0$18276@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:A4BEf.70719$C%3.9495@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
>>
>> "Smooth Boi" <slendersmooth21@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:20849-43E2C85E-1884@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
>> > thanks for the info.Yes the engine light is on,the gas mileage has
>> > dropped[despite tune up],and there's a strong smell of gasoline from
>> > the
>> > car.
>> >
>> If you smell gasoline, it IS NOT the oxygen sensor. The difference from a
>> bad oxygen sensor will show up on a HC analyzer. The PCM will not just
> start
>> dumping gas into the cylinders. I'd suggest that you have someone
>> knowledgeable look at the vehicle, and figure out where the gas leak is
>> that's bad enough that it's affecting your mileage. It could be a leaky
>> injector, or many other things. If you smell gasoline, you are literally
>> sitting on a disaster waiting to happen.
>>
>>
>
> Agreed, with the additional comment that if there is a strong smell of
> gasoline, you should be able to see it. A car that is simply running rich
> does not smell like gasoline. The only thing that smells like gasoline
> is,
> well... gasoline - as in a leak.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:b9a0b$43e1ffe4$452896b0$14270@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> Are you getting an Check Engine light? O2 sensors aren't replaced based
> on
> time or mileage, only when they fail.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
Unbelievably, they - three of them - are required to be replaced on the 2006
Sonata at 45,000 mile intervals to the tune of $321 + labor unless you do it
yourself. It is an emissions warranty requirement. I just found that little
gem today on the Hyundai website.
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/owners/myh...cerecords.aspx
It's not in the required maintenance section of the owners manual, so I
don't know if they can actually enforce it.

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:b9a0b$43e1ffe4$452896b0$14270@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> Are you getting an Check Engine light? O2 sensors aren't replaced based
> on
> time or mileage, only when they fail.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
Unbelievably, they - three of them - are required to be replaced on the 2006
Sonata at 45,000 mile intervals to the tune of $321 + labor unless you do it
yourself. It is an emissions warranty requirement. I just found that little
gem today on the Hyundai website.
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/owners/myh...cerecords.aspx
It's not in the required maintenance section of the owners manual, so I
don't know if they can actually enforce it.

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:b9a0b$43e1ffe4$452896b0$14270@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> Are you getting an Check Engine light? O2 sensors aren't replaced based
> on
> time or mileage, only when they fail.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
Unbelievably, they - three of them - are required to be replaced on the 2006
Sonata at 45,000 mile intervals to the tune of $321 + labor unless you do it
yourself. It is an emissions warranty requirement. I just found that little
gem today on the Hyundai website.
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/owners/myh...cerecords.aspx
It's not in the required maintenance section of the owners manual, so I
don't know if they can actually enforce it.

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4gqFf.20865$vp6.14929@bignews6.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:b9a0b$43e1ffe4$452896b0$14270@ALLTEL.NET...
> >
> > Are you getting an Check Engine light? O2 sensors aren't replaced based
> > on
> > time or mileage, only when they fail.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Mike-
> > mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
> >
> Unbelievably, they - three of them - are required to be replaced on the
2006
> Sonata at 45,000 mile intervals to the tune of $321 + labor unless you do
it
> yourself. It is an emissions warranty requirement. I just found that
little
> gem today on the Hyundai website.
>
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/owners/myh...cerecords.aspx
> It's not in the required maintenance section of the owners manual, so I
> don't know if they can actually enforce it.
>
>

Man. That's a pain. I currently own my first Hyundai ('04 Sonata) and I
like the car - should say my wife likes *her* car. I know this only applies
to the'06, but it seems there's an increasing number of not-so-routine
things being required by Hyundai to maintain the warranty. Some things I
can understand, like the timing belt, although a chain would have made that
a moot point. At some point though, the maintenance being mandated by
Hyundai in order to keep the car under warranty coverage is going to hit the
point that it's more expensive to keep the warranty up than to repair any
other car.

O2 sensors should never be a warranty requirement. They don't fail at
alarming rates in cars today and Hyundai should be able to put sensors in
that are as reliable as any other manufacturer. In all of my years of
driving cars that are equipped with O2 sensors, I have only had to replace
one, and that was back in the early years.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4gqFf.20865$vp6.14929@bignews6.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:b9a0b$43e1ffe4$452896b0$14270@ALLTEL.NET...
> >
> > Are you getting an Check Engine light? O2 sensors aren't replaced based
> > on
> > time or mileage, only when they fail.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Mike-
> > mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
> >
> Unbelievably, they - three of them - are required to be replaced on the
2006
> Sonata at 45,000 mile intervals to the tune of $321 + labor unless you do
it
> yourself. It is an emissions warranty requirement. I just found that
little
> gem today on the Hyundai website.
>
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/owners/myh...cerecords.aspx
> It's not in the required maintenance section of the owners manual, so I
> don't know if they can actually enforce it.
>
>

Man. That's a pain. I currently own my first Hyundai ('04 Sonata) and I
like the car - should say my wife likes *her* car. I know this only applies
to the'06, but it seems there's an increasing number of not-so-routine
things being required by Hyundai to maintain the warranty. Some things I
can understand, like the timing belt, although a chain would have made that
a moot point. At some point though, the maintenance being mandated by
Hyundai in order to keep the car under warranty coverage is going to hit the
point that it's more expensive to keep the warranty up than to repair any
other car.

O2 sensors should never be a warranty requirement. They don't fail at
alarming rates in cars today and Hyundai should be able to put sensors in
that are as reliable as any other manufacturer. In all of my years of
driving cars that are equipped with O2 sensors, I have only had to replace
one, and that was back in the early years.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4gqFf.20865$vp6.14929@bignews6.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:b9a0b$43e1ffe4$452896b0$14270@ALLTEL.NET...
> >
> > Are you getting an Check Engine light? O2 sensors aren't replaced based
> > on
> > time or mileage, only when they fail.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Mike-
> > mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
> >
> Unbelievably, they - three of them - are required to be replaced on the
2006
> Sonata at 45,000 mile intervals to the tune of $321 + labor unless you do
it
> yourself. It is an emissions warranty requirement. I just found that
little
> gem today on the Hyundai website.
>
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/owners/myh...cerecords.aspx
> It's not in the required maintenance section of the owners manual, so I
> don't know if they can actually enforce it.
>
>

Man. That's a pain. I currently own my first Hyundai ('04 Sonata) and I
like the car - should say my wife likes *her* car. I know this only applies
to the'06, but it seems there's an increasing number of not-so-routine
things being required by Hyundai to maintain the warranty. Some things I
can understand, like the timing belt, although a chain would have made that
a moot point. At some point though, the maintenance being mandated by
Hyundai in order to keep the car under warranty coverage is going to hit the
point that it's more expensive to keep the warranty up than to repair any
other car.

O2 sensors should never be a warranty requirement. They don't fail at
alarming rates in cars today and Hyundai should be able to put sensors in
that are as reliable as any other manufacturer. In all of my years of
driving cars that are equipped with O2 sensors, I have only had to replace
one, and that was back in the early years.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

Mike Marlow wrote:

> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:4gqFf.20865$vp6.14929@bignews6.bellsouth.net. ..
>
>>"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
>>news:b9a0b$43e1ffe4$452896b0$14270@ALLTEL.NET. ..
>>
>>>Are you getting an Check Engine light? O2 sensors aren't replaced based
>>>on
>>>time or mileage, only when they fail.
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>-Mike-
>>>mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>>>
>>
>>Unbelievably, they - three of them - are required to be replaced on the
>
> 2006
>
>>Sonata at 45,000 mile intervals to the tune of $321 + labor unless you do
>
> it
>
>>yourself. It is an emissions warranty requirement. I just found that
>
> little
>
>>gem today on the Hyundai website.
>>
>
> http://www.hyundaiusa.com/owners/myh...cerecords.aspx
>
>>It's not in the required maintenance section of the owners manual, so I
>>don't know if they can actually enforce it.
>>
>>
>
>
> Man. That's a pain. I currently own my first Hyundai ('04 Sonata) and I
> like the car - should say my wife likes *her* car. I know this only applies
> to the'06, but it seems there's an increasing number of not-so-routine
> things being required by Hyundai to maintain the warranty. Some things I
> can understand, like the timing belt, although a chain would have made that
> a moot point. At some point though, the maintenance being mandated by
> Hyundai in order to keep the car under warranty coverage is going to hit the
> point that it's more expensive to keep the warranty up than to repair any
> other car.
>
> O2 sensors should never be a warranty requirement. They don't fail at
> alarming rates in cars today and Hyundai should be able to put sensors in
> that are as reliable as any other manufacturer. In all of my years of
> driving cars that are equipped with O2 sensors, I have only had to replace
> one, and that was back in the early years.
>

I agree. I keep my maintence records in Excel and when I added in all
of the Hyundai required items, the list was nearly twice as long as my
Chevy truck and Dodge minivan. This 100,000 mile warranty may be a lot
more costly than meets the eye.

Matt

Re: replacing oxygen sensor 99 accent
 

Mike Marlow wrote:

> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:4gqFf.20865$vp6.14929@bignews6.bellsouth.net. ..
>
>>"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
>>news:b9a0b$43e1ffe4$452896b0$14270@ALLTEL.NET. ..
>>
>>>Are you getting an Check Engine light? O2 sensors aren't replaced based
>>>on
>>>time or mileage, only when they fail.
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>-Mike-
>>>mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>>>
>>
>>Unbelievably, they - three of them - are required to be replaced on the
>
> 2006
>
>>Sonata at 45,000 mile intervals to the tune of $321 + labor unless you do
>
> it
>
>>yourself. It is an emissions warranty requirement. I just found that
>
> little
>
>>gem today on the Hyundai website.
>>
>
> http://www.hyundaiusa.com/owners/myh...cerecords.aspx
>
>>It's not in the required maintenance section of the owners manual, so I
>>don't know if they can actually enforce it.
>>
>>
>
>
> Man. That's a pain. I currently own my first Hyundai ('04 Sonata) and I
> like the car - should say my wife likes *her* car. I know this only applies
> to the'06, but it seems there's an increasing number of not-so-routine
> things being required by Hyundai to maintain the warranty. Some things I
> can understand, like the timing belt, although a chain would have made that
> a moot point. At some point though, the maintenance being mandated by
> Hyundai in order to keep the car under warranty coverage is going to hit the
> point that it's more expensive to keep the warranty up than to repair any
> other car.
>
> O2 sensors should never be a warranty requirement. They don't fail at
> alarming rates in cars today and Hyundai should be able to put sensors in
> that are as reliable as any other manufacturer. In all of my years of
> driving cars that are equipped with O2 sensors, I have only had to replace
> one, and that was back in the early years.
>

I agree. I keep my maintence records in Excel and when I added in all
of the Hyundai required items, the list was nearly twice as long as my
Chevy truck and Dodge minivan. This 100,000 mile warranty may be a lot
more costly than meets the eye.

Matt