Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

Actually, I posted in Hyundai, Kia, and anything GM with the probable
exception of Cadillac. I was mainly posting there because those were my
areas of experience. In August, 2003, I moved from an Olds/Kia dealership
to a multifranchise dealership where my primary responsibility was
diagnosis on the Hyundai product. Olds was similar enought to many other
GM products that I could speak reasonably intelligently about the things
I'd experienced.

GM experience: 3.5 yrs
Kia experience: 6 yrs
Hyundai experience: 9 yrs

It's now been long enough since I've been away from GM and Kia that I
can't speak as to their new models. Not only did I find that reading and
posting on so many boards took up too much time, I was also finding that I
was able to answer fewer and fewer questions.

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

On 16 Feb 2005 15:55:51 -0800, "theta" <theta00k@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>kaboom wrote:
>> On 16 Feb 2005 14:45:01 -0800, "theta" <theta00k@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >hyundaitech wrote:
>> >> The design specs that would be of interest:
>> >> 1. Maximum flow through oil filter
>> >> 2. Amount of filter material
>> >> 3. Type of filter material
>> >> 4. Smallest particle which filter material will allow to pass
>> >> 5. Pressure at which bypass valve in filter opens
>> >> 6. Presence of anti-drainback valve.
>> >> That's what I can think of off the top of my head.
>> >>
>> >> And off topic, I stopped reading and posting in the GM and Kia
>> >sections
>> >> because I was spending too much time on the newsgroup. I cut it
>back
>> >to
>> >> something more manageable. Are there people in those other groups
>> >who
>> >> desparately need my advice?
>> >
>> >And why Hyundai/Kia/Pontiac newsgroups only until Aug. 2004? Was it
>> >because you were working at a Hyundai/kia/Pontiac-GMC dealership?
>>
>> **Who gives a ? He's here now and he's a great asset to this NG.
>> You sound like a jealous old woman.
>>
>>
>> kaboomie
>
>Could you ask him how he finds tim to post here during working hours if
>he is a full-time working tech? I doubt the service bays have an
>Internet connection.

**Maybe he's a part-time tech or he works odd-ass hours or he does
have internet access at work and he's screwin around. Who knows? He's
not lying or jerking people around here and he knows his stuff. I
don't get why anyone should care.


kaboomie

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

It is up to the readers of my posts whether they wish to believe what I
tell them about myself. I do not post here to give insight into my
personal life. I post here to be of assistance to people who find it
useful.

If you doubt the accuracy of my advice, perhaps you can review the posts
I've made and see what percentage of time I've been reported as correct by
the original poster, and what percentage of time I've been reported as
incorrect. I think I've got a pretty good percentage here. Considering
that I haven't seen the vehicles and that in most cases I'm pretty much
guessing, I would think that would carry some weight, too. Although I
suspect it's not as high as in the Hyundai group, I also suspect my
average was pretty good on the GM and Kia boards. But I don't care enough
to go and find out. If it's that important to you, check the stats and
report back.

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

Self-correction. Sorry. I meant to say the *largest* particle which
will pass through the filter.

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

"theta" <theta00k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> And why Hyundai/Kia/Pontiac newsgroups only until Aug. 2004? Was it
> because you were working at a Hyundai/kia/Pontiac-GMC dealership?


Mr. Theta, (if that is your real name)... may I ask you a question? You seem
to have some sort of grudge against Hyundaitech; can you tell us the reason
for this? I'm just curious, because he seems to know what he's talking
about.

Regards,

Neil

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

hyundaitech wrote:
> It is up to the readers of my posts whether they wish to believe what
I
> tell them about myself. I do not post here to give insight into my
> personal life. I post here to be of assistance to people who find it
> useful.

I don't think so buddy, there are many reasons or should I say
evidences that you're not here for true altruistic reasons.
I know many real-life working techs and they all LOATHE to deal with
shade-tree types. You know damn very well those types, those who come
up with their own diagnosis(parroting whatever people who they think
are credible say on Internet forums)and tell YOU what to do..ha ha..
That's probably the No. 1 reason why we don't see real working techs
post regularly on rec.autos.tech and other auto newsgroups in rec. or
alt. hierarchy. If you ask them to list 10,000 things they'd like to do
in their leisure time after the back-breaking hard day's work, helping
car owners on Usenet wouldn't make the list. and am i gonna believe
you're doing that inbetween repair orders on weekdays at work??????
please...
"hyundaitech", you're not gonna fool me into thinking you come here to
help other people...

There were two real Hyundai techs who I consider came here to really
want to assist Hyundai owners. One posted with real name and the other
was a devout Christian :) They didn't last long...one proof they didn't
come here with a hidden agenda, they just lost interest after a couple
of months...
Now what did they have in common?
They diddn't bother to identify themselves as a Hyundai tech 'cause
they couldn't care less whether other people thought thier opinions
were credible and didn't really give out their diagnosis readily on
scant problem descriptions...stark contrast to your M.O., so obivious
that you're only interested in building up credibility as some kind of
experienced Hyundai tech ...for what purpose?...

Regardless of the motivation, if you are really a 9-year hyundai tech,
you're a ing joke, buddy...
Move to groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai and read every
post i followed up to your replies in the last 6 months. god I love to
see you squirming to come up with some crummy excuses.

BTW, you haven't replaced a cabin air filter in 1999+ Sonata yet?


> If you doubt the accuracy of my advice, perhaps you can review the
posts
> I've made and see what percentage of time I've been reported as
correct by
> the original poster, and what percentage of time I've been reported
as
> incorrect. I think I've got a pretty good percentage here.
Considering
> that I haven't seen the vehicles and that in most cases I'm pretty
much
> guessing, I would think that would carry some weight, too. Although
I
> suspect it's not as high as in the Hyundai group, I also suspect my
> average was pretty good on the GM and Kia boards. But I don't care
enough
> to go and find out. If it's that important to you, check the stats
and
> report back.

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

Considering I'm suffering from this problem (and a marbles-in-the-engine
sound when warmed up) I was hoping this thread might go somewhere.

Now its just another usenet penis war.

Sad.

JS

PS - Hyundaitech, do you happen to work in a town that starts with an N,
third letter is a C, and ends with an S?

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

Is the "marbles in engine" noise constantly present or does it occur only
at certain times, e.g. on acceleration?

Also, what engine do you have in your Santa Fe?

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

hyundaitech wrote:
> Is the "marbles in engine" noise constantly present or does it occur only
> at certain times, e.g. on acceleration?

All times, most noticable at idle - its alarmingly loud. Car otherwise
runs great, decent fuel economy, etc. It 'sounds like' its coming from
the top rear cylinder head,

Noise still exists with the accessory belt removed.

> Also, what engine do you have in your Santa Fe?

2.7/4A/FWD-only.

Hard sound to isolate, sounds like its coming from the rear cylinder
head but that doesn't mean anything...

JS

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

While I'm not necessarily alarmed at the tap on startup, I do find your
description of the noise when warm somewhat disturbing. If you can't
readily identify what type of noise it sounds like (valve tap, etc), then
I'd urge you to take it to be checked.

Although I've not personally experienced this, I've heard reports of small
filters not allowing enough oil to pass. If you think it's worthwhile, you
may wish to change your oil and filter (using a factory filter) and see if
it continues. If you have the factory filter on, then the dealer has
difficulty blaming it on the filter if the noise continues.

I've also seen a couple isolated cases of timing chain wear on the alpha
and beta 4 cylinder dohc engines. Your engine has a similar setup, with a
chain on each head joining the two camshafts. If the chain gets too loose
or worn, it can start slapping the valve cover.

Oh, and I almost forgot. I doubt this is it since it would be on the
front bank, but I've seen a case where the sheet metal shield under the
oil cap has been bent down to where it contacts moving parts on the head.
I surmise this occurs by jamming an oil delivery device into the hole. I
haven't seen this on the 2.7, but I suppose it's possible.

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

Hey all,

Its been about 2 weeks since I started this thread.

Heres an update.
I have mobile 1 oil + the Hyundai filter since the service.

No more tap!
I had the car sit 3-4 days recently, and no Tap!


I doubt the dealer did anything to the car Striker mentioned. You only need
to run it for a few minutes to get the tapping to stop....It was probablly
sitting for a while before they started it.

I have the old filter, and plan to disect it to see if it is a cheap Fram or
lacks the valve.


"theta" <theta00k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> hyundaitech wrote:
>> I'm pretty much in agreement with the dealers' opinions. When you
> turn the
>> engine off, some of the valves remain open, placing a significant
> amount of
>> pressure on the lifters. This pressure on the lifters of the open
> valves
>> over a significant amount of time (days) will actually push some of
> the
>> oil out of the lifter and it will collapse a little bit, resulting in
> the
>> noise you hear. On a start after an overnight sit, I would expect
> the
>> noise to go away after a minute or less. After a several day sit,
>
> No, it shouldn't take that long, "hyundaitech".
>
>>driving
>> a few miles may be necessary. If the noise remains after the times
>> specified above, then I'd think you may have some sort of issue with
> oil
>> delivery to the lifters. Lack of an anti-drainback valve in the
> filter
>> can grossly exaggerate this problem.
>

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

The problem goes away after the engine is running a few minutes.
One or more of the lifters acts as if it is stuck, because there is no
pressure on a cold start.....after sitting for a few days.


Explain the HLA further. Are you saying there is some adjustment for valve
lash?
The dealer said there is no adjustment for the hydralic lifters.......



"theta" <theta00k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> star raider wrote:
>> My Santa Fe has had a very intermittent valve tap.
>> Mostly occurs after car sat for a few days, long weekend.
>> I can start up sounding like the valve will come through the valve
> cover,
>> then quiets down.
>> Does not occur often, and I believe I can feel it as I drive the car.
>>
>> 2 dealers keep making like its nothing, and one even said they have
> heard
>> this on cars just started after shipment or after sitting in lot.
> They are
>> normalizing the problem.
>>
>> They also keep indicating that their oil filter, which has a drain
> back
>> valve it, is significantly different and hold the oil pressure up in
> the
>> hydraulic valves better than any other OEM equiv filter. I'm sure
>
> The "valve" in the oil filter has nothing to do with holding the oil
> pressure up in the hydraulicc lash adjusters(HLA) located way up in the
> cylinder head. It just helps the oil reach the top of the engine
> faster.
>
>> there is
>> some truth to this oil filter theory.
>> but....
>> I have had this tap issue when using the dealer provided Hyundai
> filter, and
>> oil, or those provided from the Jiffy lube type places. So I can
> argue that
>> the Hyundai filter is NOT any better.
>>
>>
>> However. how can any design allow for such random valve tapping
> problem? I
>> can fathom that this is viewed as normal.
>>
>> Is anyone else getting this tapping issue?
>
> Does it happen when the engine is at normal operating temp., idling?
>

Re: Santa Fe 2004 V6 Valve tap
 

I doubt the dealer did anything to the car Striker mentioned. You only need
to run it for a few minutes to get the tapping to stop....It was probablly
sitting for a while before they started it.





I test drove that Santa Fe for about 1/2 hour and the tapping did not go
away also there was a burning smell coming from under the hood. Coating ?
What I said about the dealer doing something to stop the tap, came from a
salesman. Most likely B.S.


Striker
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