Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate
remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? -- Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
I've got an 03 Sonata LX. I drive the car normally 90% of the time
but I also lean into it occasionally. I tend to average about 20-21 mpg. That's mostly "city" driving (35-60 mph, at least 1 stop per mile). When I take longer trips where I can cruise at 75 mph then I tend to get about 25-26 mpg. On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:35:23 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage runs
from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. Bob "Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... > city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? > > -- > Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:35:23 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? My Sonata is the 2000 GLS V6. I get 20-22 City and a top of 28MPG highway. Old_Timer |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
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<mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage runs > from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. > Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. > Bob > > "Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... > > city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate > > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? > > > > -- > > Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 > > You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction that might be correctable? -- Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? I have a 2003 Sonata LX V6. In mostly city driving I get right around 20 mpg. On the highway, driving about 70-75 mph, I've gotten as much as 28 mpg. Cruise control definitely helps the mileage. John -- toneguru_uk-at-yahoo-dot-com |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article ><mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > "BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >> Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage runs >> from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. >> Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. >> Bob >> >> "Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... >> > city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >> > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? >> > >> > -- >> > Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 >> >> > >You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is >there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor >mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction >that might be correctable? It's worth mentioning that I have a K&N Drop-In Filter installed which adds another 0.5-1.0 MPG (depending on how you drive) and another 2-3 HP. As for getting 15.5-18.5 MPG, you're either beating the hell out of that car, driving in 1st and 2nd gear at cruising speeds, or there's something wrong with your car. If you're driving like a normal human being then take that car to the dealer and have them give it a look. |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
In article <h43jvvs4k6ksfl7u9vghvsdo2mpjhgate8@4ax.com>,
Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote: > On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >In article > ><mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > > "BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > > >> Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage runs > >> from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. > >> Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. > >> Bob > >> > >> "Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... > >> > city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate > >> > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 > >> > >> > > > >You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is > >there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor > >mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction > >that might be correctable? > > It's worth mentioning that I have a K&N Drop-In Filter installed which > adds another 0.5-1.0 MPG (depending on how you drive) and another 2-3 > HP. > > As for getting 15.5-18.5 MPG, you're either beating the hell out of > that car, driving in 1st and 2nd gear at cruising speeds, or there's > something wrong with your car. If you're driving like a normal human > being then take that car to the dealer and have them give it a look. Jason, Regarding the K&N drop in filter, I'm unfamiliar with this as I am with anything having to do with the mechanics of a car, but is this something that can be used in any make car? 1) If I should decide against purchasing a Sonata, and go for one of my other two choices (an Accord XLV6 or Altima), can that filter be used and would it be to any significant advantage since, if I'm not mistaken, the HP is higher in those cars than Sonata? 2) If I should decide for a Hyundai XG350, would it be compatible? One of the main reasons I'm leaning away from this car is the reported city mpg of only 17. 3) Are you the same Jason that's active on the misc.consumers NG? Robin -- Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
In article <robinxjoy-462956.08573805012004@news.west.cox.net>, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <h43jvvs4k6ksfl7u9vghvsdo2mpjhgate8@4ax.com>, > Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >In article >> ><mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >> > "BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage runs >> >> from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. >> >> Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> "Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... >> >> > city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >> >> > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is >> >there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor >> >mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction >> >that might be correctable? >> >> It's worth mentioning that I have a K&N Drop-In Filter installed which >> adds another 0.5-1.0 MPG (depending on how you drive) and another 2-3 >> HP. >> >> As for getting 15.5-18.5 MPG, you're either beating the hell out of >> that car, driving in 1st and 2nd gear at cruising speeds, or there's >> something wrong with your car. If you're driving like a normal human >> being then take that car to the dealer and have them give it a look. > >Jason, >Regarding the K&N drop in filter, I'm unfamiliar with this as I am with >anything having to do with the mechanics of a car, but is this something >that can be used in any make car? >1) If I should decide against purchasing a Sonata, and go for one of my >other two choices (an Accord XLV6 or Altima), can that filter be used >and would it be to any significant advantage since, if I'm not mistaken, >the HP is higher in those cars than Sonata? K&N filter will not give any horsepower boost to any Honda, Hyundai or whatever. Please do not use that filter on any car as it passes more contaminants than the OE filter. >2) If I should decide for a Hyundai XG350, would it be compatible? One >of the main reasons I'm leaning away from this car is the reported city >mpg of only 17. >3) Are you the same Jason that's active on the misc.consumers NG? >Robin > |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 08:57:38 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <h43jvvs4k6ksfl7u9vghvsdo2mpjhgate8@4ax.com>, > Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >In article >> ><mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >> > "BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage runs >> >> from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. >> >> Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> "Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... >> >> > city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >> >> > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is >> >there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor >> >mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction >> >that might be correctable? >> >> It's worth mentioning that I have a K&N Drop-In Filter installed which >> adds another 0.5-1.0 MPG (depending on how you drive) and another 2-3 >> HP. >> >> As for getting 15.5-18.5 MPG, you're either beating the hell out of >> that car, driving in 1st and 2nd gear at cruising speeds, or there's >> something wrong with your car. If you're driving like a normal human >> being then take that car to the dealer and have them give it a look. > >Jason, >Regarding the K&N drop in filter, I'm unfamiliar with this as I am with >anything having to do with the mechanics of a car, but is this something >that can be used in any make car? >1) If I should decide against purchasing a Sonata, and go for one of my >other two choices (an Accord XLV6 or Altima), can that filter be used >and would it be to any significant advantage since, if I'm not mistaken, >the HP is higher in those cars than Sonata? >2) If I should decide for a Hyundai XG350, would it be compatible? One >of the main reasons I'm leaning away from this car is the reported city >mpg of only 17. >3) Are you the same Jason that's active on the misc.consumers NG? >Robin 1. The filter I'm talking about is the air filter. K&N makes a part for almost every vehicle so yes, you can get one for the Sonata, XG, or Accord. Most newer cars have very restrictive intake and exhaust systems. The K&N air filter is more free-flowing than the stock factory parts used by most manufacturers. In addition, it is not a disposable filter. It does need to be periodically cleaned but this is a task that only needs to be done every 20-30K miles unless you live in a very dusty area. Less restriction in either the intake and exhaust will add power as well as gas mileage. 2. The filters will, most likely, not be identical so you would need to decide on what vehicle you are going to get before you buy the filter. You can check on the needed part number @ the K&N web site (http://www.knfilters.com). 3. No, the only other NG I frequent is alt.os.linux.gentoo. I do, however, frequent several online message boards: [H]ard|Forum for tech stuff, HyundaiPerformance, HyundaiAftermarket, NewTiburon, and SonataSpeed for Hyundai stuff. |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:04:42 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>In article <robinxjoy-462956.08573805012004@news.west.cox.net>, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>In article <h43jvvs4k6ksfl7u9vghvsdo2mpjhgate8@4ax.com>, >> Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> >In article >>> ><mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >>> > "BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage runs >>> >> from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. >>> >> Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. >>> >> Bob >>> >> >>> >> "Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> >> news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... >>> >> > city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >>> >> > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is >>> >there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor >>> >mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction >>> >that might be correctable? >>> >>> It's worth mentioning that I have a K&N Drop-In Filter installed which >>> adds another 0.5-1.0 MPG (depending on how you drive) and another 2-3 >>> HP. >>> >>> As for getting 15.5-18.5 MPG, you're either beating the hell out of >>> that car, driving in 1st and 2nd gear at cruising speeds, or there's >>> something wrong with your car. If you're driving like a normal human >>> being then take that car to the dealer and have them give it a look. >> >>Jason, >>Regarding the K&N drop in filter, I'm unfamiliar with this as I am with >>anything having to do with the mechanics of a car, but is this something >>that can be used in any make car? >>1) If I should decide against purchasing a Sonata, and go for one of my >>other two choices (an Accord XLV6 or Altima), can that filter be used >>and would it be to any significant advantage since, if I'm not mistaken, >>the HP is higher in those cars than Sonata? > >K&N filter will not give any horsepower boost to any Honda, Hyundai or >whatever. Please do not use that filter on any car as it passes more >contaminants than the OE filter. Not true on either count. While it's true that the aftermarket filters you find at PepBoys or AutoZone for $9.99 are crap, K&N filters are race tested and are recommended by everyone who knows anything about automobiles. It's widely known (and easily proved) that reducing restriction in the intake and exhaust systems WILL increase power and WILL increase gas mileage. As for passing more contaminates, than the OE filter, I don't believe it. There is a standardized testing procedure for filtration (SAE J726). Most OE paper filters fall between 93-97%, K&N cotton filters hover between 97-99%. >>2) If I should decide for a Hyundai XG350, would it be compatible? One >>of the main reasons I'm leaning away from this car is the reported city >>mpg of only 17. >>3) Are you the same Jason that's active on the misc.consumers NG? >>Robin >> |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
Jason said the following on 1/5/2004 7:23 PM:
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:04:42 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote: > > >>In article <robinxjoy-462956.08573805012004@news.west.cox.net>, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>In article <h43jvvs4k6ksfl7u9vghvsdo2mpjhgate8@4ax.com>, >>>Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article >>>>><mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >>>>>"BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage runs >>>>>>from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. >>>>>>Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. >>>>>>Bob >>>>>> >>>>>>"Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... >>>>>> >>>>>>>city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >>>>>>>remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is >>>>>there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor >>>>>mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction >>>>>that might be correctable? >>>> >>>>It's worth mentioning that I have a K&N Drop-In Filter installed which >>>>adds another 0.5-1.0 MPG (depending on how you drive) and another 2-3 >>>>HP. >>>> >>>>As for getting 15.5-18.5 MPG, you're either beating the hell out of >>>>that car, driving in 1st and 2nd gear at cruising speeds, or there's >>>>something wrong with your car. If you're driving like a normal human >>>>being then take that car to the dealer and have them give it a look. >>> >>>Jason, >>>Regarding the K&N drop in filter, I'm unfamiliar with this as I am with >>>anything having to do with the mechanics of a car, but is this something >>>that can be used in any make car? >>>1) If I should decide against purchasing a Sonata, and go for one of my >>>other two choices (an Accord XLV6 or Altima), can that filter be used >>>and would it be to any significant advantage since, if I'm not mistaken, >>>the HP is higher in those cars than Sonata? >> >>K&N filter will not give any horsepower boost to any Honda, Hyundai or >>whatever. Please do not use that filter on any car as it passes more >>contaminants than the OE filter. > > > Not true on either count. While it's true that the aftermarket > filters you find at PepBoys or AutoZone for $9.99 are crap, K&N > filters are race tested and are recommended by everyone who knows > anything about automobiles. > > It's widely known (and easily proved) that reducing restriction in the > intake and exhaust systems WILL increase power and WILL increase gas > mileage. > > As for passing more contaminates, than the OE filter, I don't believe > it. There is a standardized testing procedure for filtration (SAE > J726). Most OE paper filters fall between 93-97%, K&N cotton filters > hover between 97-99%. > > >>>2) If I should decide for a Hyundai XG350, would it be compatible? One >>>of the main reasons I'm leaning away from this car is the reported city >>>mpg of only 17. >>>3) Are you the same Jason that's active on the misc.consumers NG? >>>Robin >>> > > Will they void the warranty in any way? I am concerned about this. |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
In article <sfvjvvcf8c9h29sdr4btkh4csanogc0gip@4ax.com>, Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:04:42 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote: > >>In article <robinxjoy-462956.08573805012004@news.west.cox.net>, Robin > <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>In article <h43jvvs4k6ksfl7u9vghvsdo2mpjhgate8@4ax.com>, >>> Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >In article >>>> ><mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >>>> > "BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage > runs >>>> >> from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. >>>> >> Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. >>>> >> Bob >>>> >> >>>> >> "Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> >> news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... >>>> >> > city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >>>> >> > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is >>>> >there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor >>>> >mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction >>>> >that might be correctable? >>>> >>>> It's worth mentioning that I have a K&N Drop-In Filter installed which >>>> adds another 0.5-1.0 MPG (depending on how you drive) and another 2-3 >>>> HP. >>>> >>>> As for getting 15.5-18.5 MPG, you're either beating the hell out of >>>> that car, driving in 1st and 2nd gear at cruising speeds, or there's >>>> something wrong with your car. If you're driving like a normal human >>>> being then take that car to the dealer and have them give it a look. >>> >>>Jason, >>>Regarding the K&N drop in filter, I'm unfamiliar with this as I am with >>>anything having to do with the mechanics of a car, but is this something >>>that can be used in any make car? >>>1) If I should decide against purchasing a Sonata, and go for one of my >>>other two choices (an Accord XLV6 or Altima), can that filter be used >>>and would it be to any significant advantage since, if I'm not mistaken, >>>the HP is higher in those cars than Sonata? >> >>K&N filter will not give any horsepower boost to any Honda, Hyundai or >>whatever. Please do not use that filter on any car as it passes more >>contaminants than the OE filter. > >Not true on either count. While it's true that the aftermarket >filters you find at PepBoys or AutoZone for $9.99 are crap, K&N >filters are race tested and are recommended by everyone who knows >anything about automobiles. > >It's widely known (and easily proved) that reducing restriction in the >intake and exhaust systems WILL increase power and WILL increase gas >mileage. > >As for passing more contaminates, than the OE filter, I don't believe >it. There is a standardized testing procedure for filtration (SAE >J726). Most OE paper filters fall between 93-97%, K&N cotton filters >hover between 97-99%. ================================================== ========== 2000 Toyota Tundra SR5 Engine: 4.7 L / 8 cyl / Gas / DOHC Fuel: Fuel Injection Ignition: Distributorless Trans: 4-speed Automatic Transmission (Electronic) Mileage: 26,434 mi Emissions: OBD-II Compliant VIN: 5TBBT441XYS047306 Symptoms: MIL Lamp on Occurs: Idle More Info: Test results & repair history included below _______________________ CLOSED W/FIX _______________________ hi all thanks for all the replies to this post. i knew all about the maf problems but was glad to hear from all of you about what i suspected all along. the problem wasnt the maf,it was the aftermarket k&n intake system that 'adds horsepower' lol. i compaired the g/s with another tundra that happened to come in the next day and found that at idle the K&N system saw 2g/s less at idle and 4g/s less at 2k rpm. decided to swap maf for fun. maf worked grate in oe intake no problems. ordered up oe intake system installed and drove vehicle fuel trim adjusted its self back to 0. with after market intake too much unmetered air was entering the intake system causing all 4 o2 sensors to show 0v on aceleration. with the suport of the iatn was able to show and convince the customer that the K&N intake dosent alwas help and sometimes cause problems. thanks hugh _____________________ ORIGINAL MESSAGE _____________________ hi all got this tundra in the shop strait from the dealer.well it left the dealer about 400 miles ago.the problem is system too lean fuel trim code.let me tell you what i know about this truck first. i beleave that this is a rich kids truck. customer states that he was off roading in the desert when his aftermarket k$n intake fell off and sucked a bunch of sand in the engine. result daeler installed new engine. customer pay about 11k. now he states that check engine light on with p0171. peformed smoke test to check for vac leak none found. manifold vacuum is 21hg.engine stlii equiped withk$n intake and dealer recomends oe air intake to solve the problem? freez frame data is 692rpm 0mph 192f 11.3load ltftb1&b2=34.4 stftb115.6 b214.8 fuel press normal maf reading 4grm/sec the only other thing to add is that i noticed on the scaner that all 4 o2 sensors went to 0 when climbing a hill? any and all help apriceated. ================================================= 2001 Nissan Pathfinder LE Engine: 3.5 L / 6 cyl / Gas / DOHC Fuel: Fuel Injection / SEFI Ignition: Distributorless Trans: 4-speed Automatic Transmission (Electronic) Mileage: 48,665 mi Emissions: OBD-II Compliant VIN: JN8DR09Y51 Misc Data: Calif. Symptoms: Cuts out, Stall, MIL Lamp on Occurs: Always More Info: Test results & repair history included below _______________________ CLOSED W/FIX _______________________ A new (rebuilt actually) MAF fixed it. All the evidence was there, but I appreciate everybody's input. It really was fairly cut and dry. 12v was good, 5v was good, ground was good, but the MAF signal wouldn't change at all. I checked it right out of the sensor and it was always right at 1 volt. I felt checking at the sensor ruled out wiring or PCM problems. I don't think I mentioned in my original post that it had a K & N air filter. Today I noticed on a 98 Sable a message molded into the air filter box that oiled air filters might void the MAF warranty. I guess Ford doesn't like them. Ther were signs of oil on the screen in the MAF housing. Nissan and some of you said this should be covered 3 years/50,000 miles. The customer refused to take it to the dealer, which is unfortunate, because I have found our local deater to be responsible and capable. Thanks everybody. _____________________ ORIGINAL MESSAGE _____________________ Vehicle was cruising down the highway when Check Engine light came on. Then it started running bad. After they stopped, vehicle wouldn't run. Actually, it will idle, but when throttle is applied, it coughs and dies, like a not- enough-fuel problem. P0100 and P1320 were in memory. In pending codes were: P0340: Cam positon sensor P0464: Fuel level sensor P1140: Right bank intake valve timing control position sensor P0732: Incorrect shift to 2nd gear P1320 and P0100 The only code that comes back after clearing is P0100, MAF sensor. In testing the 4 wires, 3 are OK: Blk/wht-bat. voltage, blk/pink-ground,pink/blk-5 v. The orange wire, however should vary from 1 v at KOEO to 2.2 v at 2500 RPM to 4.0 v at 4000 RPM. I am only getting 1 v all the time. Actually, it won't run much above 1500 RPM before it falls on it's face. It looks like a bad MAF, but at $488 I need to be sure. Is there anything else I should check? Does this fall under any kind of federal emission warranty? I am inclined to ignore the other codes until I deal with the P0100. Thanks for any input. ================================================ 1999 Toyota Tacoma Engine: 3.4 L / 6 cyl / Gas / DOHC Fuel: Fuel Injection Ignition: Distributorless Trans: 5-speed Standard Transmission Mileage: 36,463 mi Emissions: OBD-II Compliant VIN: 4TAWN72N3XZ Symptoms: Poor Fuel Economy, MIL Lamp on Occurs: Always More Info: Test results & repair history included below _______________________ CLOSED W/FIX _______________________ Thanks to IATN, another customer is driving his REPAIRED vehile with a minimum of trouble or unnecessary expense. I replaced the MAF, re-scanned the vehicle, and as the ECU re-established its running information, watched as it brought the LTFT back to a more normal range. The idle started out very rough at first, which concerned me, but after 20 minutes of normal driving, it smoothed out, and the LTFT went from -40% ) -35% )-20% ) -9.4% and was running very nicely as the happy customer drove off. By the way, I was able to talk him into putting a Toyota air filter back into the vehicle as well. Thanks to everyone for the help and advice! Stephen _____________________ ORIGINAL MESSAGE _____________________ This Tacoma will trigger the DTC light very soon after erasing the PO 172 code-system too rich. OBD 2 scaning shows the LTFT trying to lean out the system as much as 40% @ idle, and less as the load/throttle use increases. I am not able to find any information on the air/fuel sensor, and the scanner does not provide any information when plugged in. Does anyone have a recommendation to test the units, either with a scanner or current probe? Thanks for your time ================================================ 1996 Toyota Tacoma Engine: 2.7 L / 4 cyl / Gas / DOHC Fuel: Fuel Injection Ignition: Distributor-Breakerless Trans: 5-speed Standard Transmission Mileage: 75,134 mi Emissions: OBD-II Compliant VIN: 4TAPM62NOTZ212410 Symptoms: No Start, MIL Lamp on Occurs: After a Hot Soak More Info: Test results & repair history included below _______________________ CLOSED W/FIX _______________________ Well thanks again to the IATN members for help of another successful fix! The problem was an oil contaminated hotwire (air flow meter) the oil was from a K&N air filter. I cleaned it with brake clean and then test drove while monitoring the STFT and LTFT, the STFT immediatly dropped from 25 percent to a negative 3 percent, the LTFT of course was a little slower to respond but also started dropping negative. Repair verified! Thanks to all who responded! _____________________ ORIGINAL MESSAGE _____________________ This vehicle has power loss and intermittently starts hard (extended crank times) especially after hot soak. Although the customer has intalled an aftermarket intake system (not intake manifold) the factory airflow meter and air intake temp sensor are installed. The fuel pressure is within specs and does not bleed down. The O2 sensors also check good. The scan tool shows the airflow at idle at about 3.5-3.7 g/s, is this correct? For some reason the Snap-On scanner does not give me "normal values" for this vehicle. All ideas are appreciated and TIA. ================================================= |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:34:52 -0500, Luca <loosedukeNOWAY@comcast.net>
wrote: >Jason said the following on 1/5/2004 7:23 PM: > >> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:04:42 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> >>>In article <robinxjoy-462956.08573805012004@news.west.cox.net>, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>In article <h43jvvs4k6ksfl7u9vghvsdo2mpjhgate8@4ax.com>, >>>>Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>In article >>>>>><mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >>>>>>"BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage runs >>>>>>>from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. >>>>>>>Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. >>>>>>>Bob >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >>>>>>>>remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is >>>>>>there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor >>>>>>mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction >>>>>>that might be correctable? >>>>> >>>>>It's worth mentioning that I have a K&N Drop-In Filter installed which >>>>>adds another 0.5-1.0 MPG (depending on how you drive) and another 2-3 >>>>>HP. >>>>> >>>>>As for getting 15.5-18.5 MPG, you're either beating the hell out of >>>>>that car, driving in 1st and 2nd gear at cruising speeds, or there's >>>>>something wrong with your car. If you're driving like a normal human >>>>>being then take that car to the dealer and have them give it a look. >>>> >>>>Jason, >>>>Regarding the K&N drop in filter, I'm unfamiliar with this as I am with >>>>anything having to do with the mechanics of a car, but is this something >>>>that can be used in any make car? >>>>1) If I should decide against purchasing a Sonata, and go for one of my >>>>other two choices (an Accord XLV6 or Altima), can that filter be used >>>>and would it be to any significant advantage since, if I'm not mistaken, >>>>the HP is higher in those cars than Sonata? >>> >>>K&N filter will not give any horsepower boost to any Honda, Hyundai or >>>whatever. Please do not use that filter on any car as it passes more >>>contaminants than the OE filter. >> >> >> Not true on either count. While it's true that the aftermarket >> filters you find at PepBoys or AutoZone for $9.99 are crap, K&N >> filters are race tested and are recommended by everyone who knows >> anything about automobiles. >> >> It's widely known (and easily proved) that reducing restriction in the >> intake and exhaust systems WILL increase power and WILL increase gas >> mileage. >> >> As for passing more contaminates, than the OE filter, I don't believe >> it. There is a standardized testing procedure for filtration (SAE >> J726). Most OE paper filters fall between 93-97%, K&N cotton filters >> hover between 97-99%. >> >> >>>>2) If I should decide for a Hyundai XG350, would it be compatible? One >>>>of the main reasons I'm leaning away from this car is the reported city >>>>mpg of only 17. >>>>3) Are you the same Jason that's active on the misc.consumers NG? >>>>Robin >>>> >> >> >Will they void the warranty in any way? I am concerned about this. Adding aftermarket parts (ANY aftermarket parts) cannot be cause for the dealer to void the warranty on your car. What will happen, however, is that you will lose the warranty on the part you replace (which isn't really applicable in this case). For example, if you were to replace the lower resonator, air box, intake tube, and upper resonator on a Sonata LX with an AEM CAI (made for the Tiburon, most V6 Tib parts will fit the 02-04 V6 Sonata) you would lose the warranty on all the parts you removed. The remainder of the warranty can only be voided if your aftermarket modifications caused another part to fail. For example, if you install a CAI (without a bypass valve) and you suck up a gallon of water by driving through a 6 inch "puddle" and your engine hydrolocks, your CAI (and poor driving habits) are at fault, the dealer will not cover the replacement engine and labor. If your alternator dies the dealer can't void the warranty because there is no way that a CAI caused that problem. Back on the part at hand, there is no way that a quality aftermarket air filter can void any part of any warranty, in fact, many dealers offer aftermarket parts (that don't void the warranty) as dealer add-ons. Along that line, on January 15th, select Hyundai dealerships in the USA will begin selling aftermarket parts (like new exhaust systems, intake modifications, superchargers and turbochargers, body kits, etc.) badged under the name "H.A.R.D. Parts." This plan was announced at SEMA. |
Re: Sonata LX and XG350 owners - what mpg are you averaging?
Those people are stupid. First of all, oil should not be dripping off
of the filter. Second, when re-oiling the filter you spray on the outside (so that the oil must pass through the filter). Third, it sounds more like the person had a full intake system (like K&N's Typhoon of FPIK). That means that they removed the entire stock intake up to the throttle body and replaced it with the K&N product. The problem here is obvious.. Engine vibration (combined with off-roading) WILL pull a cone filter right off the end of a tube unless you crank it down REAL tight. The fault here is not K&N, the blame lies with whoever installed the intake. I've been using K&N filters for years and have never had a problem. In fact, I just pulled apart my intake tube. There is not a drop of oil on my MAF. Oh, and you should NEVER, NEVER install a cone filter right to the end of the MAF. It is well known that this will cause problems because the increased air flow will cause quite a bit of vibration. The MAF should be at least 4-6 inches from a cone filter. FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS FOLKS AND THINGS DON'T BREAK! On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 02:39:51 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote: >In article <sfvjvvcf8c9h29sdr4btkh4csanogc0gip@4ax.com>, Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote: >>On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:04:42 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>>In article <robinxjoy-462956.08573805012004@news.west.cox.net>, Robin >> <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>In article <h43jvvs4k6ksfl7u9vghvsdo2mpjhgate8@4ax.com>, >>>> Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800, Robin <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >In article >>>>> ><mmXJb.595876$0v4.23483932@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >>>>> > "BJ" <rajohngm@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Have a 2003 Sonata with 2.7 engine that gets poor mileage. My mileage >> runs >>>>> >> from 15.5 to a best ever of 18.5 mpg. 90% of my driving is in town. >>>>> >> Insurance rate with up $160.00 per year on Sonata over Chrysler T&C. >>>>> >> Bob >>>>> >> >>>>> >> "Robin" <robinxjoy@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>> >> news:robinxjoy-4338AF.00352304012004@news.west.cox.net... >>>>> >> > city and Hwy.... Also, if new to Hyandai, has your insurance rate >>>>> >> > remained similar to last car, or increase or decrease? >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -- >>>>> >> > Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >You may have read Jason's response that he averages 20-21mpg city. Is >>>>> >there something in the way you drive that might account for the poor >>>>> >mileage? Have you taken it in to the dealer to check for a malfunction >>>>> >that might be correctable? >>>>> >>>>> It's worth mentioning that I have a K&N Drop-In Filter installed which >>>>> adds another 0.5-1.0 MPG (depending on how you drive) and another 2-3 >>>>> HP. >>>>> >>>>> As for getting 15.5-18.5 MPG, you're either beating the hell out of >>>>> that car, driving in 1st and 2nd gear at cruising speeds, or there's >>>>> something wrong with your car. If you're driving like a normal human >>>>> being then take that car to the dealer and have them give it a look. >>>> >>>>Jason, >>>>Regarding the K&N drop in filter, I'm unfamiliar with this as I am with >>>>anything having to do with the mechanics of a car, but is this something >>>>that can be used in any make car? >>>>1) If I should decide against purchasing a Sonata, and go for one of my >>>>other two choices (an Accord XLV6 or Altima), can that filter be used >>>>and would it be to any significant advantage since, if I'm not mistaken, >>>>the HP is higher in those cars than Sonata? >>> >>>K&N filter will not give any horsepower boost to any Honda, Hyundai or >>>whatever. Please do not use that filter on any car as it passes more >>>contaminants than the OE filter. >> >>Not true on either count. While it's true that the aftermarket >>filters you find at PepBoys or AutoZone for $9.99 are crap, K&N >>filters are race tested and are recommended by everyone who knows >>anything about automobiles. >> >>It's widely known (and easily proved) that reducing restriction in the >>intake and exhaust systems WILL increase power and WILL increase gas >>mileage. >> >>As for passing more contaminates, than the OE filter, I don't believe >>it. There is a standardized testing procedure for filtration (SAE >>J726). Most OE paper filters fall between 93-97%, K&N cotton filters >>hover between 97-99%. > > >================================================= =========== >2000 Toyota Tundra SR5 > >Engine: 4.7 L / 8 cyl / Gas / DOHC >Fuel: Fuel Injection >Ignition: Distributorless >Trans: 4-speed Automatic Transmission (Electronic) >Mileage: 26,434 mi >Emissions: OBD-II Compliant >VIN: 5TBBT441XYS047306 > >Symptoms: MIL Lamp on >Occurs: Idle >More Info: Test results & repair history included below > >_______________________ CLOSED W/FIX _______________________ > >hi all thanks for all the replies to this post. i knew all >about the maf problems but was glad to hear from all of you >about what i suspected all along. the problem wasnt the >maf,it was the aftermarket k&n intake system that 'adds >horsepower' lol. i compaired the g/s with another tundra >that happened to come in the next day and found that at >idle the K&N system saw 2g/s less at idle and 4g/s less at >2k rpm. decided to swap maf for fun. maf worked grate in oe >intake no problems. ordered up oe intake system installed >and drove vehicle fuel trim adjusted its self back to 0. >with after market intake too much unmetered air was >entering the intake system causing all 4 o2 sensors to show >0v on aceleration. with the suport of the iatn was able to >show and convince the customer that the K&N intake dosent >alwas help and sometimes cause problems. thanks hugh > >_____________________ ORIGINAL MESSAGE _____________________ > >hi all got this tundra in the shop strait from the >dealer.well it left the dealer about 400 miles ago.the >problem is system too lean fuel trim code.let me tell you >what i know about this truck first. i beleave that this is >a rich kids truck. customer states that he was off roading >in the desert when his aftermarket k$n intake fell off and >sucked a bunch of sand in the engine. result daeler >installed new engine. customer pay about 11k. now he states >that check engine light on with p0171. peformed smoke test >to check for vac leak none found. manifold vacuum is >21hg.engine stlii equiped withk$n intake and dealer >recomends oe air intake to solve the problem? freez frame >data is 692rpm 0mph 192f 11.3load ltftb1&b2=34.4 stftb115.6 >b214.8 fuel press normal maf reading 4grm/sec the only >other thing to add is that i noticed on the scaner that all >4 o2 sensors went to 0 when climbing a hill? any and all >help apriceated. >=============================================== == >2001 Nissan Pathfinder LE > >Engine: 3.5 L / 6 cyl / Gas / DOHC >Fuel: Fuel Injection / SEFI >Ignition: Distributorless >Trans: 4-speed Automatic Transmission (Electronic) >Mileage: 48,665 mi >Emissions: OBD-II Compliant >VIN: JN8DR09Y51 > >Misc Data: Calif. >Symptoms: Cuts out, Stall, MIL Lamp on >Occurs: Always >More Info: Test results & repair history included below > >_______________________ CLOSED W/FIX _______________________ > >A new (rebuilt actually) MAF fixed it. All the evidence was >there, but I appreciate everybody's input. It really was >fairly cut and dry. 12v was good, 5v was good, ground was >good, but the MAF signal wouldn't change at all. I checked >it right out of the sensor and it was always right at 1 >volt. I felt checking at the sensor ruled out wiring or PCM >problems. I don't think I mentioned in my original post >that it had a K & N air filter. Today I noticed on a 98 >Sable a message molded into the air filter box that oiled >air filters might void the MAF warranty. I guess Ford >doesn't like them. Ther were signs of oil on the screen in >the MAF housing. > >Nissan and some of you said this should be covered 3 >years/50,000 miles. The customer refused to take it to the >dealer, which is unfortunate, because I have found our >local deater to be responsible and capable. Thanks >everybody. > >_____________________ ORIGINAL MESSAGE _____________________ > >Vehicle was cruising down the highway when Check Engine >light came on. Then it started running bad. After they >stopped, vehicle wouldn't run. Actually, it will idle, but >when throttle is applied, it coughs and dies, like a not- >enough-fuel problem. P0100 and P1320 were in memory. In >pending codes were: > >P0340: Cam positon sensor > >P0464: Fuel level sensor > >P1140: Right bank intake valve timing control position >sensor > >P0732: Incorrect shift to 2nd gear > >P1320 and P0100 > >The only code that comes back after clearing is P0100, MAF >sensor. > >In testing the 4 wires, 3 are OK: Blk/wht-bat. voltage, >blk/pink-ground,pink/blk-5 v. > >The orange wire, however should vary from 1 v at KOEO to >2.2 v at 2500 RPM to 4.0 v at 4000 RPM. > >I am only getting 1 v all the time. Actually, it won't run >much above 1500 RPM before it falls on it's face. > >It looks like a bad MAF, but at $488 I need to be sure. Is >there anything else I should check? Does this fall under >any kind of federal emission warranty? > >I am inclined to ignore the other codes until I deal with >the P0100. > >Thanks for any input. >=============================================== = >1999 Toyota Tacoma > >Engine: 3.4 L / 6 cyl / Gas / DOHC >Fuel: Fuel Injection >Ignition: Distributorless >Trans: 5-speed Standard Transmission >Mileage: 36,463 mi >Emissions: OBD-II Compliant >VIN: 4TAWN72N3XZ > >Symptoms: Poor Fuel Economy, MIL Lamp on >Occurs: Always >More Info: Test results & repair history included below > >_______________________ CLOSED W/FIX _______________________ > >Thanks to IATN, another customer is driving his REPAIRED >vehile with a minimum of trouble or unnecessary expense. I >replaced the MAF, re-scanned the vehicle, and as the ECU >re-established its running information, watched as it >brought the LTFT back to a more normal range. The idle >started out very rough at first, which concerned me, but >after 20 minutes of normal driving, it smoothed out, and >the LTFT went from -40% ) -35% )-20% ) -9.4% and was >running very nicely as the happy customer drove off. By the >way, I was able to talk him into putting a Toyota air >filter back into the vehicle as well. Thanks to everyone >for the help and advice! Stephen > >_____________________ ORIGINAL MESSAGE _____________________ > >This Tacoma will trigger the DTC light very soon after >erasing the PO 172 code-system too rich. OBD 2 scaning >shows the LTFT trying to lean out the system as much as 40% >@ idle, and less as the load/throttle use increases. I am >not able to find any information on the air/fuel sensor, >and the scanner does not provide any information when >plugged in. Does anyone have a recommendation to test the >units, either with a scanner or current probe? Thanks for >your time >=============================================== = >1996 Toyota Tacoma > >Engine: 2.7 L / 4 cyl / Gas / DOHC >Fuel: Fuel Injection >Ignition: Distributor-Breakerless >Trans: 5-speed Standard Transmission >Mileage: 75,134 mi >Emissions: OBD-II Compliant >VIN: 4TAPM62NOTZ212410 > >Symptoms: No Start, MIL Lamp on >Occurs: After a Hot Soak >More Info: Test results & repair history included below > >_______________________ CLOSED W/FIX _______________________ > >Well thanks again to the IATN members for help of another >successful fix! The problem was an oil contaminated hotwire >(air flow meter) the oil was from a K&N air filter. I >cleaned it with brake clean and then test drove while >monitoring the STFT and LTFT, the STFT immediatly dropped >from 25 percent to a negative 3 percent, the LTFT of course >was a little slower to respond but also started dropping >negative. Repair verified! Thanks to all who responded! > >_____________________ ORIGINAL MESSAGE _____________________ > >This vehicle has power loss and intermittently starts hard >(extended crank times) especially after hot soak. Although >the customer has intalled an aftermarket intake system (not >intake manifold) the factory airflow meter and air intake >temp sensor are installed. The fuel pressure is within >specs and does not bleed down. The O2 sensors also check >good. The scan tool shows the airflow at idle at about >3.5-3.7 g/s, is this correct? For some reason the Snap-On >scanner does not give me "normal values" for this vehicle. >All ideas are appreciated and TIA. >=============================================== == |
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