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Sonata oil filter
I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought over
the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in the bottom of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An earlier post said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter and causing loss of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this explanation since the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is no way that the oil is going to drain out of it. The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is usually what is in some filters. Any comments? Tom |
Re: Sonata oil filter
Tom wrote:
> I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought over > the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in the bottom > of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An earlier post > said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter and causing loss > of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this explanation since > the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is no way that the oil is > going to drain out of it. > The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is > usually what is in some filters. > Any comments? It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the principle called siphoning, right? An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). Matt |
Re: Sonata oil filter
Tom wrote:
> I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought over > the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in the bottom > of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An earlier post > said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter and causing loss > of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this explanation since > the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is no way that the oil is > going to drain out of it. > The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is > usually what is in some filters. > Any comments? It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the principle called siphoning, right? An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). Matt |
Re: Sonata oil filter
Yep, Matt, I thought about the siphoning action but doubt that it would be a
problem. For years, as I said, the valve is a bypass valve, not an anti-siphon valve. I can see that, in cold weather when the oil is more viscous, the oil flow to the valve gallery would be reduced allowing the lifters to not pump up fast enough and cause some clacking. That would be more reasonable. The fact that the OEM Bosch filter doesn't have the valve (at least in a visible location) is puzzling. I will be writing to Bosch to let them know and get their input. Tom "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:6fvEg.539$Db4.52345@news1.epix.net... > Tom wrote: >> I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought >> over the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in >> the bottom of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An >> earlier post said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter >> and causing loss of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this >> explanation since the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is >> no way that the oil is going to drain out of it. >> The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is >> usually what is in some filters. >> Any comments? > > It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into > the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it > isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the > principle called siphoning, right? > > An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't > use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). > > Matt |
Re: Sonata oil filter
Yep, Matt, I thought about the siphoning action but doubt that it would be a
problem. For years, as I said, the valve is a bypass valve, not an anti-siphon valve. I can see that, in cold weather when the oil is more viscous, the oil flow to the valve gallery would be reduced allowing the lifters to not pump up fast enough and cause some clacking. That would be more reasonable. The fact that the OEM Bosch filter doesn't have the valve (at least in a visible location) is puzzling. I will be writing to Bosch to let them know and get their input. Tom "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:6fvEg.539$Db4.52345@news1.epix.net... > Tom wrote: >> I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought >> over the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in >> the bottom of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An >> earlier post said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter >> and causing loss of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this >> explanation since the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is >> no way that the oil is going to drain out of it. >> The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is >> usually what is in some filters. >> Any comments? > > It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into > the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it > isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the > principle called siphoning, right? > > An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't > use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). > > Matt |
Re: Sonata oil filter
I just went on the Bosch site and they say that their Premium Filters have a
silicone anti-drain back valve, so it must be in there somewhere. I just can't see it. Tom "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:6fvEg.539$Db4.52345@news1.epix.net... > Tom wrote: >> I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought >> over the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in >> the bottom of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An >> earlier post said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter >> and causing loss of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this >> explanation since the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is >> no way that the oil is going to drain out of it. >> The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is >> usually what is in some filters. >> Any comments? > > It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into > the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it > isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the > principle called siphoning, right? > > An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't > use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). > > Matt |
Re: Sonata oil filter
I just went on the Bosch site and they say that their Premium Filters have a
silicone anti-drain back valve, so it must be in there somewhere. I just can't see it. Tom "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:6fvEg.539$Db4.52345@news1.epix.net... > Tom wrote: >> I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought >> over the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in >> the bottom of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An >> earlier post said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter >> and causing loss of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this >> explanation since the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is >> no way that the oil is going to drain out of it. >> The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is >> usually what is in some filters. >> Any comments? > > It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into > the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it > isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the > principle called siphoning, right? > > An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't > use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). > > Matt |
Re: Sonata oil filter
The mystery is solved! The key was 'silicone' valve. In my years working
for packaging companies, we had silicone vacuum or pressure release silicone valves, which were nothing more than a little silicone flap that covered a hole. Well, I looked at my spare Bosch filters and, there it was, a silicone gasket that was just below the holes around the periphery of the filter. The oil is forced through these holes and, in the process, push the silicone gasket away from the hole. The oil goes through the filter and out the center hole back to the engine. When the oil tries to come back through the filter down the center hole when you shut off the engine, it pushes the silicone gasket against the holes and prevents reverse flow. Thanks for pushing me to a solution, Matt. I guess it's never too late to learn. :o) Tom "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:6fvEg.539$Db4.52345@news1.epix.net... > Tom wrote: >> I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought >> over the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in >> the bottom of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An >> earlier post said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter >> and causing loss of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this >> explanation since the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is >> no way that the oil is going to drain out of it. >> The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is >> usually what is in some filters. >> Any comments? > > It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into > the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it > isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the > principle called siphoning, right? > > An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't > use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). > > Matt |
Re: Sonata oil filter
The mystery is solved! The key was 'silicone' valve. In my years working
for packaging companies, we had silicone vacuum or pressure release silicone valves, which were nothing more than a little silicone flap that covered a hole. Well, I looked at my spare Bosch filters and, there it was, a silicone gasket that was just below the holes around the periphery of the filter. The oil is forced through these holes and, in the process, push the silicone gasket away from the hole. The oil goes through the filter and out the center hole back to the engine. When the oil tries to come back through the filter down the center hole when you shut off the engine, it pushes the silicone gasket against the holes and prevents reverse flow. Thanks for pushing me to a solution, Matt. I guess it's never too late to learn. :o) Tom "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message news:6fvEg.539$Db4.52345@news1.epix.net... > Tom wrote: >> I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought >> over the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in >> the bottom of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An >> earlier post said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter >> and causing loss of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this >> explanation since the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is >> no way that the oil is going to drain out of it. >> The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is >> usually what is in some filters. >> Any comments? > > It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into > the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it > isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the > principle called siphoning, right? > > An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't > use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). > > Matt |
Re: Sonata oil filter
Tom wrote:
> Yep, Matt, I thought about the siphoning action but doubt that it would be a > problem. For years, as I said, the valve is a bypass valve, not an > anti-siphon valve. I can see that, in cold weather when the oil is more > viscous, the oil flow to the valve gallery would be reduced allowing the > lifters to not pump up fast enough and cause some clacking. That would be > more reasonable. > The fact that the OEM Bosch filter doesn't have the valve (at least in a > visible location) is puzzling. I will be writing to Bosch to let them know > and get their input. > > Tom > > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message > news:6fvEg.539$Db4.52345@news1.epix.net... > >>Tom wrote: >> >>>I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought >>>over the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in >>>the bottom of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An >>>earlier post said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter >>>and causing loss of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this >>>explanation since the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is >>>no way that the oil is going to drain out of it. >>>The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is >>>usually what is in some filters. >>>Any comments? >> >>It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into >>the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it >>isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the >>principle called siphoning, right? >> >>An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't >>use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). >> >>Matt I'm not sure I follow you. A good filter has both a bypass valve and an anti-drainback valve. They are different animals that serve different functions. Matt |
Re: Sonata oil filter
Tom wrote:
> Yep, Matt, I thought about the siphoning action but doubt that it would be a > problem. For years, as I said, the valve is a bypass valve, not an > anti-siphon valve. I can see that, in cold weather when the oil is more > viscous, the oil flow to the valve gallery would be reduced allowing the > lifters to not pump up fast enough and cause some clacking. That would be > more reasonable. > The fact that the OEM Bosch filter doesn't have the valve (at least in a > visible location) is puzzling. I will be writing to Bosch to let them know > and get their input. > > Tom > > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message > news:6fvEg.539$Db4.52345@news1.epix.net... > >>Tom wrote: >> >>>I changed my oil in my 2006 Sonata and used a Bosch OEM filter I bought >>>over the internet from a Hyundai dealer. It doesn't have the valve in >>>the bottom of the filter like the Hyundai filter did that I removed. An >>>earlier post said the valve kept the oil from draining out of the filter >>>and causing loss of oil to valve train on startup. I'm confused by this >>>explanation since the filter sits vertically on the engine and there is >>>no way that the oil is going to drain out of it. >>>The valve might be a bypass valve if the filter gets clogged, which is >>>usually what is in some filters. >>>Any comments? >> >>It lets the oil "above" the filter in the engine passages drain back into >>the filter and crankcase. True, the filter likely don't drain, but it >>isn't impossible even with a vertical filter. You are familiar with the >>principle called siphoning, right? >> >>An anti-drainback valve is an essential part of a filter and I wouldn't >>use a filter that lacked one or had an ineffective one (Fram). >> >>Matt I'm not sure I follow you. A good filter has both a bypass valve and an anti-drainback valve. They are different animals that serve different functions. Matt |
Need Parts
Need a fuel pump, starter solinoid and a good master cylinder for my 1931 a
ford also could use a radiator for my 1966 V.W. bug. |
Need Parts
Need a fuel pump, starter solinoid and a good master cylinder for my 1931 a
ford also could use a radiator for my 1966 V.W. bug. |
Re: Need Parts
taters2 wrote:
> Need a fuel pump, starter solinoid and a good master cylinder for my 1931 a > ford also could use a radiator for my 1966 V.W. bug. > A radiator for a '66 Bug? That must be a customized 1300 machine, 'cause all of mine were air cooled...the '59, 66, and 71SB... Can't help you with the Ford, but then again, it's a Ford. |
Re: Need Parts
taters2 wrote:
> Need a fuel pump, starter solinoid and a good master cylinder for my 1931 a > ford also could use a radiator for my 1966 V.W. bug. > A radiator for a '66 Bug? That must be a customized 1300 machine, 'cause all of mine were air cooled...the '59, 66, and 71SB... Can't help you with the Ford, but then again, it's a Ford. |
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