Re: Synthetic Oil
 

<CBX2@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>I always have to laugh at the ignorance of most people when it comes to
> Synthetics verses dino.Do you guys have a clue about all the different
> things oil has to do????
> Before you make ignrant statements like it won't have any effect on
> longevity READ SAE reports, READ FORD motors reports from 1976 on Mobil
> 1 READ about the difference in shear rating and ability to hold
> viscosity and the difference in detergence.

So what? I don't think many people doubt that synthetics are better, but
the question is, do you need them? I've never used synthetics in my
automobiles, but I have used them in small engines for high performance.
I'm talking running at 15,000 rpm and higher where normal lubricants would
die. For my cars? No need. I've never had an oil related problem in cars
that I've had in excess of 200,000 miles.

> Clay seems to be one of the few who isn't talking out of his ass or
> just giving opinion.

Sometimes people as for the opinion of others. It is up to them to decide
if the comments came from their ass. OTOH, we could ask you to mark these
conversations for us. Would you like to be the moderator?



> Besides what do I know,I retired at 45

Could mean you were very smart, or it could mean you have more money than
brains. Can't tell for sure from here but I'm leaning one way right now.

Re: Synthetic Oil
 

CBX2@webtv.net wrote:
> I always have to laugh at the ignorance of most people when it comes to
> Synthetics verses dino.Do you guys have a clue about all the different
> things oil has to do????
> Before you make ignrant statements like it won't have any effect on
> longevity READ SAE reports, READ FORD motors reports from 1976 on Mobil
> 1 READ about the difference in shear rating and ability to hold
> viscosity and the difference in detergence.

Which reports, where are they and what is the report or reference
number? What is detergence? Is that anything like detergents?

And shear resistance, viscosity stability and detergent capability
doesn't necessarily affect longevity of the engine. Only if you run for
very extended oil changes such that dino oil has pooped out will this
make a difference. And with modern dino oils, that is a long time and
many miles.

I'm a big fan of synthetics and they have many advantages, and I believe
an engine will last longer using them, but I have to agree with the dino
folks that given frequent changes (5-7.5K) modern dino oil will take you
to probably 200K miles. If you plan to drive your car for 500K miles or
run 10,000+ change intervals, then synthetic might begin to some some
good advantage.


> Clay seems to be one of the few who isn't talking out of his ass or
> just giving opinion.

And you aren't one of the few.


> I have used synthetics since 76 Mobil 1 Redline synthetic gear oils and
> tranny oil.I use Shell Rotella Diesel synthetic now (cheaper than Mobil
> 1 But I do use the synthetic filter from Mobil1.

Good idea. I've used synthetics since about that time frame also, but
I'm aware of what they add and don't add. They add greatly to cold
start capability (especially at temps below -20 or so). They are better
in extreme heat, but that isn't a problem where I live.


> My gas milage on my vehicles has alway increased with the change to
> synthetis and I always get better than EPA estimates.
> I have my oils tested on each vehicle when new to provide info for
> warrantee protection.I use synthetic in all my bikes (22) my Accent and
> my Nissan Harbody. All have Redline synthetic inn the tranny AND rear
> ends.

Changes in fuel mileage are not enough to measure in normal driving and
conditions. You'd need very controlled conditions and very good
instrumentation to even notice a 2-4% advantage. This is the placebo
affect at its best.


> I'm sure my post will offend some of you but I'm sick of hearing
> ridiculous statements with no basis in fact.Don't take my word for it
> READ THE FACTS.

You have provided no facts nor any references to facts.


> Besides what do I know,I retired at 45

Given your demonstrated literacy, all I can say is isn't inheritance a
wonderful thing.

Matt

Re: Synthetic Oil
 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> CBX2@webtv.net wrote:
>> I always have to laugh at the ignorance of most people when it comes to
>> Synthetics verses dino.Do you guys have a clue about all the different
>> things oil has to
>> do???? Before you
>> make ignrant statements like it won't have any effect on
>> longevity READ SAE reports, READ FORD motors reports from 1976 on Mobil
>> 1 READ about the difference in shear rating and ability to hold
>> viscosity and the difference in detergence.
>
> Which reports, where are they and what is the report or reference
> number? What is detergence? Is that anything like detergents?
>
> And shear resistance, viscosity stability and detergent capability
> doesn't necessarily affect longevity of the engine. Only if you run for
> very extended oil changes such that dino oil has pooped out will this
> make a difference. And with modern dino oils, that is a long time and
> many miles.
>
> I'm a big fan of synthetics and they have many advantages, and I believe
> an engine will last longer using them, but I have to agree with the dino
> folks that given frequent changes (5-7.5K) modern dino oil will take you
> to probably 200K miles. If you plan to drive your car for 500K miles or
> run 10,000+ change intervals, then synthetic might begin to some some
> good advantage.
>
>
>> Clay seems to be one of the few who isn't talking out of his ass or
>> just giving opinion.
>
> And you aren't one of the few.
>
>
>> I have used synthetics since 76 Mobil 1 Redline synthetic gear oils and
>> tranny oil.I use Shell Rotella Diesel synthetic now (cheaper than Mobil
>> 1 But I do use the synthetic filter from Mobil1.
>
> Good idea. I've used synthetics since about that time frame also, but
> I'm aware of what they add and don't add. They add greatly to cold
> start capability (especially at temps below -20 or so). They are better
> in extreme heat, but that isn't a problem where I live.
>
>
>> My gas milage on my vehicles has alway increased with the change to
>> synthetis and I always get better than EPA estimates.
>> I have my oils tested on each vehicle when new to provide info for
>> warrantee protection.I use synthetic in all my bikes (22) my Accent and
>> my Nissan Harbody. All have Redline synthetic inn the tranny AND rear
>> ends.
>
> Changes in fuel mileage are not enough to measure in normal driving and
> conditions. You'd need very controlled conditions and very good
> instrumentation to even notice a 2-4% advantage. This is the placebo
> affect at its best.
>
>
>> I'm sure my post will offend some of you but I'm sick of hearing
>> ridiculous statements with no basis in fact.Don't take my word for it
>> READ THE FACTS.
>
> You have provided no facts nor any references to facts.
>
>
>> Besides what do I know,I retired at 45
>
> Given your demonstrated literacy, all I can say is isn't inheritance a
> wonderful thing.
>
> Matt

You guys are funny. I'm glad I don't get emotional about this stuff. :)

Clay

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Re: Synthetic Oil
 

Crabman wrote:

> You guys are funny. I'm glad I don't get emotional about this stuff. :)

Not as funny as you with your reference to facts that you won't or can't
provide. THAT is funny!

Matt

Re: Synthetic Oil
 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Crabman wrote:
>
>> You guys are funny. I'm glad I don't get emotional about this stuff. :)
>
> Not as funny as you with your reference to facts that you won't or can't
> provide. THAT is funny!
>
> Matt
You got the wrong guy Matt.

Clay

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Warning: keyboard may cause involuntary vowel movement - Clay Ferriola

Re: Synthetic Oil
 

Crabman wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Crabman wrote:
>>
>>> You guys are funny. I'm glad I don't get emotional about this stuff. :)
>>
>> Not as funny as you with your reference to facts that you won't or
>> can't provide. THAT is funny!
>>
>> Matt
> You got the wrong guy Matt.

So I did. My apology!

Matt