Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

Hi Group,

I'm coming due for my timing belt replacement soon on my 2000 Sonata
GLS. Since I'll probably have another car to drive in the meantime,
I'm thinking I'll try to do it myself. Is there a guide anywhere on
how to remove and replace it?
Any tips or tricks on getting to it? Looks like it'd be easiest to
get access by taking off the right front wheel and splash panel and
getting at it that way.

HMS has some good info, but a guide with pictures and not just
difficult-to-interpret sketches would probably be best.

I haven't done much work inside of engines before but I do have a
timing light and all the necessary tools.

A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it
to do the water pump at the same time on the GLS? Also, is there
really a difference in quality between different brands of belts? I
see one kit @ Advance Auto for $183.95...and for a belt and a couple
of tensioners I can't help but think how much of that is really
margin. I mean...it's just a piece of rubber and a couple of molded
metal circles. I saw another kit on ebay for $85, which, while still
expensive for what it is, is not nearly as much of a hit. Is there a
considerable difference in reliability & life expectancy?


Thanks

Fred

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

<fpocai@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eac9d83d-20b2-4c84-ab5e-b4668358b68b@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

>
> A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it
> to do the water pump at the same time on the GLS? Also, is there
> really a difference in quality between different brands of belts? I
> see one kit @ Advance Auto for $183.95...and for a belt and a couple
> of tensioners I can't help but think how much of that is really
> margin. I mean...it's just a piece of rubber and a couple of molded
> metal circles. I saw another kit on ebay for $85, which, while still
> expensive for what it is, is not nearly as much of a hit. Is there a
> considerable difference in reliability & life expectancy?
>

Well of course there is Fred. If you've done any amount of work on a car ever - and I'm guessing you've done some, then you certainly understand that quality is all over the map. There can be some good deals to be had from ebay, and there is some junk to be had too. I wouldn't put anything but a Gates belt in my car. Don't know what brand the belt is you saw on ebay. Belts typically run around $40-$80 on the aftermarket, depending on where you live and if you get any discount off of list. I sure as hell would not go for any bargain belt. Likewise for the tensioners. While it's open, it would be smart to throw a water pump in it.

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Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

<fpocai@gmail.com> wrote in message
> A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it
> to do the water pump at the same time on the GLS?

Your choice, but if you have to do the water pump next month or next year,
you have to do the exact same labor to get to the pump. I'd replace it now.


Also, is there
> really a difference in quality between different brands of belts? I
> see one kit @ Advance Auto for $183.95...and for a belt and a couple
> of tensioners I can't help but think how much of that is really
> margin. I mean...it's just a piece of rubber and a couple of molded
> metal circles.

Just a piece of rubber? Do the math. The engine has probably gone around
150 million revolutions so that is how many rotations of the belt? Why not
just get a comparable sized belt from the lawnmower service outfit and use
that so you can save even more money. After all, it is just a piece of
molded rubber. Maybe the elastic from your underwear will work.

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

On Aug 25, 8:58 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
> <fpo...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:eac9d83d-20b2-4c84-ab5e-b4668358b68b@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it
> > to do the water pump at the same time on the GLS? Also, is there
> > really a difference in quality between different brands of belts? I
> > see one kit @ Advance Auto for $183.95...and for a belt and a couple
> > of tensioners I can't help but think how much of that is really
> > margin. I mean...it's just a piece of rubber and a couple of molded
> > metal circles. I saw another kit on ebay for $85, which, while still
> > expensive for what it is, is not nearly as much of a hit. Is there a
> > considerable difference in reliability & life expectancy?
>
> Well of course there is Fred. If you've done any amount of work on a car ever - and I'm guessing you've done some, then you certainly understand that quality is all over the map. There can be some good deals to be had from ebay, and there is some junk to be had too. I wouldn't put anything but a Gates belt in my car. Don't know what brand the belt is you saw on ebay. Belts typically run around $40-$80 on the aftermarket, depending on where you live and if you get any discount off of list. I sure as hell would not go for any bargain belt. Likewise for the tensioners. While it's open, it would be smart to throw a water pump in it.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREM...@alltel.net

Thanks Mike,

The kit I'm looking at on eBay is made by PCI (Preferred Components,
Inc)...I don't have any experience with them myself but perhaps
someone else does. The one @ Advance is a goodyear kit which, after
some more studying, is probably a superior kit. I'll have to call the
dealer later today and get a price on an OEM kit, though to be honest
I've never really been happy with them in the past...not since they
told me I needed new wires only to get the same problem back after
dropping $130 and finding out the problem was in the coilpack.

Considering that it only needs to be done every ~60,000 miles, and
it's an interference engine, probably a bit better off paying for a
better kit. I'll also have to look and see if I can find out what
else should be done at ~130k.

Would still like to find a more graphical guide than the HMAService
one. That's mainly what I'm looking for

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

On Aug 25, 10:08 am, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> <fpo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it
> > to do the water pump at the same time on the GLS?
>
> Your choice, but if you have to do the water pump next month or next year,
> you have to do the exact same labor to get to the pump. I'd replace it now.
>
> Also, is there
>
> > really a difference in quality between different brands of belts? I
> > see one kit @ Advance Auto for $183.95...and for a belt and a couple
> > of tensioners I can't help but think how much of that is really
> > margin. I mean...it's just a piece of rubber and a couple of molded
> > metal circles.
>
> Just a piece of rubber? Do the math. The engine has probably gone around
> 150 million revolutions so that is how many rotations of the belt? Why not
> just get a comparable sized belt from the lawnmower service outfit and use
> that so you can save even more money. After all, it is just a piece of
> molded rubber. Maybe the elastic from your underwear will work.

You're right Ed, after thinking about it some more it probably isn't
worth it to skimp on the belt...it's just that it seems like a lot of
money for a belt, when considering that it probably only costs about
$15 tops to manufacture the whole kit. I understand quality is
important and I will be going for a more recognized name, but thinking
about how much of that is margin is just sickening. I guess that's
the case with most long-term maintenance parts though.

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

fpocai@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
> I'm coming due for my timing belt replacement soon on my 2000 Sonata
> GLS. Since I'll probably have another car to drive in the meantime,
> I'm thinking I'll try to do it myself. Is there a guide anywhere on
> how to remove and replace it?
> Any tips or tricks on getting to it? Looks like it'd be easiest to
> get access by taking off the right front wheel and splash panel and
> getting at it that way.
>
> HMS has some good info, but a guide with pictures and not just
> difficult-to-interpret sketches would probably be best.
>
> I haven't done much work inside of engines before but I do have a
> timing light and all the necessary tools.
>
> A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it
> to do the water pump at the same time on the GLS? Also, is there
> really a difference in quality between different brands of belts? I
> see one kit @ Advance Auto for $183.95...and for a belt and a couple
> of tensioners I can't help but think how much of that is really
> margin.
> I mean...it's just a piece of rubber and a couple of molded
> metal circles.
If that's your idea of a timing belt, I'll recommend that you stay at
least 2 feet away from your engine.
Let the pro's dealt with it, you'll blow-up your engine.

> I saw another kit on ebay for $85, which, while still
> expensive for what it is, is not nearly as much of a hit. Is there a
> considerable difference in reliability& life expectancy?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Fred
>

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

<fpocai@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> You're right Ed, after thinking about it some more it probably isn't
> worth it to skimp on the belt...it's just that it seems like a lot of
> money for a belt, when considering that it probably only costs about
> $15 tops to manufacture the whole kit. I understand quality is
> important and I will be going for a more recognized name, but thinking
> about how much of that is margin is just sickening. I guess that's
> the case with most long-term maintenance parts though.

You have to let go of that margin hangup. That's the way of the world.
Think of it this way - how much markup is there in what you do for a living?


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mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

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<fpocai@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Would still like to find a more graphical guide than the HMAService
> one. That's mainly what I'm looking for

I'm not aware of one, but then again, I've never really looked for one.
It's a pretty straight forward job though, and more detail isn't really all
that necessary. Remove everything you have to in order to get to the front
of the engine, remove the front of the engine, replace the belt, the
tensioner, the water pump, and put it all back together. Remember that
completing the job and discovering 20% extra fasteners left over is
considered proper.

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mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

<fpocai@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> You're right Ed, after thinking about it some more it probably isn't
> worth it to skimp on the belt...it's just that it seems like a lot of
> money for a belt, when considering that it probably only costs about
> $15 tops to manufacture the whole kit. I understand quality is
> important and I will be going for a more recognized name, but thinking
> about how much of that is margin is just sickening. I guess that's
> the case with most long-term maintenance parts though.

Most items retail for at least 4X the cost of manufacture. Then you have to
look at people paying $2 for a bottle of water.

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or a
factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay. Wouldn't
touch that with a ten foot pole. Not for something as important as a
timing belt on an interference engine.

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"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or a
> factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay. Wouldn't
> touch that with a ten foot pole. Not for something as important as a
> timing belt on an interference engine.
>
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Oops. I'm new to the group, and only read it because I rather like
Hyundais, based on renting one a few years ago. I didn't realize that
Hyundais are interference engines....are they ALL interference in all
models? If so, my ardor for Hyundais is rapidly fading......
>

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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>> I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or a
>> factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay.
>> Wouldn't
>> touch that with a ten foot pole. Not for something as important as a
>> timing belt on an interference engine.
>>
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>
> Oops. I'm new to the group, and only read it because I rather like
> Hyundais, based on renting one a few years ago. I didn't realize that
> Hyundais are interference engines....are they ALL interference in all
> models? If so, my ardor for Hyundais is rapidly fading......
>>
>
>

I think the new Sonata's have a timing chain, but the rule of thumb for a
Hyundai is timing belt and interference engine. And I agree with
you...unless there is a really good excuse for an interference engine I
don't see any reason to buy one. As far as I can tell, the Hyundai
interference engines are not vastly superior to other non- interference
engines that are available. So, one has to wonder why Hyundai has so many
interference designs. It is clearly not what the people want, although most
probably don't realize they don't want it when they buy the car, only later
when it breaks or when the bill comes for the recommended maintenance.
Comments?

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:b6a3f1938850f5b5902e8c8282d5bf85@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>> I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or a
>> factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay.
>> Wouldn't
>> touch that with a ten foot pole. Not for something as important as a
>> timing belt on an interference engine.
>>
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>
> Oops. I'm new to the group, and only read it because I rather like
> Hyundais, based on renting one a few years ago. I didn't realize that
> Hyundais are interference engines....are they ALL interference in all
> models? If so, my ardor for Hyundais is rapidly fading......
>>

The Sonata and 6 cylinder SantaFe are timing chain, not belt. I'm not sure
of some of the others. What model are you interested in?

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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
>> news:b6a3f1938850f5b5902e8c8282d5bf85@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>> I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or a
>>> factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay.
>>> Wouldn't
>>> touch that with a ten foot pole. Not for something as important as a
>>> timing belt on an interference engine.
>>>
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>>
>> Oops. I'm new to the group, and only read it because I rather like
>> Hyundais, based on renting one a few years ago. I didn't realize that
>> Hyundais are interference engines....are they ALL interference in all
>> models? If so, my ardor for Hyundais is rapidly fading......
>>>
>
> The Sonata and 6 cylinder SantaFe are timing chain, not belt. I'm not
> sure of some of the others. What model are you interested in?
I like the Elantra and the Sonata.... thanks for the info re: timing
chains.

Re: Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
 

2006 and newer Sonatas have chain. Older Sonatas and all Elantras use belt
drive. As I recall, the maintenance interval on the timing belt was
increased to something like 7 years/105k beginning with the 2007 Elantra.

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