Waxing new car ... Questions
I'm picking up my brand new car tonight (2006 Hyundai Elantra VE 5 Door
in Midnight Blue) and I'd like to baby it a bit, so I'm hoping to give it a good waxing this weekend. I've got a few questions though. First off, the brands that I have access to are Mothers, Meguiar's, Eagle One, Turtle Wax, Simoniz, DuPont, and NuFinish. I've looked around and other brands are pretty hard for me to get, so no point in recommending them ... Now for the questions. Should I be using any sort of polish? I know Meguiar's has their three step process they recommend, Cleaner, Polish, Wax. However, don't polishes actually remove some of the existing clear coat (or paint if there's no clear coat)? If no polish, should I bother with a special cleaner? I'm worried about the cleaner being too harsh and also removing some of the existing finish on the car. On a new car is it best just to wash it good with soap, dry, and then wax? Or should I be doing something extra? Now onto recommendations ... I don't always have time to spend on the car, so the longer the wax lasts the better. Which leads me to believe that I'm probably better of with one of those synthetic ?polymer? finishes, not carnauba wax, since they are supposed to last longer. Correct? I've read that Eagle One Gold Class is pretty good, but I can't find any comments about how long it lasts. Also I'm not sure if it's carnauba wax or polymer based. Btw, is the paste and liquid stuff both just as good? I haven't been able to find too many other recommendations for polymer based stuff from the brands mentioned above. Unless I should be sticking with carnauba wax, in which case I've read that Mother's Pure Carnauba wax is good ... again does it matter whether it's the paste or liquid? Thank you for taking the time to help out, Harry |
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you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just
wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. nate |
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fake.e-mail@stonyx.com wrote in
news:1125503678.796181.289420@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com: > I'm picking up my brand new car tonight (2006 Hyundai Elantra VE 5 > Door in Midnight Blue) and I'd like to baby it a bit, so I'm hoping to > give it a good waxing this weekend. I've got a few questions though. > First off, the brands that I have access to are Mothers, Meguiar's, > Eagle One, Turtle Wax, Simoniz, DuPont, and NuFinish. I've looked > around and other brands are pretty hard for me to get, so no point in > recommending them ... Have you searched online? Take a look at http://www.autogeek.net/ or http://froogle.google.com if you have a specific product in mind. > Now for the questions. Should I be using any sort of polish? I know > Meguiar's has their three step process they recommend, Cleaner, > Polish, Wax. However, don't polishes actually remove some of the > existing clear coat (or paint if there's no clear coat)? If no > polish, should I bother with a special cleaner? I'm worried about the > cleaner being too harsh and also removing some of the existing finish > on the car. Not sure if you want to clean/polish a new car. You might check with the service people at the dealership. > On a new car is it best just to wash it good with soap, dry, and then > wax? Or should I be doing something extra? > > Now onto recommendations ... I don't always have time to spend on the > car, so the longer the wax lasts the better. Which leads me to > believe that I'm probably better of with one of those synthetic > ?polymer? finishes, not carnauba wax, since they are supposed to last > longer. Correct? Yes, it is generally true that synthetics last longer. Some would argue pure carnauba yields a better look. This is a subject of much debate, especially with the sheer number of products out there. > I've read that Eagle One Gold Class is pretty good, but I can't find > any comments about how long it lasts. Also I'm not sure if it's > carnauba wax or polymer based. Btw, is the paste and liquid stuff > both just as good? The label should distinctly say carnauba or polymer/synthetic. Google? > I haven't been able to find too many other recommendations for polymer > based stuff from the brands mentioned above. Unless I should be > sticking with carnauba wax, in which case I've read that Mother's Pure > Carnauba wax is good ... again does it matter whether it's the paste > or liquid? Klasse (synthetic) is worth a look. I used the sealant glaze on an older car. You might have to order it online. Liquid will usually be easier to apply than paste. YMMV > Thank you for taking the time to help out, > Harry > |
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I'd pick up a Porter Cable 7424 dual-action (i.e. "beginner safe") polisher.
Follow it with a good glaze and then a wax of your choice (polymers clean up nicely). Maybe "Meguiar's Proper Machine Polishing Video" while you're at it. Helps speed up the process and produces a very nice wet-like shine when done. I used some 3M Glazing Compound that helped to eliminate a lot of the factory orange peel surface defects. The Meguiar's Polymer wax (about $15) worked well and came off easier than most waxes (I believe it has some carnauba in it). The Meguiar's website has an online user customizable feature that will guide you through the use a the products. Mack |
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On 31 Aug 2005 09:21:31 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:
>you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just >wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. **Do NOT or ever use dish soap. That aside, you probably don't need to wax your new car just yet though I would wax it in Oct or Nov just before winter. Also, don't use Armor All inside. Cloths are important also. Use the softest of soft 100% cotton cloths and also microfiber cloths are nice as they grab the residue (i.e., doing that post-wax wipedown) instead of pushing it around. kaboomie |
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First, never, ever, use dish soap as was recommended above. It will RUIN
your paint. Unless your car has been sitting in a storage yard for a long time it shouldn't need any sort of cleaner or compound to prep before waxing. Wash it using a soap designed specifically for washing cars. A few years back Consumer Reports tested all kinds of car waxes. Nu Finish got the highest rating, it's also a lot less expensive than the more exotic brands. Nothing against Meguires, Mothers or others, just that a new car shouldn't need any special care products. |
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Curious ... why no Armor All?
Thanks, Harry |
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kaboom wrote: > On 31 Aug 2005 09:21:31 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just > >wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. > > **Do NOT or ever use dish soap. That aside, you probably don't need to > wax your new car just yet though I would wax it in Oct or Nov just > before winter. Also, don't use Armor All inside. I agree in general, but what's the harm if you're going to wax immediately? It will clean more thoroughly than regular car wash. > > Cloths are important also. Use the softest of soft 100% cotton cloths > and also microfiber cloths are nice as they grab the residue (i.e., > doing that post-wax wipedown) instead of pushing it around. > agreed... nate |
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fake.e-m...@stonyx.com wrote: > Curious ... why no Armor All? Story I've heard is that it strips the plasticizers from the surfaces and replaces them with its own chemicals, and if you ever stop using it you'll end up with a hideous, cracked mess. That said, I don't like it anyway - too shiny and attracts dirt. Personally I've had good luck with a wipedown with a mild Murphy's Oil Soap solution (seriously) and some Meguiar's vinyl and rubber protectant if you feel the need to use same. You don't need to worry about this hopefully but my secret weapon for old, hard vinyl is hand cleaner with lanolin, rubbed into a toothbrush and left to sit, then buffed with a terry cloth towel. Seriously. nate |
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On 31 Aug 2005 10:24:34 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >kaboom wrote: >> On 31 Aug 2005 09:21:31 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just >> >wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. >> >> **Do NOT or ever use dish soap. That aside, you probably don't need to >> wax your new car just yet though I would wax it in Oct or Nov just >> before winter. Also, don't use Armor All inside. > >I agree in general, but what's the harm if you're going to wax >immediately? It will clean more thoroughly than regular car wash. **It'll trash the paint. I've seen it firsthand as a lady who lived below me at one time, used Joy on her Miata. I've never seen a car that was a couple of years old with a paint job so darn bad on it. Completely dull (it looked like bare matte finish paint...really weird) and scratched to hell. I've only seen paint like that on cars that've been in junkyards. Car wash liquid is cheap and, at this point, he probably doesn't need anything 'gritty' to clean his car. kaboomicus |
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On 31 Aug 2005 10:27:14 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >fake.e-m...@stonyx.com wrote: >> Curious ... why no Armor All? > >Story I've heard is that it strips the plasticizers from the surfaces >and replaces them with its own chemicals, and if you ever stop using it >you'll end up with a hideous, cracked mess. > >That said, I don't like it anyway - too shiny and attracts dirt. **Yes to the above and yes to too shiny. Bleah! >Personally I've had good luck with a wipedown with a mild Murphy's Oil >Soap solution (seriously) and some Meguiar's vinyl and rubber >protectant if you feel the need to use same. **I use a dampened cloth to swipe down surfaces, let it dry. If I find, say a drop or two of soda sticky, then I might use the dampened paper towel that I used to clean the windows to clean up that spot. Then I used a swiffer thingie that my brother in law gave me to try and it was awesome! Just a light brush against surfaces picked up all the dust and dirt and it does a good job getting in vents and stuff like that. I just looked it up online, it's a Swiffer duster. kaboomie |
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I just realized, it's not Eage One Gold Class, it's Meguiar's Gold
Class. Just wanted to point that out ... my mistake. I was thinking of Eagle One Black Magic, which apparently is supposed to be decent too .... any info on how long it lasts? Btw, if it's polymer based, can I automatically assume that it will last longer than a carnauba wax based wax? Thanks, Harry |
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Yep, swiffers for the bi-weekly dusting, plain warm water and a sponge for
the mild cleaning and Mr. Clean magic eraser for the tough scuffs. No soaps!!! I have a 10-year old Caravan and the dash looks brand new still (and it is not garaged at home or at work either). Never had soap or anything else on it on it but plain water. "kaboom" <kaboomicus@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:4315efd3.13102812@news.snet.sbcglobal.net... > On 31 Aug 2005 10:27:14 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >>fake.e-m...@stonyx.com wrote: >>> Curious ... why no Armor All? >> >>Story I've heard is that it strips the plasticizers from the surfaces >>and replaces them with its own chemicals, and if you ever stop using it >>you'll end up with a hideous, cracked mess. >> >>That said, I don't like it anyway - too shiny and attracts dirt. > > **Yes to the above and yes to too shiny. Bleah! > >>Personally I've had good luck with a wipedown with a mild Murphy's Oil >>Soap solution (seriously) and some Meguiar's vinyl and rubber >>protectant if you feel the need to use same. > > **I use a dampened cloth to swipe down surfaces, let it dry. If I > find, say a drop or two of soda sticky, then I might use the dampened > paper towel that I used to clean the windows to clean up that spot. > Then I used a swiffer thingie that my brother in law gave me to try > and it was awesome! Just a light brush against surfaces picked up all > the dust and dirt and it does a good job getting in vents and stuff > like that. > > I just looked it up online, it's a Swiffer duster. > > kaboomie |
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At least the dish soaps of the 1960's and 1970's sure did...it dulls the
finish fairly quickly. I haven't used dish soap for 25 years...been afraid to. "kaboom" <kaboomicus@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:4315ee23.12671281@news.snet.sbcglobal.net... > On 31 Aug 2005 10:24:34 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >>kaboom wrote: >>> On 31 Aug 2005 09:21:31 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just >>> >wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. >>> >>> **Do NOT or ever use dish soap. That aside, you probably don't need to >>> wax your new car just yet though I would wax it in Oct or Nov just >>> before winter. Also, don't use Armor All inside. >> >>I agree in general, but what's the harm if you're going to wax >>immediately? It will clean more thoroughly than regular car wash. > > **It'll trash the paint. I've seen it firsthand as a lady who lived > below me at one time, used Joy on her Miata. I've never seen a car > that was a couple of years old with a paint job so darn bad on it. > Completely dull (it looked like bare matte finish paint...really > weird) and scratched to hell. I've only seen paint like that on cars > that've been in junkyards. Car wash liquid is cheap and, at this > point, he probably doesn't need anything 'gritty' to clean his car. > > kaboomicus |
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Regular household soap will remove all existing wax on your vehicle. I
would use household soap only if you plan on waxing the vehicle afterwards. I use Nanowax on both of my cars. It works very good. |
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On 31 Aug 2005 08:54:38 -0700, fake.e-mail@stonyx.com wrote:
>I'm picking up my brand new car tonight (2006 Hyundai Elantra VE 5 Door >in Midnight Blue) and I'd like to baby it a bit, so I'm hoping to give >it a good waxing this weekend. I've got a few questions though. First >off, the brands that I have access to are Mothers, Meguiar's, Eagle >One, Turtle Wax, Simoniz, DuPont, and NuFinish. I've looked around and >other brands are pretty hard for me to get, so no point in recommending >them ... Well you have access to the Internet, obviously, so the product I use and recommend is available to you there. Some may consider this heresy, but I use a product called Perma Shield. It is a polymer Teflon formula. It gives a glassy VERY high shine and is as easy to use a regular wax, easier, actually, and lasts for a very long time. I recently sold a 1993 Nissan Pickup that was a true red, which, as I sure you know, is a color that normally oxidizes worse than any other. That truck was never garaged a single day, in a hot, bright inland Southern California climate. I would put a coat of Perma Shield on the truck maybe once a year. When I sold it the finish looked like new. Normally when you wax a red vehicle, even one taken care of fairly well, you will see some red color on the cloth as it takes off some oxidized paint. On that Nissan the was simply no red, there was NO apparent oxidation. Oh well, I am raving on, sorry. This is one product I would do a commercial for if asked. And I have NO connection to the company. If interested you can go to the Perma Shield site at www.permashield.net. Good luck with your new car. I am driving a 2004 Sonata LX and could not be happier with it. |
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I was only suggesting it as a one time cleanup, not a regular practice.
Haven't done it myself, although if I'm going to do bodywork on a car I use dish soap for the first wash to get all the wax off so it doesn't load up my sandpaper. Maybe a clay bar would be better for a new car then...? nate James C. Reeves wrote: > At least the dish soaps of the 1960's and 1970's sure did...it dulls the > finish fairly quickly. I haven't used dish soap for 25 years...been afraid > to. > > > "kaboom" <kaboomicus@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message > news:4315ee23.12671281@news.snet.sbcglobal.net... > > On 31 Aug 2005 10:24:34 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >>kaboom wrote: > >>> On 31 Aug 2005 09:21:31 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> >you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just > >>> >wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. > >>> > >>> **Do NOT or ever use dish soap. That aside, you probably don't need to > >>> wax your new car just yet though I would wax it in Oct or Nov just > >>> before winter. Also, don't use Armor All inside. > >> > >>I agree in general, but what's the harm if you're going to wax > >>immediately? It will clean more thoroughly than regular car wash. > > > > **It'll trash the paint. I've seen it firsthand as a lady who lived > > below me at one time, used Joy on her Miata. I've never seen a car > > that was a couple of years old with a paint job so darn bad on it. > > Completely dull (it looked like bare matte finish paint...really > > weird) and scratched to hell. I've only seen paint like that on cars > > that've been in junkyards. Car wash liquid is cheap and, at this > > point, he probably doesn't need anything 'gritty' to clean his car. > > > > kaboomicus |
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On 1 Sep 2005 07:17:03 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I was only suggesting it as a one time cleanup, not a regular practice. > Haven't done it myself, although if I'm going to do bodywork on a car >I use dish soap for the first wash to get all the wax off so it doesn't >load up my sandpaper. Maybe a clay bar would be better for a new car >then...? **Afternoon, Nate :) I think a clay bar would be good. The clear coat is actually an extraordinarily thin layer, a detailer described it as: Imagine Saran Wrap stretched incredibly tightly over your thumb nail. I don't think cars of today can handle dish soap. Even though I don't think Harry needs to clay bar as of yet (he should've gotten the car already detailed), a clay bar is a great idea. I had forgotten about that, thanks Nate. kaboomie |
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Clay Bar is only to be used for cleaning dirt that's imbedded in the
paint. It's very time consuming and not needed for a brand new vehicle |
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> "Hurricane1000" wrote:
> Clay Bar is only to be used for cleaning dirt that's imbedded in the > paint. It's very time consuming and not needed for a brand new vehicle Not necessarily. My new car (then Saturn) had what they call "Rail Dust" in the paint. The car had some sort of protective film (Cosmoline?) on it, but it wasn't enough. The dust kicked up by the train actually imbedded little metal particles that looked like rust spots in the paint. If left too long, they would have yellowed the paint around the imbedded particles (white car). Dealer had to clay and glaze the whole car. No doubt junk falls in the cars while on the truck car-haulers as well. This is noted in some of GM's SRs to the dealers as well. B~ |
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"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1125505291.636583.174340@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just > wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. > Nate, you have quite a large collection of classic cars to still think that dish soap is a suitable car wash agent. Dish soap has harsh detergents in it (to lift grease out of your way) that are way to harsh to use on your car if you want to have any sort of wax remain on the paint for more that six or eight car washes. Use any brand of car wash soap, and use alot of it to lift the dirt away from the finish as you wash. Bernard |
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dish soap also strips away the natural oils of the paint finnish
"Bernard Farquart" <bernardfarquart@removehotmail.com> wrote in message news:cvednYGRwPbFRIbeRVn-jA@comcast.com... > > "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1125505291.636583.174340@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... >> you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just >> wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. >> > Nate, you have quite a large collection of classic cars > to still think that dish soap is a suitable car wash agent. > > Dish soap has harsh detergents in it (to lift grease out of your way) > that are way to harsh to use on your car if you want to have > any sort of wax remain on the paint for more that six or eight car washes. > > Use any brand of car wash soap, and use alot of it to lift the dirt > away from the finish as you wash. > > Bernard > > > |
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'Just wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice.
nate' Reply: DO NOT use dish soap ; it takes the wax off of the car. Use proper Car Wash like Turtle Wax concentrated Car Wash. According to a comprehensive study done, the 2 top leading Waxes are : P21S and Zaino P21S outshined Zaino by a tad, but, Zaino was the most durable. Both cannot be store bought. These are what Classic Car finatics use . Go to www.zainobros.com for more info and pics on what a car looks like after applying this product. Its not cheap, but the shine and durability is really incredible. |
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i really like my meguires gold glass/class for clear coats, blue polly is
good too "Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message news:13144-431E252C-2064@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net... > 'Just wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. > nate' > > Reply: DO NOT use dish soap ; it takes the wax off of the car. Use > proper Car Wash like Turtle Wax concentrated Car Wash. According to a > comprehensive study done, the 2 top leading Waxes are : P21S and Zaino > P21S outshined Zaino by a tad, but, Zaino was the most durable. Both > cannot be store bought. These are what Classic Car finatics use . Go to > www.zainobros.com for more info and pics on what a car looks like > after applying this product. Its not cheap, but the shine and > durability is really incredible. > |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:02:36 -0700, "wtrplnet" <wd12@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLexcite.com> wrote:
>First, never, ever, use dish soap as was recommended above. It will RUIN >your paint. > >Unless your car has been sitting in a storage yard for a long time it >shouldn't need any sort of cleaner or compound to prep before waxing. Wash >it using a soap designed specifically for washing cars. > >A few years back Consumer Reports tested all kinds of car waxes. Nu Finish >got the highest rating, it's also a lot less expensive than the more exotic >brands. Nothing against Meguires, Mothers or others, just that a new car >shouldn't need any special care products. > I use Nu Finish, only. Excellent results on my 2000 Saturn (finish like new) and my 2004 Sonata. True, use a soap designed for cars ONLY. Strong soaps will ruin your finish, it's too harsh. I learned the hard way. : ( Brian |
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On 31 Aug 2005 10:24:34 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I agree in general, but what's the harm if you're going to wax >immediately? It will clean more thoroughly than regular car wash. Ummm.. waxing and washing are two differsnt things? Brian |
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'Ummm.. waxing and washing are two differsnt things?
Brian' Reply: Yes indeed. Washing is removing the loose dirt on a cars surface ; waxing is protecting the surface once its cleaned. Actually, to do it correctly, one should use a special Clay Bar after the washing and before the waxing ; a Clay Bar removes deeply engrained road grime and other fine debris and makes the surface extremely smooth . |
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I have also just picked up a brand new 2005 Elantra SE and would like to
know what I should do to protect the dash and the seats. I read that some don't like Armour All. Any other suggestions? The last new car I use 3M ScotchGuard on the seats and carpet. Any suggestions? Thx! |
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i use formula 2001, comes in a bright green bottle
"Alan B" <notachance@hereIam> wrote in message news:kuWdneFK15bOGYLeRVn-jw@rogers.com... >I have also just picked up a brand new 2005 Elantra SE and would like to >know what I should do to protect the dash and the seats. > > I read that some don't like Armour All. Any other suggestions? > > The last new car I use 3M ScotchGuard on the seats and carpet. Any > suggestions? > > Thx! > |
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N8N wrote:
> > >Just > > >wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice. > It will clean more thoroughly than regular car wash. You want to tell that to my wife, who *formulates them*? No; it doesn't clean more thoroughly and it isn't formulated to remove stuff like bug gutz, manure splatter, & asphalt/tar residue. Just buy the Kit Car Wash and leave the Dawn in the kitchen. -- C.R. Krieger (Who gets it free.) |
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