Where's the Hybrids!
 

With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!

Re: Where's the Hybrids!
 

yuup hyundais draggin there ass on the hybrid thing for northamerica.
id love a diesel, even more so a hybrid diesel =)
<theawesome1@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
>

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its about 3.70 here for a gallon, 1.00 a litre, im glad we have a accent.
"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> yuup hyundais draggin there ass on the hybrid thing for northamerica.
> id love a diesel, even more so a hybrid diesel =)
> <theawesome1@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:1112823000.159441.262470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
>> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
>> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
>>
>
>

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<theawesome1@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
>

I'm almost looking forward to the $3.50 a gall July price spike....It'll get
a bunch of idiots off the roads here.
Should lead back to car pools and lighter traffic. Huge mammoth trucks
driven by 4'11'' soccer moms with a I'm getting even with the world
attitudes tend to annoy me. 6K LB Trucks with only a driver might be a bit
rarer on the parkways. Two car families might go back to having 1 good size
sedan and a small runabout for the short 1 person trips vs a Suburban &
Hummer. Cafe rules might force a fleet mileage increase for once vs the
current Loophole heaven.

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arent you the lucky one gas just hit $102.9 cents per LITRE here in
Canada on vancouver island...


<theawesome1@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
>

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"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| yuup hyundais draggin there ass on the hybrid thing for
northamerica.
| id love a diesel, even more so a hybrid diesel =)

Diesel = cough, choke: particulates. Stink.
On the other hand, there's something called "clean diesel." I
don't know how really clean it is. Gas is, of course, more
refined, so inherantly cleaner-burning. Good idea.

Richard

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"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| > yuup hyundais draggin there ass on the hybrid thing for
northamerica.

I think we can let the Koreans off the hook about this one. I'll
explain. I've discovered that here in Silicon Valley, Korean
companies have actually been doing their R&D. I suspect that a
good amount of their auto design (certainly styling) has been
done in California, too (Los Angeles, in this case).

There are some aspects of American engineering that I've found in
my Sonata. I can't talk much yet about this because I haven't had
the car long. But my ears really perked up when Hyundaitech
reported that my transmission actually has a drain plug: Hooray!
That's the way American engineers like to design, and it's what
you'd get in an American car before the penny-pinching cost
vultures suck the quality out.

My Ford Aerostar had no coolant bleed valve. You know how you
bleed the air form a Ford Aerostar? Simple: you tilt the entire
goddamn van and wait for the bubbles to go to the top. You do
this three times. Who decided to remove the bleed valve and why?

We can excuse the Koreans because they've not been in the car
business that long, and they've done rather nicely, considering.

The US carmakers have no such excuse. Honda was working on a
solar car in 1974. Was Detroit? Detroit car makers have behaved
as if oil people sit on their boards. There's no other
explanation I can think of to explain why they'd rather lose huge
amounts of business to foreign firms than to make an efficient
car.

I've seen a patent for a hybrid American truck dated 1926!
Various forms of regeneration have been used in electric
railroads since the early 20th Century. We had a good example
here in the American West until surrounding mergers put the
carrier under.

Dunno.

It would seem that we would benefit from a Federal incentive
crash program for domestic efficient cars -- hybrids certainly.
Will the current Administration or Congress step up to the plate
on this one? What would the patriotic thing be to do?

Richard

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wow a 2 c difference, not much actually, but i wonder how high its going to
go?
Im smack in middle of canada just 4 hrs from manitoba border in ont
"Pete" <range1@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> arent you the lucky one gas just hit $102.9 cents per LITRE here in
> Canada on vancouver island...
>
>
> <theawesome1@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:1112823000.159441.262470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
>> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
>> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
>>
>
>

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diesels ive seen rarely smoke or stink, the tdi's
"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:0cZ4e.18684$Fy3.1046237@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> | yuup hyundais draggin there ass on the hybrid thing for
> northamerica.
> | id love a diesel, even more so a hybrid diesel =)
>
> Diesel = cough, choke: particulates. Stink.
> On the other hand, there's something called "clean diesel." I
> don't know how really clean it is. Gas is, of course, more
> refined, so inherantly cleaner-burning. Good idea.
>
> Richard
>

Re: Where's the Hybrids!
 

Jody wrote:
> diesels ive seen rarely smoke or stink, the tdi's

I've seen diesels that didn't smoke, but they all stink.

Re: Where's the Hybrids!
 

theawesome1@despammed.com wrote:
> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!

So why did you buy a Santa Fe? Get rid of it and buy an Accent. Problem
solved.

Re: Where's the Hybrids!
 

"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:0cZ4e.18684$Fy3.1046237@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> | yuup hyundais draggin there ass on the hybrid thing for
> northamerica.
> | id love a diesel, even more so a hybrid diesel =)
>
> Diesel = cough, choke: particulates. Stink.
> On the other hand, there's something called "clean diesel." I
> don't know how really clean it is. Gas is, of course, more
> refined, so inherantly cleaner-burning. Good idea.
>
> Richard
>

Until we get cleaner, higher quality diesel in the US that is cheaper to buy
than regular unleaded (as is the case in the UK), diesels really aren't
going to take off. If the best selling 1 series BMW in the UK is the
120D -- and not just because of the cheaper fuel and better mileage -- then
it proves it is possible to create a DERV that doesn't sound like a piece of
farm equipment at idle or at speed.

Diesel has a bad reputation in the US, and that needs to change.

Re: Where's the Hybrids!
 

Well, I don't really know enough about technology, but I have owned a
few cars

If an Hyundai hybrid (comparable to the Honda & Toyota hybrids) can be
acquired retail in the high U.S . Dollar teens, then here's some easy
predictions:

10. Detroit & its other competitors will try to suppress it via malign
p.r. techniques
9. There will be a Hyundai hybrid waiting list ad infinitum
9. The usual idiotic U.S. politicians will say, "duh, we're full of
bullshite," just as they've been saying to themselves with their
fingers up their ...since 1973
8. Newspaper new car ad sales will be "bye-bye," because who cares
about that bait 'n switch garbage they advertise in color rotogravure
7. TV car ads ditto, especially during the 11pm news
6. ________________ will accuse Korea of unfair trade practices (The
usual schmuckes & whoever)
5. The SUV will be put into museums with dinosaurs where it fuggin
belongs
4. Andy Rooney will throw a pie at a $3 a gallon gasolene sign at the
end of a SIXTY MINUTES about war in the Middle East to protect oil
....after a Morley Bradley Wallace Stahl Craft piece called "CATCH 22 Is
Alive & Well, Suckers"
3.--1. that's enuff, while i beg the fates at hyundai for it to happen
asap

Re: Where's the Hybrids!
 

We had been purchasing Chrysler products exclusively since the late 70s, but
bought a Hyudai Accent for my son as a Christmas present in 2003. We bought
a Hyundai 350L for my wife last November. Within the next few months, I be
ready to buy a new vehicle for myself, but it won't be a Hyundai.

I've decided my next vehicle will be a hybrid, and that eliminates Hyundai
from consideration. Hyundai now produces a quality product... just not the
right product... at least not for me!

Re: Where's the Hybrids!
 

There is a long article in the actual ATLANTA CONSTITUTION this morning
regarding the hybrid car situation

www.ajc.com

If anybody can find & link/post it, please do--just be sure to note it
is "copyrighted 2005 by the ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION" if ya post it

The usual fools have got it hidden, or whatever their interneter
does
with some of their more important articles

Here's what I recall while coffeeing:

The bad news: Toyota has mucho hybrid patents--85 patents or whatever

The semi-good news: Toyota licenses a patent to Ford for its SUV
Explorer hybrid

My perception: Toyota isn't gonna allow a major & incredibly growing
competitor Hyundai to do what's manifestly in the overall world's
public interest asap: cost-beneficial retail hybrid car available in
the upper teens of U.S. Dollars (a third or so less than the Prius
sells for)

The Prius sells for in the high 20's, or do I have this wrong?

That's the way (I subjectively perceive) catch 22 marketplace reality
so often is

Meanwhile, hey, let's just spend ourselves & heirs into financial
dependence oblivion for that cheap (yeah, sure) !@#$%^&*()_+ Middle
Eastern -tinged f'ing oil, so that the marketplace can work
its perverse magic

Caveat: The above are my opinions, and if ya think otherwise, then I
hope you're correct, because I have a sense of tragedy/absurdity of
which I would not want to be reality but fear it is close to the
truth(s)

Tell me that approx current Prius/Hyundai
$10,000 difference doesn't substantially matter to you