Mini Cooper S Vs. 94' Si coupe
 

The mini was GF's car (2003) and the Civic was my friends


The civic just has intake & straight piped. 5spd
The Mini. 2003 S version. 6spd

We did three runs, I was driving the Civic and My friend was driving my gfs car.

Weight comparisons. Mini is 5kg heavier.

1st run. Civic wins, but Mini starts pulling in 4th.
2nd run. I miss shift. Mini wins
3rd run. Civic wins. but this time Mini doesn't pull but stays level at about 1 car length away.


Now I am guessing the power difference in accordance to specs are 120 for civic, and around 163 for mini.
With consideration to the mods to the civic, Was it driver error? or is the Mini just slower than I thought it was? I was just personally surprised.

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So if I drove the mini, and my friend his car. Do you believe the results may differ? give some explinations. Just cause I don't have mass amounts of knowledge on the Mini, and not that much on the civic.

And in terms of drivers. My friend and I are pretty equal in terms of driving experience.


This civic also beat my dad's Infiniti i30 2001 (which I was not surprised about) As well as my brothers Mazda 3.

This civic also had quite an edge on a 94 Hatch si with the same bolt ons and went for 5 runs, all five times my friends coupe won (about a car length each time). I was just pointing this out because it seems this civic has something else. He bought the car used and only put on the bolt ons i mentioned. Nothing else.

Hopefully this helps. Because I want to find out if there is something else done to this Civic that my friend is not aware of.

There very well might be something done. You never know with a used civic.
Personally I would redo the race with civic vs mini, but swap drivers to make sure it wasnt a driver thing. If you get the same results, then maybe have someone experienced take a look at it.
I had a friend buy a used miata, he was complaining that it was very sluggish, and decided to take it to a mechanic. They fixed the problem, which i dont recall anymore, but in the process they figured out his engine had completely built internals, high compression pistons, and a really aggressive cam. Boy did that thing fly afterwards.
So I guess you never know what you get.

It seems it would be driver but the 94' Si coupe v.s. the mini, the mini has 163 but that would be a big diver error, try racing again and as the super charged ones from what i read have quite a bit of leg apparently. as super chargers are know for some leg. and if he added any bolt ons it could effect it, but do check the civic look to see if its v-tec or something of some sort. Does he have any other bolt ons besides the intake?

^^ Superchargers dont have lag. But he's right about the VTEC YO!!! :P

Right i did not put that in right terms the supercharged mini is good for lower end but the higher end is slower That what i ment to say Thanks Premium Dude

Yes the civic does have v-tech. But if it was BIG driver error as you suggested, then it would be really noticable no? In all three runs, the Mini start was good but it started pulling more in 4th. but by that time it was over. The Civic had it on 1st-3rd (has a intake and straight pipe).

As for the Mini. my gf didnt do anything to it. She just got it about a month ago, it is a stock 2003 Cooper S. Also a factor that may affect it (im not 100% sure on this) is wheather the Stability controll was on or not. Most likely it was off cause i remember him telling me thats the frist thing he took off when he got in.

Well I just did some analyzing, and the numbers are interesting.
Mini: 161hp, 155 torque, 2720lb, 6800rpm
Civic: 130hp, 110 torque, 2300lb (if its a d16y8), 7100rpm
OR Civic: 160hp, 110 torque, 2300lb (if its a b16), 8200rpm

Now we have a strange problem here, with a ton of variables to consider. Biggest problem is that I do not know what engine is in your civic. It would be great if you could provide us with the year and model of the civic.
Now mini and b16 civic have almost identical hp ratings, but torque is way lower for the civic. However, the civic weighs 400lb less, and has an additional 1400 rpm range till redline. Which could easily give it an advantage.
However if we consider the d16 civic, it still weighs 400lb less, but has 30 less horses and 45 less torque. Although it still holds a higher redline by 300 rpm.

So if I were to judge it by the numbers, a b16 civic would have put up a great fight and might have indeed come out the winner. A d16 would have had more trouble, and if it was a d16, it could come down to things like tires.

the stability control would affect a little maby if he squaked the tires if he had it on which you said he did not and which it would help him. i looked at the specs and the only other thing is crapy desighn. ill let you know if i find out any different.

ok the civic does have v-tec i read that wrong the first time, so your civic or your friends civc is producing around the same hp 150-160 and maby a little more torque or around the same. I know this for a fact because i might be getting a civc hatch with a B18A1 v-tec 150-160 or my freind will be im hoping ill get it but yeah that would solve it thought

i have a mini cooper S, a 03 at that.. gearing on first is too tall for drag racing... u wont see many minis, modified under 14s at the quater mile... now.. get it on a highway.. third all the way to fifth's redline is the mini's sweet zone... especially in first, idle to 3k takes FOREVER!! now.. if u drop clutch at 4k... the mini'd likely smoke the civic.. (i did say likely... im no drag racer) and personally have never beaten anyone on the street (minis hang pretty well with supercharged and turbocharged miatas at solo2 though)

stock MCS ive seen mid 15s.... u do the math

First of all a 160hp mini should walk all over a mostly stock civic si. My only guess is that it is driver error.

A b18a is a NON-vtec engine. Unless you are going to build an LS vtec, you have no idea what you're talking about.

The civic does not have a B16. If it did you would know it. A B16 civic would severely beat both a stock civic and a mini cooper S. The civic has a d16 that makes 127hp.

And lastly "v-tech" is a phone.

First to my friend 4gen i was reffering to a b18a that i will be getting to compare not not saying it was in his car! also im converting a b18a1 block to dohc v-tec in a bit and yes you can do it. a civc si 94 does have a d16, and you can have v-tec and he might have internals he doisint know about! so get your facts right befor hand!

If he can only pull 1 car on a civic with a similar setup, his car is nothing special. He is merely a better driver.

The B18a "conversion" that you talked about is reffered to an LS vtec as I previously mentioned. It is a B18a or b block with a DOHC vtec head on it.

yes it can be reffered to that but i reffer to it as dohc v-tec dosint really matter. And his car is b18a? wtf and if it is then you run more compression with that head on the b18a.

I never said that his car has a B18. I don't know where you're getting that from.

no i asked if you said that because i didnot understand what u were trying to say but its all good sorry

There is more then one DOHC VTEC engine, so if you dont specify that its a "ls-vtec", who will know what you mean?

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The civic has a D series motor. We re-did the race last weekend. The out come? the same.

This time I drove the Mini as oppose to my friend driving the mini.

He drove his Civic Si.

This time around I also made sure I took off the traction controll in the Mini, I launched from 4000 RPM so did he. We both got amazing starts all three times we did it. But he jumped ahead this time a little less, but still like 1 and a half car lengths away. He stayed steady at that untill I hit 4th in the mini.

Still confused as to what else the Civic may have done to it.

Side note:

- Both cars were warmed up properly
- Both cars recently had oil change
- Both on Winter's (mini with Pirelli Winter Sports)
And to clarify the models and years of both cars
- 1994 Civic Si Coupe with D series motor v-tech
*Stright Pipe
*Intake
- 2003 Mini Cooper S

no, not post . just dont give a **** about this bitching about which motor this civic has.

Then don't read it. Skip over it, and get on with you life.

the mcs may seem fast on paper, but its not designed to be a drag car.. nuff said... under skilled hands, tops stock minis will do low 16s, high 15s....

http://www.ross-tech.net/andy/mini/d...artermile.html

this is the link from a US source for minis which have done 'offical' drag stripe 1/4 mile runs... as you guys can see, high 15s

also, is the mini running larger diameter wheels? if the civic runs 14' winters and the mini runs 16' winters, or worse 17'... it'd of course make a difference...

not trying hard to defend the mini btw.... but i just gotta say, despite its a great car, its not the fastest on the straight line, especially off in 1st or 2nd, because gearing is absolutely horrid.... (wayy too tall!)

^ Very true. The car was running on 17'' winters, the civic 15'' i think. Sorry, forgot to mention that.

When you're that close in hp/weight....there are two things to consider:

1: the engine's torque/horsepower curve and
2: gearing (both transmission and third member)

Even when my truck was bone stock I could get a jump on some VTEC Civics off the line. Why? 'Cuz I had more torque at 2500RPM than they did throughout their entire rev range. Also, (point #2) my truck being a truck is geared low for hauling/towing. 3.73 rear + very low 1/2/3 gears means it's fairly snappy off the line, but (in stock form) hit 80-100 and it completely runs out of steam...just where something like a high-revving DOHC motor wakes up. Of course by the time they hit 5000+ RPM in 2nd I was seeing Civic taillights lol.

Gearing: I had a '79 2dr Caprice with a mildly massaged engine. Cam, heads, straight piped, intake, ignition. And yet...it was slower than either one of my '77 Caprices when they were stock (same engine/transmission). Why? my '79 came with a 2.41 rear end...absolute junk for off-the-line racing.

All driver, the Mini-S should DESTROY a Si Civic...no contest...
Perhaps he's hiding something...

First of all a 160hp mini should walk all over a mostly stock civic si. My only guess is that it is driver error.

A b18a is a NON-vtec engine. Unless you are going to build an LS vtec, you have no idea what you're talking about.

The civic does not have a B16. If it did you would know it. A B16 civic would severely beat both a stock civic and a mini cooper S. The civic has a d16 that makes 127hp.

And lastly "v-tech" is a phone.

im with him :)

a b16 civic will not severly beat anything.