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2TONE_93GT 02-15-2008 11:08 PM

Turban-Wearing Motorcyclist Fights Law That Forces Helmets
 

It's an intriguing dilemma in a multicultural society: what happens when the rights of an individual clash with the laws of society? The latest dilemma revolves around a Sikh man named Baljinder Badesha (pictured). He was ticketed in 2005 for not wearing a motorcycle helmet as he cruised the streets near his Brampton home.

But he wasn't being lazy, defiant or forgetful. Instead, Badesha claimed his faith mandates that he wear only a turban and that nothing should touch it, including a motorcycle helmet. He was fined $110, a punishment he's now fighting in court with the backing of the Ontario Human Rights Commission.

The Commission agrees that the father of four is being discriminated against.

"The reason he can't wear a helmet is that he wears his turban, as you can see," said attorney Mel Sokolsky. "This is a very profound and sincere religious belief of Mr. Badesha as a devout Sikh."

"My religion says we cannot put anything over the turban," Badesha stresses.

But at a Friday hearing into the controversial case, the Crown insisted the fine remain in place.

The Ontario Safety League, (O.S.L.) agrees, noting that a brain injury as a result of not wearing a helmet could cost the public health care system anywhere from $300,000 to millions.

"Wear a helmet or don't ride a motorcycle. That's the law in Ontario. And that's the law that should stand as a result of this," argues Brian Patterson of the O.S.L.

"The military requires you to wear a military helmet at all times," he continues. "And in the labour side, you've got to wear appropriate headgear when operating forklifts or heavy equipment or on construction sites. That's been challenged, and the helmet side won."

Exceptions to the rule have been made in B.C. and Manitoba. And the commission claims losing the case wouldn't be a disaster for prosecutors, because future exceptions would still have to be decided on a case-by-case basis.

The dispute has raised new concerns about the need for safety vs. the freedom of religion. Many believe the latter should come first and that it's in the public interest that the law mandate people protect themselves while indulging in activities that could leave them facing severe injury.

But others contend that the man in question is an adult and he should be able to make his own decision in the name of his faith. Human Rights Commissioner Barbara Hall agrees.

"Rights like freedom of religion are not absolute, but there is a requirement if people request accommodation to explore whether or not it makes sense," she explains. "And it means going through ... scientific tests ... [to determine] what happens to a turban at high speed, to determine where is the risk, and is it an acceptable level of risk? ... There are a number of situations where people in Ontario currently have exemptions from the Highway Traffic Act."

But callers to Citytv's CityOnline disagree, calling it a foolish precedent. "I think this is a totally ridiculous thing," criticizes a woman named Andrea. "It's safety first. It's nothing to do with religious aspects. If you have to wear a helmet, this is Canada. It's in Ontario. It's in the Highway Act. What happens if he gets hit by a car? Is his turban going to protect his head more than a helmet would?"

DDM 02-16-2008 02:26 AM

the way I see it... if you don't wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle you deserve to get a ticket. There shouldn't be any exceptions because of "religion". If the law states you have to wear a helmet in order to ride a motorcycle then wear the mother****ing helmet or don't ride the bike!

Kuztom Freak 02-17-2008 05:48 PM

Dude says he's a grown man and knows the risks of not wearing a helmet, so should that mean that you dont need to follow laws if you decide to "risk" it - maybe wearing a seatbelt offends me. Wear a terbine instead of whats required, well now thats reverse discrimination against the rest of us.

Maybe I'll go walk into a temple, not take off my shoes, and sing at the top of my lungs and bring some slutty girls with me - if Im asked to leave - I'll sue them cuz they discriminated against me and MY beliefs regardless of the fact that I was on THEIR property, see how they like it.

judgez24 02-17-2008 06:26 PM

http://www.gtcars.ca/online/rants-sm...think-lol.html

Mr-Rumble 02-17-2008 08:46 PM

All I Gotta Say Is There R Stupid Ppl From Every Background. The Woman Who Was Sayin She Wanted To Keep Her Hejab On Should Stay At Home Or Go Back Home. The Guy With The Helmet Issue Will Learn When His Beard Gets Caught In The Wheel Of The Bike N He Goes For A Ride. All In All Half These Ppl That Are Asking For These Changes Should Not Even Be Taken Seriously. Waist Of Time

i posted on the other page as well lol ill copy n paste here as well

judgez24 02-18-2008 12:44 PM

thing is its becoming a huge issue, and i bet the gov makes exceptions bnecause they dont wanna offend the over populating minorities.

kiwee 02-18-2008 02:28 PM

ditto from the other post.......

monopoly 02-19-2008 11:33 AM

Any they wonder why our insurance rates are so high...
wear a bucket or GTFO...seriously protect your brain dude.

Ironman 02-19-2008 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by DDM (Post 376481)
the way I see it... if you don't wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle you deserve to get a ticket. There shouldn't be any exceptions because of "religion". If the law states you have to wear a helmet in order to ride a motorcycle then wear the mother****ing helmet or don't ride the bike!

Aye boss!!...would u being saying that if your were a turban wearing dude urself? I am Latino and Carabien. I don't wear a turban myself but think about it.....just because he has to follow his religion...does that give us the right to stop him from riding a bike...which might be a passion to him just like how it is to me and all the other riders.

If the man can't wear a helmet becuz of his religion and that it wouldn't fit...then leave him...Let him ryde without it under his own responsibility.

And by the way....how many people do u KNOW who obey the law?? Are you going to tell me that you are a pope and has never broken a law in his life??

Respect people and their differences because at the end ...we are all human! we all have feelings, and emotions. and we all bleed the same colour of blood.

judgez24 02-19-2008 06:34 PM

hes been riding for a short period of time, its hardly become a passion to him. hes causing a stink because itll get publicity for his car dealership. thats all it is. its simple, there are rules so he should follow them. its like me saying, when i lived in germany i used to travel the autobahn alot and therefore i dont need to follow the speed limit here either. let him ride without a helmet and keep taking tickets.

also it makes me wonder, how tight does he get that around his head, hes gotta have velcro or something holding it down because at highway speeds i can see it going for a ride and turning into a hiway soccer match

Charlie_Chaos 02-19-2008 07:27 PM

They don't HAVE to wear a turban. Just a head covering. There's plenty that could fit under a large helmet.

I am sick of people comming to our country cause it's so great and then telling us how to change it.

If you went to pakistan and told them to change one of there laws they'd hang your ass.

We need a new Motto. Canada : Love it or leave it.

December 25th is Christmas

March 23 is Easter Sunday

We say the lords prayer before house of commons proceedings

You take your head covering off when they play the national anthem.

If you don't like it .... Get the hell out!!

Ironman 02-19-2008 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Charlie_Chaos (Post 377101)
They don't HAVE to wear a turban. Just a head covering. There's plenty that could fit under a large helmet.

I am sick of people comming to our country cause it's so great and then telling us how to change it.

If you went to pakistan and told them to change one of there laws they'd hang your ass.

We need a new Motto. Canada : Love it or leave it.

December 25th is Christmas

March 23 is Easter Sunday

We say the lords prayer before house of commons proceedings

You take your head covering off when they play the national anthem.

If you don't like it .... Get the hell out!!

Dude!! Unless you are an aboriginal!! Whats the hell makes you think this is your country??? The aboriganals owned this country b4 anyone did!! "Our country"...relax yourself...

Kuztom Freak 02-19-2008 10:58 PM


IRONMAN

Dude!! Unless you are an aboriginal!! Whats the hell makes you think this is your country??? The aboriganals owned this country b4 anyone did!! "Our country"...relax yourself...

Aboriginals - Im soo tired of hearing that B.S. The aboriginals tried to hide the fact that remains were found that belonged to the caucasoid class, but given aboriginal rights and powers, they were allowed to conceal this as per government legislation regarding old burial sites (saying cuz the remains were found on whats is now their land, that it MUST be indian and you white ppl cant touch it = we dont want the world knowing that we we NOT here first). Whats this mean - it means white man was here thousands of yrs before the so called native indians, they migrated here along the old "land bridge" from Russia as well as using other means to get HERE, not to meantion the old Norse (Vikings). So that story is moot. Add to that the fact they sold "their" land to the hoards of Euro settlers - not my fault they sold soo much soo cheap, then they complain, boo hoo.

Dont get me wrong - Im not trying to come off sounding racist or anything - just that facts are facts, just like the Jews did NOT suffer the worlds larges holocaust, not even close, but they sure bring it up ALL the fukken time.

Heres a link about the "Kennewick Man." and other remains of white ppl 9,000 yrs older than the native indians - just look around the net, read a journal, pick up a book, educate yourself, cuz this is old news buddy, in fact its more than 12 yrs old, so update yerself.

http://keelynet.com/unclass/cauc.htm


Evidence suggests whites settled Americas First

The remains of probably the oldest North American ever found have been recovered in Washington State. The 9,300-year-old skeleton is 90 percent complete and belongs to a Caucasoid male.
By Louis Beam
(Originally published in the SPOTLIGHT, 10/13/1997)

One of the most complete prehistoric skeletons ever unearthed in the Americas was discovered near Kennewick, Washington in July of 1996. It was dubbed "Kennewick Man."

Now it is the subject of a court battle between anthropologists who desire to learn all they can about it, and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which wants to cover it up, both literally and figuratively.

The Corps of Engineers wishes to turn this remarkable find over to American Indian tribes who want it reburied without further study based on the claim the skeleton is an "Indian" and therefore should not be desecrated by being studied.

The discovery of a 9,000-year-old Caucasoid in the United States has led to a breaking down of "an iron curtain of silence" which had existed in the news media and among some archaeologists and anthropologists.

It turns out at least six other Caucasoid skeletons, older than any Mongoloid Indian remains known in North America, have been found. These include the nearly 10,000-year old mummy of a Caucasoid male found in Spirit Cave, Nevada, and the skeletal remains of a nine-year-old Caucasoid female child found in Nevada of equal antiquity.

From their graves, men, women and children are speaking to us, and their tale is that of an ancient culture, stretching at the least from Arizona to Washington state. Their story, long unknown, now partially uncovered, rushes to greet us from the misty depths of the past - a sensational story of life and death in America BC.

Interestingly enough the Kennewick Man had imbedded in his pelvic girdle a two-inch Clovis spear-point of gray volcanic rock evidently thrown by an enemy with probable intent to kill. Kennewick Man survived the attack but the spear- point remained imbedded in his hip.

There is little proof there was a single Indian of Siberian extraction in the entire Northwest when Kennewick Man lived, hunted and fought there. The present Indians in that region are believed to have been there less than 1,000 years, which makes them the invaders. Kennewick Man and his people are the "native Americans" of the Northwest, for whatever that is worth.

In fact, such terms as "first," "original" and "native" really have no scientific or historical context in this time period, as so little is known (and if the federal government has its way little will be known) of the era.

But such terms are convenient and useful for present-day social engineers to provide preferential treatment to one class at the expense of another.

As one lawyer involved in the court case stated, "A lot of their [Indian] pride and claims might not be true, and that might impact them in financially adverse ways."

This may explain in part the veil of secrecy that has surrounded the other ancient Caucasoid people found, as well as attempts to prevent further studies, among the most important of which, for proper classification of remains, would be DNA testing.

In southern Idaho the skeletal remains of a 10,600-year-old woman, found in a gravel quarry near the town of Buhl, were reburied in December, 1991.

The Shoshone-Bannocks - believed by many scientists to have moved into the area less than 1,000 years ago - claimed the remains were those of a dead ancestor.

Tribal officials exercising authority newly granted them by the federal government refused permission for archeologists to perform DNA tests and chemical analyses that would provide clues as to the racial origin of the skeleton, as well as other valuable information.

WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?

Most Americans, taught the Bering Strait theory as an explanation for the peopling of America, are unaware it is no longer seen as the sole explanation for the presence of man on these continents.

Archeological finds in South America, on the Eastern Seaboard of the United States and elsewhere show conclusively that there were several distinct and separate migrations of different racial groups to the Americas.

Recent studies point to the hypothesis of a "North Atlantic Crescent" which existed between Europe and North America, with both water and ice serving as a "bridge" between the two continents.

It is clear also from genetic DNA sequencing that there was more than one migratory event. Indeed, as one DNA study bluntly stated, "The notion of a homogeneous Amerindian genetic pool does not conform with these and other results."

Mummies of Caucasoid nobles buried in temples were found in ancient cities of South America.

As ruins continue to yield their secrets it now appears many of the ancient pre-Columbian civilizations were seafaring peoples with a long tradition of open-sea sailing.

Rather than walking 10,000 miles from Mongolia to Chile, it now seems the "first Americans" may have sailed. And where they came from is yet to be firmly resolved.

Peru, Chile and Ecuador are all revealing long-forgotten cities of ancient peoples classified as racially Caucasoid, such as redheaded mummies in pre- Inca graves in Peru. This is not the history taught in the public schools.

NEW IDEAS

Pre-Columbian tombs are shattering the adage that "dead men tell no tales."

The exciting tales they relate will force the rewriting of pre-Columbian history. Shattered will be the myth of "Indians" as the first Americans.

Also shattered will be the credibility of those who view the advancement of mankind as a series of events and developments independent of outside influence from distant cultures. This is a school of thought that became popular in American universities in the 1960s along with "progressive socialism" and bell-bottom pants.

Such thinking mutated in the once hallowed halls of academia into a form of politically correct archaeology that has greatly hindered the interpretation and understanding of American prehistory.

Great steps in understanding the origins of the American past are being made, and they are being done so over the academically dead bodies of fearful, politically correct, social historians, who now find themselves haunted by the long-dead bodies of stone-age Americans.

Some archeologists have built empires based upon theories resembling in magnitude the Mayan citystates just before their collapse. They see for themselves now an uncertain future in their chosen field where their long-held notions are increasingly seen as relics. When the DNA lab returns are in they will be out for job retraining.

You should research the history of Canada, it has grown from a few original colonies, other states and provinces WANTED TO GOIN UP forming what is now Canada. They then made the laws way back then.

Fact of the matter is that Canada has laws. Many religions say that anyone who does not worship YOUR god is the enemy, destroy, conquer, exterminate them. My roots go back to Paganism - so can I just snatch some virgin from somewhere and sacrifice her cuz my "beliefs" give me that right????

I remember just within the last lil while - Mulsims (or someone close to) wanted to have a seperate MUslim judicial system just for themselves where they could punish others outside of Canadian law - so should they have the right to pour battery acid on some female cuz she dishounoured them - gimmie a fukken break man.
Where does it stop???

judgez24 02-20-2008 07:32 AM

good read man and good info. i say if they wanna follow their own laws and beliefs they should just move back home. you adapt if you come here, we shouldnt have to adapt for everyone jsut to make them happy. im pretty tired of hearing of the indians myself, they have free schooling, tax breaks and way more than everyone else can ask for and yet they still complain about everything. and almost every full indian ive met has been a dumbshit. going to college only to drop out cause they were lazy and then they have to pay back the tuition rather than sticking with it and getting the courses for free. thats just my rant on indians for today, lol.

i agree though, if you come here, follow our laws, if you dont like it then leave, if we went to any of their countrys and said for example, hey you guys cant stop and pray on you carpets x amount of times per day, we'd get on for it. as i said, this is jsut a way for this jackass to get attention, if you read the article it mentions his car dealership, its just a ploy for him to get more business and to create a stink and to waste tax payers money

2TONE_93GT 02-20-2008 12:30 PM

Well, here is something i came across in the star about it.


Precedents buoy Sikh's turban fight, lawyer says

Judge may consider law in other jurisdictions, past rulings on turbans
Feb 20, 2008 04:30 AM
Tracy Huffman
Staff Reporter

Helmet laws are designed to protect those who ride motorcycles and save millions in public health-care spending, a Crown attorney has argued in a controversial case in Brampton.

But laws in other jurisdictions should persuade a judge to toss out a ticket against a Sikh man wearing a turban instead of a helmet, says a lawyer who has researched the law as it relates to Sikh culture.

"There has to be a basic commitment to observe the common law," said Sat Gosal, a Mississauga lawyer, who has followed Baljinder Badesha's case in the media. "There is enough historical religious precedence to say his belief is genuine."

Badesha – supported by the Ontario Human Rights Commission – has been fighting a $110 ticket he received in September 2005 for wearing his turban instead of a helmet while riding his motorcycle.

Badesha, a married father of four, said he feels his religious beliefs require him to wear a turban outside of his home and prohibit him from wearing a helmet.

"I think he will win," said Gosal.

Some believe the turban is not a religious requirement, but baptized Sikhs make a commitment to wear it at all times outside the home, he said. It identifies the wearer "as someone who is committed to these sets of religious beliefs."

Case law supports Badesha's case, he said. The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 1990 that Baltej Singh Dhillon, an RCMP officer, would be allowed to wear a turban on the job.

More recent cases have led to exemptions for Sikhs who ride motorcycles in British Columbia, Manitoba, England and India. To rule against Badesha would be like asking those jurisdictions, "Why did you codify the law?" Gosal said.

Although Gosal acknowledges the issue of safety – Crown attorney Michael Dunn has argued helmet laws protect from head injuries and wasted health-care spending – the only person at harm is Badesha.

Badesha, 39, has said he understands the risks of riding without a helmet and is willing to take them for his religious beliefs.

Dunn has said Badesha's beliefs are not being contested, but he remains unconvinced by the argument that denying access to riders without helmets violates constitutional rights. "There is no suggestion that riding a motorcycle is a protected religious belief," he said last week. "Riding a motorcycle, that is significantly different than the interests that have been found to be violated ... in other cases."

Justice James Blacklock has reserved his decision until March 6.
Damn, bullshit if he is allowed to ride without a helmet.


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