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08-08-2005, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
The per capita murder rate in the GTA is the lowest of all major Canadian urban areas, and also the lowest of all North American cities.
Most murders occur in the home or in the workplace, are not premediated, and involve spouses, relations, or close friends. Most of the rest are gang related, often retaliation killings. There are very few stranger on stranger killings in Toronto other than the gang-on-gang hits.
How should we protect against spontaneous crime in the home or workplace? Shall we station cops inside every home?
Taking out the gangs sounds like an easy solution, but how shall we start? Just what is a gang? Every group of kids hanging out on a street corner? If so, the answer is obvious - arrest and search every kid hanging out on a street corner with otehr kids. Easy, right?
Street racers do not "intentionally go out to intentionally kill someone", so you say, but neither do drunk drivers. Should we lay off on drunk drivers too? People still die either way, whether by drunk driving or street racing. In fact, more people in the GTA die from auto crashes than by murder, so maybe we should move those cops off homicide and into traffic duties.
Most murders occur in the home or in the workplace, are not premediated, and involve spouses, relations, or close friends. Most of the rest are gang related, often retaliation killings. There are very few stranger on stranger killings in Toronto other than the gang-on-gang hits.
How should we protect against spontaneous crime in the home or workplace? Shall we station cops inside every home?
Taking out the gangs sounds like an easy solution, but how shall we start? Just what is a gang? Every group of kids hanging out on a street corner? If so, the answer is obvious - arrest and search every kid hanging out on a street corner with otehr kids. Easy, right?
Street racers do not "intentionally go out to intentionally kill someone", so you say, but neither do drunk drivers. Should we lay off on drunk drivers too? People still die either way, whether by drunk driving or street racing. In fact, more people in the GTA die from auto crashes than by murder, so maybe we should move those cops off homicide and into traffic duties.
the men in blue have lost the respect of the general public cause you have proved how crooked you are. I was pulled over 17 times in 18 months and only received 2 tickets... let alone the fact that one was completely dropped and the second was reduced. so whats your explanation for wasting half an hour of my time? are you serving and protecting?
I love how all cruisers have 'DEEDS SPEAK' on the in side of them. HEY PIG, DEEDS SPEAK - prove to us that we should respect your blue *** and do something worthwhile.
All this being said - I do know a few cops, and I know of one in specific that BUSTS HIS *** upholding the law. But BS HTA PIGS don't count!
08-08-2005, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
You know, speeding fines on the 400 series highways would be robbery except for the fact that the speed limits are consistent and clearly posted, are comparable to limits generally found across North America, and fines are issued only when a driver through carelessness or deliberate decision decides to disregard those limits even beyond that 10 to 20 kmph "forgiveness" factor in which most speeding occurs in.
08-08-2005, 01:26 PM
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First off let me say this: I do respect the police. I was in the Canadian Forces so we aren't too far apart on certain issues. I have friends who are cops, hell my Uncle's son is a cop. He talks to me about certain things he sees in the force so please dont lie to me about anything the police may or may not do. IMHO Project Erase is nothing more than a publicity stunt to detract from the huge black eye the Toronto Police have suffered from at the hands of a few members who I pray have been dealt with. So you say 40 people is acceptable? Tell that to the families involved and see how they take it. And 40 in one year is more than 29 over a few years. How do we prosecute gangs? The same way they went after biker gangs, anti gang laws. It is right there in black and white so dont play dumb on that issue. You know who the players are. You can do it, question is... will you?
08-08-2005, 01:41 PM
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Site of interest
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/new...stat050505.htm
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In 2003, more than 200 people died in drunk driving collisions. More than 500 others were seriously hurt.
In nine out of 10 drinking and driving deaths, the drinking driver was a man.
Most impaired drivers involved in collisions are between 19 and 24 years old.
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Found another web-site
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/saf...hp2_02.htm#2.1
quick overview of above for 2002
157,981 collisions in Ontario with 873 fatals, 84,192 injuries
total 53.8% of collisions result in injury of some kind
Just some insight into some stats, sorry unable to find 2004 stats...but it's government, can't expect them to move to fast
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/new...stat050505.htm
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clip-out-from above website
In 2003, more than 200 people died in drunk driving collisions. More than 500 others were seriously hurt.
In nine out of 10 drinking and driving deaths, the drinking driver was a man.
Most impaired drivers involved in collisions are between 19 and 24 years old.
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Found another web-site
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/saf...hp2_02.htm#2.1
quick overview of above for 2002
157,981 collisions in Ontario with 873 fatals, 84,192 injuries
total 53.8% of collisions result in injury of some kind
Just some insight into some stats, sorry unable to find 2004 stats...but it's government, can't expect them to move to fast
08-08-2005, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
The per capita murder rate in the GTA is the lowest of all major Canadian urban areas, and also the lowest of all North American cities.
That's from a Toronto Star article from August 5, and doesn't include the 5 or so shootings over the weekend including 3 just last night (2 were fatal). Let's also keep in mind that this is GTA only - does not include numbers from other jurisdictions in Ontario.
During the launch of project ERASE, police were quick to state that a whopping 29 deaths directly attributable to street racing have occurred in Ontario since 1999. Rounded up, that's 5 deaths a year.
Statistics clearly show where we should be allocating police resources, and it isn't in traffic services.
08-08-2005, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ricewagon94
IMHO Project Erase is nothing more than a publicity stunt to detract from the huge black eye the Toronto Police have suffered from at the hands of a few members who I pray have been dealt with. So you say 40 people is acceptable? Tell that to the families involved and see how they take it. And 40 in one year is more than 29 over a few years. How do we prosecute gangs? The same way they went after biker gangs, anti gang laws. It is right there in black and white so dont play dumb on that issue. You know who the players are. You can do it, question is... will you?
Project ERASE is effectively driven by York, Peel and OPP police, and those regions don't have much of a "black eye" to try and deflect. Toronto police play an absolutely minimal role in it.
The 29 over a few years is known street racing deaths. There are also a lot of unexplained single vehicle crashes in which high speed was involved, and for which there are vague accounts of possible racing activity involved, but not enough firm evidence by which to lay the blame on racing. Still, if 40 murders on one hand is too many in your eyes, but 29 street racing deaths is "ok", then at what point should we become concerned by innocent people dying needlessly?
So yes, by all means work to stop murders, which according to per capita murder rates is being done quite effectively in the GTA as compared to other jurisdictions, and ALSO go after the other causes of wrongful death, such as innocents being mowed down by drunk drivers and street racers.
Or are you saying that death by street racing is ok?
08-08-2005, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
The 29 over a few years is known street racing deaths. There are also a lot of unexplained single vehicle crashes in which high speed was involved, and for which there are vague accounts of possible racing activity involved, but not enough firm evidence by which to lay the blame on racing. Still, if 40 murders on one hand is too many in your eyes, but 29 street racing deaths is "ok", then at what point should we become concerned by innocent people dying needlessly?
40 deaths in 8 months.
Be a smart boy and do the math gldwngr. No deaths are ok. But when we're talking about resource allocation, the bigger problem logically should be getting more attention.
08-08-2005, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kazanak
29 deaths over 6 years.
40 deaths in 8 months.
Be a smart boy and do the math gldwngr. No deaths are ok. But when we're talking about resource allocation, the bigger problem logically should be getting more attention.
40 deaths in 8 months.
Be a smart boy and do the math gldwngr. No deaths are ok. But when we're talking about resource allocation, the bigger problem logically should be getting more attention.
Are you saying that those street racing deaths should be ignored?
Are you saying that street racing should be ignored until murders no longer occur on our streets?
In any case, do you have any idea of how resources are actually allocated by police departments? Do you really think that traffic takes more police resources than that allocated to street crime?
08-08-2005, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kazanak
29 deaths over 6 years.
40 deaths in 8 months.
40 deaths in 8 months.
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Let's compare apples to apples here............ someone please find
40 deaths by what? gun? knife? strangalation etc.....
For fairness on both side here..........
.............. total murders by all means is 40 in 8 months?
.............total deaths by vehicles is what in 8 months?
After someone finds these stats and for the same size area can we compare for EQUAL discussion as the current situation is not comparing the same items what so ever (all murders versus one mode of death by vehicle)
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08-08-2005, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
Are you saying that those street racing deaths should be ignored?
Are you saying that street racing should be ignored until murders no longer occur on our streets?
In any case, do you have any idea of how resources are actually allocated by police departments? Do you really think that traffic takes more police resources than that allocated to street crime?
Are you saying that street racing should be ignored until murders no longer occur on our streets?
In any case, do you have any idea of how resources are actually allocated by police departments? Do you really think that traffic takes more police resources than that allocated to street crime?
As I clearly stated, no deaths are acceptable. However, majority focus should be given to the obviously larger problem. Rather than puting resources into enforcing regulation that the police themselves do not obey, we should be putting these resources to positive use.
08-08-2005, 02:33 PM
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dear mr. pig,
as many have requested, we wish to see the ins and outs to these 29 deaths over 6 years. I highly doubt that they are due to organized street racing - which many of us engage in. Some jackass in his moms civic going 160 at 6:00 on the DVP DOESN'T COUNT AS STREET RACING.
god they really gave to start screening the idiots out of the police force.
as many have requested, we wish to see the ins and outs to these 29 deaths over 6 years. I highly doubt that they are due to organized street racing - which many of us engage in. Some jackass in his moms civic going 160 at 6:00 on the DVP DOESN'T COUNT AS STREET RACING.
god they really gave to start screening the idiots out of the police force.
08-08-2005, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rabbitman
I think gldwngr = BANNEDlater: or not.
So far gldwngr has shown a serious lack of reading comprehension skills, evaded questions, bullshitted people and was owned after almost every reply that he posted.
"god they really gave to start screening the idiots out of the police force."
This will never happen.. Police force has always been the last resort for people with a weak mental capability.
08-08-2005, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kazanak
gldwngr, I'd encourage you once again to read over posts carefully prior to responding. You'll find it will avoid redundant questions such as these.
As I clearly stated, no deaths are acceptable. However, majority focus should be given to the obviously larger problem. Rather than puting resources into enforcing regulation that the police themselves do not obey, we should be putting these resources to positive use.
As I clearly stated, no deaths are acceptable. However, majority focus should be given to the obviously larger problem. Rather than puting resources into enforcing regulation that the police themselves do not obey, we should be putting these resources to positive use.
Just how much of police resources do you think goes into traffic enforcement? What figure do you think that should be?
And what makes you so sure that the majority of police do not obey those regulations? I see a number of import drivers disobeying regs, but I don't take that observation to automatically infer that all import drivers are the same.
08-08-2005, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Arpus Obrut
Why ban him? I think that everyone, including stupid people should be allowed to post here.
So far gldwngr has shown a serious lack of reading comprehension skills, evaded questions, bullshitted people and was owned after almost every reply that he posted.
"god they really gave to start screening the idiots out of the police force."
This will never happen.. Police force has always been the last resort for people with a weak mental capability.
So far gldwngr has shown a serious lack of reading comprehension skills, evaded questions, bullshitted people and was owned after almost every reply that he posted.
"god they really gave to start screening the idiots out of the police force."
This will never happen.. Police force has always been the last resort for people with a weak mental capability.