gldwngr

Bullshitted people? With what? People have made a lot of claims here, but have not been able to back them up. I myself really like the one about the "Police Services Union".

ricewagon94

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Union, association, whatever. It is organized labour no matter how you label it. How much resources should be allocated to a gang war? As much as possible. I aksed you not to bullshit us about staistics and such, now I am going to talk to my cousin the police officer and find out the truth. So Mr. Goldwinger, are you going to climb down from your lofty horse and concede that the police are profiling once again (Which is against the rules) or am I going to dig deeper into the dirt and present it for all the board to see? Profiling is profiling, one way or another. If you cant do it racially, why not do it according to lifestyle. God forbid you would target the gay and lesbian community. They would hang your sorry *** out to dry in a heartbeat. Or other racial groups, their lawyers would slap a gag order on you so fast you would bounce. Back off, this is a free country. My tax dollars pay your wages so be careful how you talk to your boss.

Arpus Obrut

You've also made a lot of claims here that you were not able to back up.. Cops with university degrees handing out speeding tickets? Police officers not abusing their power?

ricewagon94 posted a few links where it clearly confirms the existance of the police union.. It even says who the leader of the police union is - Craig Bromell. The police union might not have all the powers of other "unions", but its still a union.

gldwngr

Associations are not unions. Unions have much more legal power than any association. There is a difference even if you cannot understand that.

Profiling is a perfectly legal policing and investigation tool in most cases. It's also an important tool. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well, you can make the probably conclusions.

Being gay or lesbian, or of a particular race or religion is not illegal, so profiling on the basis of that is inappropriate and a violation of a person's Charter rights. But profiling based on behaviour, consumption patterns, one's activities (including driving habits), one's associates, one travel habits, etc is perfectly legal. Lifestyle is often a good indicator of what a person is.

How do you think many crimes are solved? How do you think gang members are tentatively identified prior to them actually being caught doing a crime?

If you don't want to be treated like a duck, don't walk or quack like one.

B6T

You guys should try and be more civil in this thread. We could learn something if you guys stopped calling each other names... ie "mr pig".

Arpus Obrut

Bwuahahaha... this just made my day a little better!
Its not only the tax dollars, its also the money from tickets. Unfortunetly for you, i am going to fight my case to the end, and i'll get the best lawyer if i have to, and pay him a lot of money just to make sure that the pigs like the one who pulled me over dont get a dime from me.
Believe me or not, i actually had a lot of respect for police officers before this happened to me. I was never harassed, pulled over for "excessive noise", or even been treated impolitely by an officer. Sure, i heard stories, but i didnt really mind untill it happened to me. Now i will file a complain on every cop who deserves it (most do), report cop cars abusing their power, etc.

gldwngr

You seem amazed that cops can have university degrees. Maybe they're not as dumb as you think they are. Or maybe you're not as smart as you think you are.

Police not abusing there powers? Name me any one profession in which all of its members are squeaky clean. You can't, because there are bad apples in every group. Cops are no different.

Police unions are illegal in Ontario. Go look it up. Craig Brommell was the president of the Toronto Police Association. There is considerable legal difference in the powers and scope of an association versus that of a union. I've said that a few times now, but it seems your university education must not yet be complete, seeing as you are still not able to comprehend.

B6T

You were clearly speeding. Just be a man by accepting responsibility and pay the fine. You broke the law, no lawyer is going to be able to convince the judge otherwise.

Bullet

B6T - you're right... we could all learn something.

gldwngr - I would like you to answer one question, since you seem to avoid all of my others: Do you feel that the police force as a whole is upright, fair and just to every citizen they deal with?

Please answer this HONESTLY.

gldwngr

How old are you?

Unfortunately for me you will fight your ticket? How does that hurt me?

You'll pay a lawyer a lot of money and get the best lawyer? Go ahead, no skin off my back.

So the "pigs" like the one who pulled you over "won't get a dime"? News flash - he gets a paycheck whether he tickets you or not, whether you fight your ticket or not, whether you win that ticket or not. He won't get any extra if you do get convicted, and won't get any less if you're not.

Your rant is entertaining though. Come on, give us a visual image - were you foaming at the mouth while you were typing that silly rant out?

GinoLicious

Cops are doing all for our community. Street racers dont kill, its the gangs, how bout you guys fry those fuken fish and give up on the little fish. You guys really do need a life. And you know what I believe it, because how many times to you see a cop break the law, all the time and no one can do . You people abuse your powers. You all need to get a life and quit at the computer.

rabbitman

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Sorry couldn't resist. Love that emo.

GinoLicious

^^^ See if you represent all cops, then you all are asses, telling us to mature, look at you crying.

gldwngr

As a whole, yes, I do think that most cops are generally fair, but their degree of discretion in laying charges will certainly vary according to who they are dealing with. If you are seen to be polite and have a decently clean record, you'll get more breaks than the smartass or the guy already showing a record.

As for the bad apples, it may take a while, but they eventually get flushed. Even with the bad apples though, they usually tend to target their bad acts against people already in the system as bad actors. That's more like vigilante extrajudiciary punishment, which still isn't good, but not the same as bad cops screwing with the lives of innocent upstanding people.

Arpus Obrut

You cant even pretend that you can read normally, can you?
Just read the sentence before the one you are quoting. If it is too much to ask of you, i'll break it down for you - part of the cops pay checks come from the tickets that they hand out. If the court doesnt get my money, that would mean less money available to pay the cops.


And my theory about you not being able to read proves itself once again...

Yes, i was foaming at the mouth. Can you answer one question for me now? Just be honest FOR ONCE.
Why did you decide to become a police officer? Was it because you wanted to dedicate your life to serving and protecting the community, or was it because of the lack of an alternative, and getting 40 - 60+ K a year for not doing seemed like a better idea than busting your *** at construction?