redwards11

iTrader: (1)

ok i read the sticky about whats legal and not legal to mod on a car and i saw this:

I want to replace the seatbelts on this car with a racing harness

Racing harnesses are not DOT approved. Replacement seat belts cannot be marked “not for highway use” and the anchor points must be of adequate strength.

HTA 106(2) – Drive with seat belt assembly removed / inoperative / modified - $85.00/$110.00
Highway Traffic Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8

HTA O.Reg 611 Schedule 1 Section 1(1)(k) & (l) - Reference Section for HTA 84 – Operate unsafe vehicle – No Set Fine, Maximum $20,000.00 fine.
Highway Traffic Act - R.R.O. 1990, Reg. 611


my question is what if i am using a set that are DOT approved such as the Scrotch racing harneses? would i be exempt or would i still be fined? And would the law require me to use a harness bar to use the harnesses or can i use the seat bolt points?

kwikshifter

You must use the stock seat belts. You can wear them over the harness if you want. Harnesses are not legal.

slow_teg

i was stoped in a ride program last night about if people are drinking and driving......i have sparco seats with sparco harnesses and i was only wearing the harnesses and the cops didnt say anyhting about them. so being legal or not i think it all depends on if the cop cares.

6Msentra

they arent legal, and they are stupid to wear on the street.

bobjohnson

Im not sure if this is true, only for the fact most rally cars have harnesses, and most rallies require your car to be road legal... Rally of the Tall Pines comes to mind.

I think if you do it right, its not illegal. What theyre trying to prevent i think is morons who tack weld a harness bar to their b pillar, which is going to snap off and crack them in the back of the head if they ever did hit anything.

6Msentra

they also have a cage which makes wearing a regular seatbelt dangerous.
wearing harnesses without a full cage is also dangerous.

kwikshifter

Properly worn, a racing harness will restrict your movement enough in a stock car to be dangerous.

redwards11

iTrader: (1)

see this is the problem im having im not getting a definitive answer anywhere...i asked a cop yesterday and he just said honestly i dont know... the only reason im considering it is cause my belts are shot and need to be replaced, and it costs more for me to replace them than to buy new harnesses, if a harness bar is required i can weld one up no problem, and more than just to the b pillar it would be like the cusco ones thats avail for the dc2 integras

Bookm

You'll get the most authoritative answer by contacting the Ministry of Transportation. I called once about the legallity of sidepipes and got an immediated response (they're legal).

kwikshifter

HTA 106(2) – Drive with seat belt assembly removed / inoperative / modified - $85.00/$110.00
Highway Traffic Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8

That's what you posted and I suspect that is what they would ticket for. You have removed or modified the OEM equipment. Of course, you may never run into the officer who actually does. A proper harness will hold you tight enough that all you can reach is the steering wheel and shifter.

This is also another spot where your insurance company could drop you and/or refuse to pay a claim as you modified the safety equipment.

I would just get another seatbelt. You seem to want to use a harness......go for it. You may never get questioned on it.

6Msentra

DONT use a harness on the street unless your car has been suitably upgraded with a FULL rollcage that extends into the engine compartment (more than 10pts only please) and you are wearing a helmet and a hans device.

if you cant figure out why... ask dale earnhardt how heavy his head felt when he hit a wall and his body couldnt move because of the harness.

then take some looks at roofs caved in from crashes and ask yourself if you would like your head to be acting as the highest immovable point of your body in one of those crashes.

then take a look at a crash with an improper cage setup (typical 4pt) and see what happens on the street when a car with a 4pt gets rear ended and the driver ends up dead or paralysed because when the car crushed... the cage went with it and the harnesses crushed his spine. or even better when a harness bar perforates a body when it is pushed through during a t-bone crash.

fun stuff.

Kuztom Freak

I agree with everone on this - just buy a OEM replacement belt

racing harness is ok for racing, they suck if yer doing shoulder checks, reaching for the radio, glovebox, etc... (hopefully while not driving).

harnesses are for when yer going foreward and dont need to look anywhere else