svmagnum

Ok here is what i want to know since im trying to put in a half decent system in my van which will not cost me a lot of money.

Van: 1997 Plymouth Voyager.

Deck used: Panasonic CQ-C8313 U

First: How do i make the front tweeters produce any bass because it really pisses me of that they dont.

Second: Which speakers or what should i connect to my deck so that the rear speakers will be good on the lows too. SO that they will sound at least like a new car with a premium sound system in it. I dont really like the whole idea of the subwoofer because its just too much and there is basicly no good control of a sub level and it does need to be adjusted on almost every song.

I bought JBL rear and front speakers today (just to test it out and i will return them). Can you tell me please if they are good, because really they didnt make much of difference compared to stock ones except that they are better on the highs and produce clearer sound.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/prodde...42&catid=20116

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/prodde...19&catid=20112

Please help.

P.S> Seriously explain me please how the stock systems of new cars make the car shake without use of any subwoofers.

drifter420

your head unit more then likely isn't pushing enough RMS ( watts ) to properly power the aftermarket speakers.. there's no way you can get bass out of tweeters for your front.

If you really want BASS, and or like to play your music decently loud without wanting to sacrifice quality.. a Sub is the only way I"d suggest. You don't need to got top of the line or anything.. something in the 100-150 RMS range is more then enough.. The 6x9 or watever size speakers for front and rear is only good for mid and treble when the volume is turned up. IF you push some bass thru it.. it has a good chance of distorting since the speaker has to play the full range ( treble - mid - Bass )

With a sub you can eleviate the bass work to it.. thus control the speaker and sound quality better from the other.. Stock usually seems to sound better cause of the sensitivity level of the speakers and is designed to run on the RMS the stock HU pushes

You shouldn't need to constantly adjust the bass level if you have a sub unless the recoding level is different for each songs and or different genre of music.. some amp will have remote gain control

But I"ll wait for Jordy and Selective Sound to chime in.. they are the pro.. I'm just making wild guesses

svmagnum

its a good deck though i doubt that it isnt a match for a premier sound systems installed in cars.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...535&catid=1017

Seriously my Lancer 2004 standard stereo sounds better then the whole system that i have in van.

JordyO

Like drifter said... it's going to be nearly impossible to get proper bass without a sub.

Lets start at the begining though... first I think you're getting confused with some terminology.

Tweeters are very small speakers (like 1") that ONLY reproduce the very high end. Trying to put bass through them will make them blow because they just aren't made to reproduce those frequencies.

I'm assuming what you have are components or coaxials (usually 6.5" or so) ... these can produce some mid-bass... if you've got a really good pair then you may not even need a subwoofer... but then you need to make sure they've been properly installed. There's a lot more to it than just popping them in to the stock location.

Now.. if you REALLY want some bass... there's no way around it, you're going to need a sub and amp. You can get some subs to fit in to incredibly small boxes and that need only a little bit of power.

You said you're worried about not being able to adjust the subs output.. not a problem. Just make sure you get an amp with a remote gain ****. Just be careful... a gain **** is NOT a volume control. When you get your amp installed at Selective Sound (because it's the right thing to do!) just ask Davis to show you how to use it safely. He can get you set up with an idea of the max level you can turn it up to. Once that's done you can use it to help regulate the subs output. Again, I have to caution you though, make sure you don't abuse it because you can blow your sub if you send it a distorted signal from turning the **** up too high!

btw.. just buying those jbl speakers and installing them won't help... you'll want to amplify them to get decent output/sound out of them. A basic HU just doesn't put out enough power.

ribeiro953

first and formost tweeters arent made for bass there made to produce better clarity in your sound, your mids are for bass. second as others have pointed out you wont get the sound you want off of a deck you have to amplify them

JordyO

If mids are for bass... what are subs for?

Heh... actually... there are a lot of terms to define different frequencies. Generally though there is the following (from highest freq to lowest):

Highs
Mids
Mid-bass
Sub bass

svmagnum

Ok one more question.
I got Infinity Kappa series 6x9s for rear speakers. They are good but how do i install them properly cause now metal rattling noise coming out of the body of the car is too loud.

selective sound

iTrader: (5)

Get some brown bread and put it on the metal and put the speaker on top.

svmagnum

Ok i got it that installing sound system is way more then just connecting two wires.
What is brown bread?

gtcamry92

brown bread is a type of sound deadening material like the the $$Dynamat$$ material they sell at ur local futureshop..

it basically acts as an aid to all of the annoying vibrations and rattles you can get with some speaker installs...

it can also give the effect of ur system playing louder and cleaner depending on how and where u apply it..

and since the inside of ur car is such a small enclosed environment any type of vibration/rattling u can get rid of will definately improve ur SQ....

good luck

ribeiro953

i meant the bass he was striving for out of his tweets

svmagnum

OK now new question. Sorry but im trying to learn.
I bought a rockford fosgate T8004 Amplifier.
If i run my infinity Kappa series Rear speakers + A shitty sub that is 8ohm impedence and 200 Watts RMS. Will the amp fry it or it will be a good combination?
Second question so i basicly put this bread in between the metal part and the speakers - where the frame of speakers touches the metal and the whole rattling noise will be gone?

ribeiro953

THAT AMP HAS F**KING ***** with that amp go big or else you might blow em the speakers would be fine but dont go shitty sub

svmagnum

Well basicly that is the sub. It is the sub by itself taken out of the Z680 high end computer speaker system. Cause i used it too much the amp that was built in the speaker system got blown so i took everything off and left just the sub by itself. I have 2 similar subs. Tell me if it should be able to handle the amp that i have.
SUb is 8ohm impedence.

Logitech Z680 5.1 Channel Speaker System - Hot Hardware

By the way how much do you think a good price for that amp is? Just wondering if i got a good deal for it.

ribeiro953

less then a grand for that amp but wouldnt be surpriced if you could get it for like 900 or less. and even if that sub would work even though it probably wouldnt it would sound like give that amp what it deserves a nice t1 or equivelent