camaro94

yeah, and if mine went up almost $100, I wouldn't be able to afford it. It was going to go up almost $40 a month for me to get that 85 T/A and I couldn't afford that. When you have bills, a house, and things like that to take care of, you can't always afford it.

BubbaV6

I think I can squash the idea of me getting a Z-28 (I'm lucky getting any camaro as it is, let alone a red one). Heres why:

I have a total loss on my record (had a bad day, totaled my mom's gtp), so theres no hope for a V8 for about 3 years (when the crash is off the insurance record). Also, I live in California. And I happen to be 16.

Theres some **** good reasons for not getting a V8, lol.

NoRiceInside

yeah same for me. i totalled my last camaro when i was 16. im 18 now, but im not waiting another year. unlike danielle, i dont have any bills so i can afford insurance.

97z2801ss

so does WI

NCamaro94

i pay 71 for liability on the camaro, but full as a secondary on every other car, i have a good student discount. and i'm 16 in TN.

SLPowerZ

you forgot to tell him that stick is much more fun than auto, even if u are losing a couple tenths in the quarter. that and anyone can have a fast auto, it just depends on your bank account, having a stick that you can beat alot of cars with imo is more of an accomplishment because the majority of the racing is skill...as long as the cars are evenly matched of course. pretty much everyone already knows that i will argue that stick > auto for the street til i die. i mean, if you're planning on building a car strictly for weekends at the track and want to run consistent times cause you're competing in bracket races i would say auto, otherwise....

archemedes

I still don't think a stick is more fun, and 99% of the people I talk to who think that are under 25 does that say something to you?

SLPowerZ

most people get frustrated in the learning process and swear off sticks, people that live in heavily crowded areas get sick of em too.

SLPowerZ

i don't know if i agree totally that an auto is quicker than a stick when it goes through gears either....there's still a lag when an auto shifts, thats why they sell shift kits. i would imagine a stick w/ a short throw and good driver would shift just as quick as an auto w/ a shift kit

archemedes

an auto doesn't decouple from teh engine when it shifts the shift kit is to make them firmer

SLPowerZ

ya but theres always powershifting w/ a stick. i don't do it and wouldn't recommend it but theres the solution for the engine decoupling. i wish we could get an auto and a stick camaro of the same year, both bone stock and see how much diff the times are at the track. i bet ya i'd beat u arch

97z2801ss

6 speeds cool, but with auto u cant say I missed a shift haha

RFF

Auto + shift kit + 3000+ stall on the converter = ride of your life.

SLPowerZ

well i can't argue w/ that but i dunno, its just somethin about getting into a car w/ a stick that gets my heart racin. i love hammerin through gears, i love perfecting clutch work, i love everything about it. and like i said before, auto is the way to go if you have a car built specifically for the track, they're more consistent, they're easier to use, the whole nine. but i really dont think i'd ever give up my stick or my view that sticks make for a more fun time behind the wheel. and whenever someone asks me what they should buy if its gonna be a street car, i'd say stick, if they say they don't know how to drive one, i'd say learn. it's just like riding a bike, everyone that knows how to ride one how to go through the learning process at one point, and it was probably a pain in the *** and no fun, but once u learn it, u don't forget it u just get better at it

archemedes

the big problem I had with my stick was the last one I lived in Atlanta not a town to drive a stick in (during rush hour you get up to maybe 15 mph) professional drivers have said they would rather drive through LA rush hour than Atlanta, that kills any love for the things