Brampton soon to become its own country....
 

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If this happens, I will be packing my bags and heading back to the US.

Discuss.

I have no problem with people wanting to immigrate to Canada.

What I do have a problem with - is when they get here - they want laws to change to make their life easier.

For instance - in this article - they wanted their parents to be allowed to stay in Canada because they couldn't find a babysitter....WTF?!?!? A real Estate Agwent making 3% commision PLUS salary - cannot afford a baby sitter...BS. I know single mothers working in Call Centre's for $10/hr, who can afford day care on top of other living expenses.

The other - is the Turbanator fella - who feels he shouldn't have to wear a helmet to ride his motorcycle, because his religion doesnt accept covering his turban. Seriously now.....WTF......"its a violation of human rights" he says.....blow me buddy! The law is there for your own personal safety, and those around you. If you were riding your bike without your helmet and I hit you - seeing your head explode on the pavement, will seriously do me some mental anguish

My parents came to Canada back in the 70's - and yes, they had to cram into a small apartment, had the worst FOB accent, and shopped at K-Mart for pretty much everything. But they didnt ask the media to do a story on helping bring my grandparents over.....or ask that everyone be nice to the new Filipino family on the block...they were grateful for being allowed to raise their family in this country - and kept their mouth shut about the differences in political and social environments.

Thats just it, come to this country because it allows you to have safeheaven, but not to come here and all of a sudden feel you can change around. Maybe thats the reason your own country doesnt want you there in the first place so they are kicking you out .

He doesnt have a salary. Real Estate agents work off only comission, which still doesnt explain why he cant get a baby sitter. Even if his mom babysits the kids, his pops can work.

okay - no salary - straight commisision only

3% on a MINIMUM $200,000 home is $6,000 - if he sells one house a month for a year - he still exceeds the average family income of 2 working parents (which is a total combined income of $60,000) living in the GTA. but HE cant afford a sitter.

Besides - if they want to subsidize their income - the wife can take on nanny position for another child, earning her at least an additional $600/month

Its getting ridiculous in Brampton. Immigration should be mixed between the continents and not have a majority like east asian just coming in. At times when i drive thru brampton i feel like im in India. So much for Canada beign a mosaic of diffrent cultures and peoples.

In the future USA will be litlle Mexico and Canada will be litlle India;)

I dont even know what to say.

Ron...seriously dude...how many times must we go through the corolla drivin, curry smellin, non-helmet wearing, ethnic enclave that is Brampton? It obvious it would come to this point if the gov't doesn't impose restrictions and follow up on them.

"It's hard to be away from home. We had no friend, no relative here," said Gurpreet Kalra, 37, a Brampton real estate agent who arrived from India in 1995.

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"When our child was born, my wife and I had to hire a babysitter so she could go to work ... it costs a lot of money."

More of captain obvious....as though Canadians don't face the same problem. Its a statistic that a single mother working at the average pay in Toronto cannot mathematically afford babysitting...go figure.

"no friend , no relative" ...... are you joking me? They have more friends / relatives in brampton, than I have made in the entire north america in my 25 years on this earth.

I never really understood why this country WANTS soo many newcommers (in the hundreds of thousands a year). Why? Because we need more ppl here so theres more spending, so we can compete with another country like the USA, that doesnt compute with me. McGuinty in 2005 signed a document he came up with called the ROOM TO GROW ACT where his administration is forcing municipalities in the golden horseshoe area to densify its population, in some cases by about 40%. This area already has a population of just over 8million, immagine traffic/pollution when it reaches 11.7million ppl. Why?

More ppl in a small area will drive up property values making it even harder for ppl to own a home, resources will go up in price due to greater demand, etc.... a plan for disaster

On the other hand, maybe I should take thier lead and try and bring over ALL of my relatives from Europe (oh and all my friends from around the world), start a new business, hire them all, pay them under the table while they collect wellie and get free medical paid for by you.

more newcommers mean more ppl paying taxes to go to the ppl that want more newcommers

I hope ppl reading this don't think we being racist ...... just tired of ppl abusing the system

I dont really care who comes here from where, just slow it da fukk down man, wayy down. We should concentrate on mending the system first, [helping out Canadians so we dont have starving kids, homeless ppl, sick ppl, uneducated ppl, etc...]. Then we can start inviting ppl to come over, preferably those who can benifit this country - like doctors, engineers, scientists and not babysitters. Come here and make a real effort - I had 1 family member that came here yrs ago and basically refused to learn English, well fukk her, I spoke mainly English to her - she was here on a 3 month visa. Im critical of everyone regardless..

I understand ppl come here cuz their "home" country is shite, why dont they try and fix their country so it aint so shite? Prolly cuz they dont care, and if they dont care bout their home country, how will they treat their new country.

Yup and unfortunately either:

1) its the same people trying to abuse the system or;

2) the media is just glorifying the cases involving certain individuals because it will get more attention....when in fact its creating a somewhat negative reaction.

So maybe its not these individuals abusing the system, but the media abusing these individuals.

Ok thats my drunken thought for the night. Damn I love Rickard's white.

i think they should concetrate more on the people that were born here. Instead, they let people into the country, then they go on welfare, milking the system, living 30 people in a house and complain that our society isn't fair to them.
Not fair??!?!?!?
Then why did you come to our country in the first place?
Oh, thats right, b/c your country sucked, and you wanted a better place to bring up your family, so they could have a better future.
Well, i think, if people want to move to canada, they should have to do a MANDATORY 2 year service in the army/navy/military/whatever, and fight overseas for our country. That will prove that they REALLY want to be here. Then once given their citizenship, there should be a limit on how many people they can bring over and have living with them.
I agree with whoever said that the more people that live in our country, the higher the prices will be for stuff (homes, food, gas, etc etc), b/c thats just simple supply and demand.
Well, we supply the good country to live in, so we should demand they follow our rules and AT LEAST learn to speak our damn language.

I see two outcomes here
1) we would definitely have the worlds shittiest army
2) there would be more cases of treason than there is welfare

If you want to bring ppl over, then you pay and sponsor them, not Canada. When my relative came for the 3 months, my grandmother paid for her flight, paperwork, food, room, any doctor fees and shots, etc.... not a penny came from Canada even tho it was a possibility. She came over cuz she hasnt seen this part of the family since the 50"s. Her visa was extended a bit longer and we paid her financial requirements (she came from a very poor part of eastern controlled and decimated Europe where even if you had 2 cents to rub together - there wasnt even a loaf of bread to buy and she hasnt been paid in yrs for her work). She was told that she actually qualified for refugee status and could stay, but she went back because being a parasite simply didnt gel with her nature, she was a proud person.

Being a landed immigrant is not a right - its a privilage (or should be).

A law should be passed saying that any and all immigrants comming here are INeligeble of welfare/pension/dissability for a minimum of 8 yrs [or unless they pay into the system some minimal ammount], and no medical for the first 3 yrs. This will hopefully help to weed those out who plan to mooch off the system. Also, you must be sponsored or be able to financially fend for yerself or show up with some cash that is placed in a gov account as security/backup/fall back cash (say several thousand), you cannot come here unless you can prove so - and if ya cant, ya dont get in - if you can no longer support yerself or yer sponsor no longer can support you, you get deported.

You come here cuz its better - not cuz its free (financially speaking).

FOOTNOTE: Welfare was started during the war, it was to help support Canadian families (mothers with kids) who's husbands were away fighting, and it was meant to be discontinued shortly after the war ended. I think welfare should be more like a emergency life loan. If yer in hard times, you can get it, but only for no more than several moths in a row (say 8 months) cuz if you cant get it together by then - yer a fukken waste (accidents and such like immobility exempt), then not allowed to qualify untill after another 8 months have gone by for a total lifetime allowable limit of 4 yrs (not consecutive) AND you owe ALL the money back (perhaps interest free), like how OSAP (or whatever it was) used to be.

Careful now... don't be too reasonable. Then you'll be considered a racist. :retard:

Kuztom Freak covered many of my views in his well thought out post . Here are a few other points i would like to make

Immigrants over all have a net cost to the economy for the first generation they dont add to the economy .

We have over 50,000 immigrants/refugees that entered the country and just disappeared never showing up at their hearings , they have never filed taxes nothing . The kicker is no one is even looking for these ass holes . How about we take a few of the people that are rubber stamping applications now and have them look for these people who have already broke 1 Canadian law and are likely breaking others .

The Family Reunifacation Act AKA The Bring in People who Dont Qualify Act is costing us a load of money . Gurpreets Mom who has been washing her hands and wiping her ass with the same rag for twenty years more then likely has some serious health issues that will likely cost us 100s of thousands of dollars , she will however be eligbile for the pension once she is naturalized .

Canadian immigration has targeted certain countries for years India , China , Jamaica to name a few . How about we diversify a little bit and bring in some Polish , Irish , Bulgarians etc . Bringing in millions of one group causes its own problems and discourages people from mixing in . They may also want to re evaluate bringing in single moms from Jamaica , that whole Jane and Finch thing does not seem to be working out too well .

Just sayin

I think everyone is racist- how many so-called non-racist people don't go to Jane and Finch because of the "black" population?
Every race thinks their race is more superior than the rest of the world - but live this belief secretly - so they dont appear racist.

**** 'EM! I'm racist towards my own nationality....shoot me.

My parents moved here in 72. they earned everything they own and not once tried to milk the system. they got their citizenship the good old fashion way. it makes me sick to see what ppl are pulling in this day and age. ppl just get here and they're already looking for ways to get around the system. there's couples that come canada to "visit family" and they end up having a baby on canadian soil. that baby is a canadian, so guess what; the parents practically get citizenship hand to them.

another way to get around it is to pay someone (canadian Citizen) to go over to another country to marry some there only to bring them back and stay married for however long nessessary untill the spouce recieves their citizenship. once that happens, it's divorce time. i've been offered this oppertunity twice already from the bitches at my work. they each offered me 20K. both times i said no and gave them the 2 reasons behind my decision. 1. the going rate is 30k+, i'm not stupid. 2. let them get thier citizenship the old fashoned way like my parents did. waited like everyone else. the sad thing is that half of these ppl won't even learn the language because they'll move into an area and only associate with their own kind, only work with ppl that speak the same language, have a kid that will become thier translator, only shop at store run by their own ppl....etc etc. all these ppl do is segragate because of their ignorance, when this country is supposed to be a melting pot of different races, cultures and creeds that are supposed to abide by the laws of this country.

don't wanna wear a helmet? too fukin bad. wanna carry a sword? too fukin bad. don't like the christmas tree? too fukin bad. religous holiday and want holiday pay? if it's not a holiday here, too fukin bad.

I want to get a decal on my rear window - "Too Fukin Bad"

im glad im not the only one that sees this. whenever I go to a store which is owned by a particular "group" I am treated like I dont even matter. Meanwhile, habib comes up to them and gets the best service money can buy. Hell I have even had these guys try to rip me off 5 times already. Coincidence? who knows. I know I have changed my shopping ways now.

maybe I should start crying racism in the middle of their store. not like anyone would understand me anyways.

from what i've seen, it seems like the only time racism isn't cool is when whites are the ones being racist and minorities are allowed to be because they're minorities

welcome to bramladesh population: lost count

and you want more irish ooooooo god the country def gone to now lol, i am irish too lol

face it guys , there is no canada , there is no canadians .

canada was established so that the Brittish empire could send over their homeless and unfortunates ( prostitutes ) . Those homeless and prostitutes crossed with the natives , who didn't really have a society of their own , only tribes half a step higher than an animal society , maybe even not as sophisticated as an ant or bee society ( i you not insect societies are fascinating ) .

So to those , in the 20th and 21th century, imigrants for war or poverty struck countries followed making up probably 70% of canadian population.

I would understand this post if canadians would be able to tell stories of how their nation evolved in the past 2000 years , but fact of the matter is ... 2000 years ago there was no canada. it was only when the european civilizations brought civilization and technology to this continent, that canada came to be, and those guys that made it be ... are imigrants themselves .

oh yea and one last thing . middle eastern people such as indians , pakistani and bangladesh people make good , reliable and lawfull workhorses .

they seem to have a psyche that allows them to easily comply with laws , and work for little money ( since they came from very poor coutrny ) . with this said, taking in consideration their severely large numbers both in their countries and in canada, it's not easy to deduct that , whichever party makes theese guys happy and let's them imigrate to canada , will have their support over time.

So this is the game liberals play. If i'm from an eastern european family and i'm an only child and have one cousin in romania , a regular indian has like 500 cousins and they are all in canada . Meanwhile my vote counts as one and his vote counts as one . but we're 3 , and they are 1500. So ... soon Canada will be their country and they will make the laws for you . Face it, other people are becoming minorities in canada, and it's all a political game.

For a romanian to imigrate to canada , you have to give up your right to wellfare , and speak at least english fluently , also you should have a profession that is needed in canada .

For an indian to imigrate to canada ... they need nothing , just money for the plane , they come here speaking no enlish , they have no real profession , and it's a lot easyer for them to bring their family over.

it is all a political game ... which insect makes the better slave for the north american upper society .

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How about immigrants can't move to Toronto or other major urban centers. Can't move and live in designated areas Chinese people can't go and live in China town. They are segregate themselves and then complain. They end up just sucking from the amazing public services Canadians have and ruin it to the hard working people. Many immigrants come here and never learn a word of English even after living in the country for 45 years. If they come here they gotta accept out culture and some things that were acceptable in their former culture are not in ours. They should know that when they come here they have to support them selves and adapt to our beliefs, laws, and culture.

i find it kinda sad that back in the day new commers had to bust there ass to get where there at and now all the ppl fresh of the boat are getting everything handed to them with next to no work. its wrong

Funny you say that (Comment #1) India has the 3rd largest army in the world behind China #1 and USA #2. There army has far superior technology then the Canadian army, but enough of that we can't all be educated. I totally agree with some of the comments made here. My dad immigrated in 1972 from India, my mom stayed at home to look after me and my sisters until I was old enough to goto school. During that time my dad would put in overtime to make ends meet, and get a little savings. After my mom went to work I would goto the babysitters before and after school. They've never claimed welfare or even Unemplyment insurance since they came to Canada. I've got twins of my own, my wife stayed home for 3 years before my mom retired from work and was able to look after the kids for us. Life in general for us middle class people is a constant struggle, everyone knows that. If our parents were able to get by in the 70's and 80's when racism more evident on the streets just like it is now on these forums, then surely today's new immigrants can get by without having there parents shipped in to babysit. Just my 2 cents.

WOW, didn't realise that even other nationalties were seeing this too. Alot of these points are valid. The goverment is handing out citizenships like candy lately. I have grown up with some different nationalities and got to learn some different cultures. But some of these people that are coming here should never have been allowed in to Canada. My inlaws migrated here is the 50's. They had to work hard to make it here. They started off in Toronto and slowly moved further north. He bought a piece of land that no one wanted and built his own house with the connections that he made in the construction trade in the '60's. It has gotten to the point now where the white Canadians are starting to become an minority in their own country. Not that I have a real problem with these people, but it seems that we are starting to cater to them and their religions. I know that they don't cater to use when we move to their countries. We have to obey their rules and religions in their country. Why can't they convert to ours? They have already taken out the lords prayer from schools, they have started to limit christmas activities. What else are we going to lose that we have done for generations. Look at all the gas stations, the corner stores and donut shops. Its rare to find any white people running them now. Almost every time you call a goverment office, you get some new Canadian that can barely speak english or understand it. I am not saying these people should get jobs at these offices, but they should be in Canada several years before they get them, not hop off the boat and be in these jobs 6 months later. Just my opinion.

Even the hospitals and all our health care is suffering from this too , people bringing their sick parents and other relatives to canada for the free health care!!! I used to work at Etobicoke General and its amazing how many patients are Indian !!!!! I'm an immigrant too but I just think things are getting a little too out of hand now.

Coszmin, what the hell are ya talking bout? Back then it cost big huge bucks to sail across from Europe and really only those smart and strong enough to survive in the new world came over. Not untill North America was well settled did ppl of all classes come over. "Yes your Majesty, all the prostitutes and the poor have left England" <-- lolz. And just cuz a person is poor doesnt mean they are stupid or worthless.

The settlers were very Christian and wouldnt even think about fukking the natives, only the slaves of England who were sent here to labour fukked and mingled. I think you musta slept through history classes eh?

Canada has no culture or traditions you say??? Can you say Hockey-basketball-snow mobiles-electric stoves-fog horns-kerosene-lacross-machine gun tracer bullets (those things light up sweeeet)-pacemakers-standard time-Super Man-the fukking telephone-electron microscope-OHIP and other health care across Canada-and loads of other things. We have our own way of speaking, Canadians are recognized worldwide and that wouldnt be possible if Canadians and Canada didnt exist.

North America in general created all sorts of cultural and sub-cultural things, genres of music-cowboys-CARS-..........

If I need to tell ya all the things, then maybe yer not a real Canadian and you might consider leaving if ya dont like it here so much.

What diff does it make how old Canada is? Isreal only just turned 60 this year, so should ppl imigrate there and tell them what to do? Certain slovanian places are only a few yrs old, so they have no culture or nuthing I guess huh? Australia was also a penal colony and they created their own culture and traditions and they are very religious too, so much so that they tell ya to "shove off" if ya dont agree with the way they run things. Canada could learn a thing or two from them.

I agree with ya that its a political game and a couple other of yer points, but mostly I think the opposite of you.

Oh, and there are loads of poor ppl from poor places willing to work hard for little pay, not just the south east asians (Indians)

its browntown, or bramledesh

The whole basis of this country is immigration, if there was no immigration in Canada we would be in a growth decline. Every community has impacked Canada at one time or another, The Italians in the late 18th century early 1900's, Jews, having the most prominent migration between WWII to the 1980's. Blacks in the 1920's. Chinese immigrants were brought here in 1881 to work as labourers in the building of the Canadian Pacific Railway, and now Indians. If all of you don't know or try not to know, 90% of Indian immigrants come to Canada with a University degree, only 10% of Canadians get a University Degree. So what is the big problem?? Really nothing if you ask me, I'm sure all cultures had there share of racism and rejection when there immigration boom was happening. Its just surprising to see that it still happens.

Been to the new Brampton Civic Hospital?? They named the Emergency ward Guru Nanak Singh Emergeny Ward. Sikhs from all over Brampton combined to donate over 1 Million Dollars towards the construction of the new Hospital, prominent donations came from a sikh contractor for $500,000, Guru Nanak Community Services Foundation $250,000 and the list goes on. Whats your community done in recent years? If you goto Scarborough General all your going to see is Sri Lankan patients, York Central Hospital - Chinese, North York General - Jewish, and again the list goes on. So stop your crying and get on with life and make a contribution to society as oppose to making stupid comments about other races on a car forum. Things are getting out of hand?? What nationality are you? Were things not out of hand when your culture immigrated? Step up to the plate, its your turn to bat.

90% of Indian immigrants come to Canada with a University degree

whos doing this count ?

I guess they are counting university degrees that you buy on ebay.com

Hey 1skycord - I dont think that anyones complaining about who the immigrants are, the consensus seems to be that ppl are tired of immigrants comming here and demanding things (demanding their own laws [Shari or however its spelled] stealing from the system [healthcare a major one], and so on, looking for a free ride, mooching the system, etc... and NOT trying to assimilate, but rather trying to force us to meld to their ways.

I think most ppl here (like me) are perfectly fine with anyone from any race, any religion, any background comming to Canada. We all have freinds from every ethniticity, so that aint the issue.

Part of the problem are our own politicians.

Past waves of immigrants assimilated, worked hard, endured a lot. Present waves are trying to change Canada to suit their ways rather than them changing to suit Canadas ways.

And the hospital thing in Brampton. One reason so many Indians got together and donated was cuz so many of them live there, just like in Georgetown (and to the north west) so many farmers got together and donated is cuz thats what the demographics are in those areas. Every visible group of any type get together,work together and get things done.

BTW, that hospital was also over budget by tens of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of millions (total end cost is est at 3 Billion). Its also a Private Public Partnership which means that a part of the hospital is NOT for everyone, and guess which part most of the money raised went to. Not that the indian contractor did this, but its common in the industry, to make a donation on very large projects and them "win" the contract to build, earning 5 million in the process (so $500,000 is nothing compared) plus then they allways over run (legally allowed at 10%. Hmm, 10% of 5 mill is a half mill, just what buddy donated, so, was it indeed a donation? who knows, maybe.

90% of immigrants university educated? By what standards? I thought theres loads of immigrants reunifying with thier families who are un-educated, loads of refugees who have zero education, list goes on.

Should immigrants learn our rules of the road and drive like us, or should we start driving like the immigrants from their "homelands" cuz thats what they are used to - all over the roads, 5 cars wide in 3 lanes

Real educational response to an otherwise educational thread.

The Governement of Canada

The ones with the ebay degree are the ones on welfare and social assistance.

I understand where everyone comes from, my parents have also assimilated into society, I am a Canadian and proud of it. I just think its wrong to make a generalized statement about all immigrants when its not all immigrants or just Indian immigrants, but some immigrants including Indians that make a bad name for all other immigrants. Most people come here in search of a better life for them and there families.

An otherwise extremely rare and educational thread, I enjoyed the discussions, i just hope no one here takes any of my comments or anyone elses seriously or offensively, i know I don't. I just think this is healthy conversation.

u think the gov did a study and found "90% of Indian immigrants come to Canada with a University degree" my girlfriend is 1 of them and everyone in her family who came here and there were a bunch didnt finish high school . most of her friends and there family r in the same boat . dont try and pass someones elses lies off as facts . u dont know !

Agreed

Your girlfriend from the boat and her family are the 10% They don't constitute 90%.