Canada charges 17 in plot to blow up buildings
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
Which eastern religion would that be? Eastern Orthodox Christian?
Shall we also ban Judaism? How about Bhuddism? Maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses while we're at it?
And we surely have to get rid of the atheists and agnostics.
Maybe we can ban non-white people while we're still on a roll.
Pathetic. Some of you people sure have a lot in common with old Adolph.
Shall we also ban Judaism? How about Bhuddism? Maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses while we're at it?
And we surely have to get rid of the atheists and agnostics.
Maybe we can ban non-white people while we're still on a roll.
Pathetic. Some of you people sure have a lot in common with old Adolph.
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Originally Posted by Supra90T
You haven't met a muslim that agrees with the terrorists? Maybe not. But they are out there.
Is that like how I never see fast supras but really "they are out there" ?
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I've never met a muslim who agreed with what these terrorists are doing. Not a single one. I agree that these extremist muslims are a threat to everyone's safety, but it is not fair and incredibly ignorant to classify all muslims as being the same, which is just what you are doing.
But now that I've had a chance to read some of your responses, its quite clear what your problem is... you don't know how to distinguish between what is honest truth or just sensationalism in the media... I guess you never got to the grade in high school in which that course was offered, or else you would know that whatever CNN tells you is probably bull .
But now that I've had a chance to read some of your responses, its quite clear what your problem is... you don't know how to distinguish between what is honest truth or just sensationalism in the media... I guess you never got to the grade in high school in which that course was offered, or else you would know that whatever CNN tells you is probably bull .
The leader of the cell here in Toronto preached sermons at a Mosque. Many acknowledged that his sermons were full of hatred of Canada and non-muslims. If the attendees did not agree with what he was saying do you not think that anyone would have tolerated him preaching there regularly?? Now how many more hundreds of muslims who felt the same way who attended that mosque are talking the streets of Toronto?
I recall reading a recent poll in Newsweek conducted in Britain surveying British Muslims: Approximately 40% supported Osama bin Laden’s ideology, 15% felt that the London bombings were justified and 40% though that Islamic fascist Sharia Law should be implemented in Britain. It was conducted anonymously and confidentiality was assured. Now I wonder how many still didn’t trust the pollsters and did not give their honest opinion, how much higher could those figures rise?
At least I agree with you on one point, TV media misrepresentation. Most of the mainstream media whitewashes Islam and what it truly stands for.
Now before you again cry that this is yet more media “sensationalism.” Read the Koran yourself, the Koran breeds the hatred of non-muslims just as Hitler’s Mein Kampf did of Jews. Terrorism is predominantly a muslim phenomenon and they hate because it is what their religion teaches them.
I don’t know if your some simpleton but if you wish to be informed of what is occurring in the world around you don’t just watch the news on television. Read Newsweek, Time magazine, The Globe & Mail and not idiot newspapers like the Toronto Star and the Sun.
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Is that like how I never see fast supras but really "they are out there" ?
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Originally Posted by 4cefed6
Religion is for the weak and confused.
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Hey cLOwn_p3n0r, did you know 76.6% of all statistics are made up?
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Originally Posted by cL0wn_p3n0r
Now before you again cry that this is yet more media “sensationalism.” Read the Koran yourself, the Koran breeds the hatred of non-muslims just as Hitler’s Mein Kampf did of Jews. Terrorism is predominantly a muslim phenomenon and they hate because it is what their religion teaches them.
Same as anywhere else though, the majority are not as extreme as that, and same as anywhere else, the majority don't much go out of their way in denouncing such extremists for fear of becoming targets themselves. Instead, same as anywhere else, they try to ignore them and hope they go away, same as Canadians do when the bigots among us raise their ugly heads.
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
Have you ever read the old Testament or Torah, and what they say about how to treat non-believers of their respective faiths? A literal interpretation of those passages would have the faithful killing off all non-Christians and non-Jews just as quickly. In fact, in Israel today there are many ultra-religious groups openly using Torah teachings to try and justify terrorism, transfer, killing and theft aimed against non-Jews and their property.
Same as anywhere else though, the majority are not as extreme as that, and same as anywhere else, the majority don't much go out of their way in denouncing such extremists for fear of becoming targets themselves. Instead, same as anywhere else, they try to ignore them and hope they go away, same as Canadians do when the bigots among us raise their ugly heads.
Same as anywhere else though, the majority are not as extreme as that, and same as anywhere else, the majority don't much go out of their way in denouncing such extremists for fear of becoming targets themselves. Instead, same as anywhere else, they try to ignore them and hope they go away, same as Canadians do when the bigots among us raise their ugly heads.
And while multiculturalism in itself isn't bad - If we have half of Pakistan residing here, why the hell would anybody ever visit there to see what Pakistan is like? If all the Russians were here, why would anybody go there?
You see...Every different place in the world is meant to be unique - And that's what makes it such an interesting place. Liberals want everything to be uniform. Too bad for them, the effects of their pushing multiculturalism are now coming up - And it will get much worse with the pathetic immigrant screening process that has been in place for the past years.
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Originally Posted by Supra90T
That's the thing with liberals - Most noteably white ones. All you know how to do is call someone a "bigot", when in reality you are just ashamed of who you are. You're ashamed of your race. You're ashamed of your heritage. And deep down, they all know this which is why their main agenda is to promote "multiculturalism".
What I am ashamed, no, actually embarrassed would be a better word, is people like you bleating that showing tolerance for other peoples is demonstraing shame for one's own people. Every race has them, but it's just as ugly regardless of who is doing it.
Originally Posted by Supra90T
And while multiculturalism in itself isn't bad - If we have half of Pakistan residing here, why the hell would anybody ever visit there to see what Pakistan is like? If all the Russians were here, why would anybody go there?
The only ones who can truly claim that are the aboriginal nations of Canada. By your reasoning, we should all have adopted their languages and culture and spiritual beliefs because they were here forst and longest. Everyone else is a comparatively recent immigrant, you included.
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You see...Every different place in the world is meant to be unique - And that's what makes it such an interesting place. Liberals want everything to be uniform. Too bad for them, the effects of their pushing multiculturalism are now coming up - And it will get much worse with the pathetic immigrant screening process that has been in place for the past years.
Canada is unique. What makes is unique is that it is a cultural mosaic unlike most other places in the world, even unlike the US which is more a cultural melting pot rather than mosaic. The sheer diversity of cultures here in Canada, living in relative ease and harmony among each other, is an example to the world that people are more alike than they are different regardless of superficial differences in appearance and custom. I enjoy those differences, and take pride in Canada being host to such an abundance of peaceful human diversity.
Of course, people like you also exist to show why there is strife in much of the world too... We need more of them, less of you, to make this country and this world a better place.
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
I'm not ashamed of my race or heritage at all. It is who I am, but it does not make me any better (or worse) than someone with different racial background or heritage. I have no problems with multiculturalism because multiculturalism is just an extension of the idea called "live and let live". Why should immigrants or Canadians with immigrant background be expected to suppress who they are, where they came from? Because it's different from what you think should be "the norm"? How far shall we go in enforcing "the norm" among Canadians?
What I am ashamed, no, actually embarrassed would be a better word, is people like you bleating that showing tolerance for other peoples is demonstraing shame for one's own people. Every race has them, but it's just as ugly regardless of who is doing it.
Canada has been an immigrant nation almost right from day one. Whether it be the migration of aboriginal people across the Arctic ice bridge or the arrival of the Norsemen, or the French and English, or the waves of every other nationality that came in succeeding years, their are scant few people here who can claim to be centuries-landed Canadian in the same sense that people from other nations can.
The only ones who can truly claim that are the aboriginal nations of Canada. By your reasoning, we should all have adopted their languages and culture and spiritual beliefs because they were here forst and longest. Everyone else is a comparatively recent immigrant, you included.
No, YOU want everything to be uniform. You want immigrants to conform to what you think should be the uniform dress, language and culture code in Canada.
Canada is unique. What makes is unique is that it is a cultural mosaic unlike most other places in the world, even unlike the US which is more a cultural melting pot rather than mosaic. The sheer diversity of cultures here in Canada, living in relative ease and harmony among each other, is an example to the world that people are more alike than they are different regardless of superficial differences in appearance and custom. I enjoy those differences, and take pride in Canada being host to such an abundance of peaceful human diversity.
Of course, people like you also exist to show why there is strife in much of the world too... We need more of them, less of you, to make this country and this world a better place.
What I am ashamed, no, actually embarrassed would be a better word, is people like you bleating that showing tolerance for other peoples is demonstraing shame for one's own people. Every race has them, but it's just as ugly regardless of who is doing it.
Canada has been an immigrant nation almost right from day one. Whether it be the migration of aboriginal people across the Arctic ice bridge or the arrival of the Norsemen, or the French and English, or the waves of every other nationality that came in succeeding years, their are scant few people here who can claim to be centuries-landed Canadian in the same sense that people from other nations can.
The only ones who can truly claim that are the aboriginal nations of Canada. By your reasoning, we should all have adopted their languages and culture and spiritual beliefs because they were here forst and longest. Everyone else is a comparatively recent immigrant, you included.
No, YOU want everything to be uniform. You want immigrants to conform to what you think should be the uniform dress, language and culture code in Canada.
Canada is unique. What makes is unique is that it is a cultural mosaic unlike most other places in the world, even unlike the US which is more a cultural melting pot rather than mosaic. The sheer diversity of cultures here in Canada, living in relative ease and harmony among each other, is an example to the world that people are more alike than they are different regardless of superficial differences in appearance and custom. I enjoy those differences, and take pride in Canada being host to such an abundance of peaceful human diversity.
Of course, people like you also exist to show why there is strife in much of the world too... We need more of them, less of you, to make this country and this world a better place.
If you truly value Canadian heritage, then you have a lot of thinking to do. Please tell me how our values ARE NOT being compromised? Why is it getting to the point where if I say "Christmas", I'm offending people? But muslims and sikh's can say whatever the **** they want, they run this place! Bullshit. It's liberal inadequacy at it's finest.
And - Read what I said. Liberals want the whole WORLD to be uniform. You're damn right each country should be uniform in it's own way. I want CHURCHES here, not mosques. I want to see CHRISTMAS TREES. I want people to speak OUR language. I want to see CARS on the road, not nothing but mopeds. I want to see people wearing HATS, not turbans.(PS why are sikh's such an exception in the police force, schools..wherever and can wear turbans? **** that. This isn't their country. Abide by OUR rules if you come here)
You speak of this "harmony" everybody lives in here in Canada - Yes, naturally. Which is why we have these muslim extremist fools coming out of the woods now trying to kill everyday Canadian's like you or I. If an attack was successful and your parents were killed in it - Would you be singing the same tune? No. Not at all. Nothing but typical left wing bullshit.
We need more muslims and less people like me to make this country successful....Oh wow. The funny part is, once an attack is carried out successfully, people like you will be on their knees BEGGING people like me to help you out. And all the while wondering why, oh why, did you not listen in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Supra90T
If you truly value Canadian heritage, then you have a lot of thinking to do. Please tell me how our values ARE NOT being compromised? Why is it getting to the point where if I say "Christmas", I'm offending people? But muslims and sikh's can say whatever the **** they want, they run this place! Bullshit. It's liberal inadequacy at it's finest.
And - Read what I said. Liberals want the whole WORLD to be uniform. You're damn right each country should be uniform in it's own way. I want CHURCHES here, not mosques. I want to see CHRISTMAS TREES. I want people to speak OUR language. I want to see CARS on the road, not nothing but mopeds. I want to see people wearing HATS, not turbans.(PS why are sikh's such an exception in the police force, schools..wherever and can wear turbans? **** that. This isn't their country. Abide by OUR rules if you come here)
You speak of this "harmony" everybody lives in here in Canada - Yes, naturally. Which is why we have these muslim extremist fools coming out of the woods now trying to kill everyday Canadian's like you or I. If an attack was successful and your parents were killed in it - Would you be singing the same tune? No. Not at all. Nothing but typical left wing bullshit.
We need more muslims and less people like me to make this country successful....Oh wow. The funny part is, once an attack is carried out successfully, people like you will be on their knees BEGGING people like me to help you out. And all the while wondering why, oh why, did you not listen in the first place.
And - Read what I said. Liberals want the whole WORLD to be uniform. You're damn right each country should be uniform in it's own way. I want CHURCHES here, not mosques. I want to see CHRISTMAS TREES. I want people to speak OUR language. I want to see CARS on the road, not nothing but mopeds. I want to see people wearing HATS, not turbans.(PS why are sikh's such an exception in the police force, schools..wherever and can wear turbans? **** that. This isn't their country. Abide by OUR rules if you come here)
You speak of this "harmony" everybody lives in here in Canada - Yes, naturally. Which is why we have these muslim extremist fools coming out of the woods now trying to kill everyday Canadian's like you or I. If an attack was successful and your parents were killed in it - Would you be singing the same tune? No. Not at all. Nothing but typical left wing bullshit.
We need more muslims and less people like me to make this country successful....Oh wow. The funny part is, once an attack is carried out successfully, people like you will be on their knees BEGGING people like me to help you out. And all the while wondering why, oh why, did you not listen in the first place.
Funny thing is you seem to think white European is the way to go. Europe has seen more war between its various peoples than almost any other part of the world in the last several centuries.. Would you care to go for a tour of the former Yugoslavia some time? Maybe see how the Serbs get along with the Croats and Kosovars? Maybe see how the Poles gleefully helped the ***** "look after the Jews"? Maybe see how the Spanish dealt with religions "heresy"? Or how the Germans dealt with what they considered the lessor peoples of Europe? Or how about the nasty business between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland, with a British helping of violence tossed in as a bonus? Basques vs the rest of Spain anyone?
All of this happened on fairly large national scales in the cradle of what you think is "good" culture consisting mainly of "churches" and "hats" and "Christmas trees". And you want to harp on an entire religious group because of the acts of a few extremists among them, and of course, because they look "different"?
You CAN say Merry Christmas if you want without risking arrest and imprisonment. You are not forced to say Happy Ramadan or Merry Kwanza or Happy Hannukah or Happy Diwalli or any of the other religious festivals practiced by various religions here. You are not forced to go to a mosque or synagogue. You have complete freedom of religion as or even if you want to practice it. And so do immigrants. That is Canada. What you espouse is closer to **** Germany.
And who cares whether mopeds or cars are on the road? How shallow can one get about supposed issues like that, especially these days when mopeds are making more and more sense for urban transportation. You need to seriously give your head a shake.
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
Funny thing is you seem to think white European is the way to go. Europe has seen more war between its various peoples than almost any other part of the world in the last several centuries.. Would you care to go for a tour of the former Yugoslavia some time? Maybe see how the Serbs get along with the Croats and Kosovars? Maybe see how the Poles gleefully helped the ***** "look after the Jews"? Maybe see how the Spanish dealt with religions "heresy"? Or how the Germans dealt with what they considered the lessor peoples of Europe? Or how about the nasty business between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland, with a British helping of violence tossed in as a bonus? Basques vs the rest of Spain anyone?
All of this happened on fairly large national scales in the cradle of what you think is "good" culture consisting mainly of "churches" and "hats" and "Christmas trees". And you want to harp on an entire religious group because of the acts of a few extremists among them, and of course, because they look "different"?
And who cares whether mopeds or cars are on the road? How shallow can one get about supposed issues like that, especially these days when mopeds are making more and more sense for urban transportation. You need to seriously give your head a shake.
All of this happened on fairly large national scales in the cradle of what you think is "good" culture consisting mainly of "churches" and "hats" and "Christmas trees". And you want to harp on an entire religious group because of the acts of a few extremists among them, and of course, because they look "different"?
And who cares whether mopeds or cars are on the road? How shallow can one get about supposed issues like that, especially these days when mopeds are making more and more sense for urban transportation. You need to seriously give your head a shake.
As for the moped issue - It was simply a comparison. But it's one of the latest things the liberals like to push on people to get around areas like church & wellesley. The primary reason is to "pollute" less...Figures.
But regardless...As that's not even related to this in any way as I already said...How can you still say that I'm "harping" on an entire religious group?
There are good muslims out there. -Fact
The Kuran is a book that is VERY violent in nature. -Fact
The muslims have the largest concentration of organizations in the world. -Fact
They carried out the attacks on 9/11. -Fact
They were going to carry out attacks on southern ontario. -Fact
So please, tell me....Given all these FACTS(and don't dispute the last one. 3 tons of armonium nitrate + triggering devices and years of survaillance. They're guilty.), how can you somehow tell me that I am WRONG in looking at certain muslims differently? After all, these latest terrorists were just normal people according to some that knew them. How can we know which ones are leaning towards extremism? We can't, but I'll damn well keep an open eye any time they're around me.
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you are right... 17 people so far are "guilty" , as are the rest of the pieces of that helped them.
i keep seeing things like "And while multiculturalism in itself isn't bad - If we have half of Pakistan residing here, why the hell would anybody ever visit there to see what Pakistan is like? If all the Russians were here, why would anybody go there?"
if that is the case, send back all of the british.. why dont you just go to britain if you want to see what its like..
send back all of the italians.... italy is supposed to be nice why not go there?
send back all of the polish, poland is ...nice i guess... but i havent had to go there because there are so many here...
send back all of the ........
hmmm none of us "belong" here.....
you cant pick and choose because you are no better than any other honest person.
i keep seeing things like "And while multiculturalism in itself isn't bad - If we have half of Pakistan residing here, why the hell would anybody ever visit there to see what Pakistan is like? If all the Russians were here, why would anybody go there?"
if that is the case, send back all of the british.. why dont you just go to britain if you want to see what its like..
send back all of the italians.... italy is supposed to be nice why not go there?
send back all of the polish, poland is ...nice i guess... but i havent had to go there because there are so many here...
send back all of the ........
hmmm none of us "belong" here.....
you cant pick and choose because you are no better than any other honest person.
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Originally Posted by Supra90T
After all, these latest terrorists were just normal people according to some that knew them.
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How can we know which ones are leaning towards extremism? We can't, but I'll damn well keep an open eye any time they're around me.
Are you starting to see how ridiculous you sound? 17 people charged. And for that you want to tar ALL Muslims in Canada with the same brush? Well, let's start tarring every group for the acts of the few seriously bad apples that can be found in any group.
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As are most people accused of serious crimes. Bernardo and Homolka were the ideal couple to their frends and neighbours. You can't judge anyone as being good or bad simply on the basis of outward appearance. WASP does not equal good any more than Muslim equals bad.
And I'll keep an eye on all white guys because they could be the next Bernardo, and I'll keep an eye on all blonde chicks because they could be the next Homolka. And I'll keep an eyeon all clean-cut white guys because they could be the next Oklahoma City bomber.
Are you starting to see how ridiculous you sound? 17 people charged. And for that you want to tar ALL Muslims in Canada with the same brush? Well, let's start tarring every group for the acts of the few seriously bad apples that can be found in any group.
And I'll keep an eye on all white guys because they could be the next Bernardo, and I'll keep an eye on all blonde chicks because they could be the next Homolka. And I'll keep an eyeon all clean-cut white guys because they could be the next Oklahoma City bomber.
Are you starting to see how ridiculous you sound? 17 people charged. And for that you want to tar ALL Muslims in Canada with the same brush? Well, let's start tarring every group for the acts of the few seriously bad apples that can be found in any group.
You go ahead and watch for the next Bernardo. Those of us with common sense and any sort of patriotism will be watching for the next islamic terrorists.
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Factor in that there are muslims PUBLICALLY ON TV NOT DENOUNCING THE TERRORISM, you're DAMN right I'm going to watch them.
You go ahead and watch for the next Bernardo. Those of us with common sense and any sort of patriotism will be watching for the next islamic terrorists.
You go ahead and watch for the next Bernardo. Those of us with common sense and any sort of patriotism will be watching for the next islamic terrorists.
As with any died-in-the-wool racist xenophobe, it's obvious you will see only that which you want to see. And you referring to patriotism is laughable when what you're really talking about is xenophobia. The old saying comes to mind - "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", referring to false protestations of patriotism in defence of the indefensible.
