..77.

Cops are supposed to be cracking down on DUI with fatalities ...I call B/S. A very good friend of mine was killed nearly instantly. Hit in the drivers door by a lincoln driving 74 year old known ( to local police ) alcoholic. In April it,ll be one year since his death . His wife was in the car and has all kinda therapy going on still to this day. Her lawyer has paid for and gone to court not once but twice . And is gonna go again , to get the autopsy report . Usually it s supposed to take between three to six months to get an autopsy report . Kinda like on those csi shows , yeah right .The lawyer needs it for the case to begin . Police refuse to hand it over . To serve and protect ...Who??. Maybe the 74 year old alcoholic military and OPP retired veteran who blew an 82 on a breathalizer 4 hours after the accident ..77.

drift_n_shift

sorry to hear that man;

it's all bullshit. damn those street racing punks, lets waste all our resources pull over modded hondas/ cars, and spend 30mins looking at we don't even recognize. as the city tv said in june 2006,
Now after some quick research, of the health canada website mind you,
Well, thats canada. since toronto is large city, we'll say 50-100+. Now thats the ones they know about.
using data from 1980-1994
okay, fine. reduce that a bit for 2007, 1200 and 60000. for GTA, maybe 350+ deaths EACH YEAR. thats still a hell of a lot more than 35 since 1999.


although its understandable why they crackdown on streetracing, i say why. when there's more important issue such as gun violence and drinking and driving.

but, oh, wait. summers coming. damn those punks are gonna come out again. lets forget dwi's since thats the media is going to focus on those racers

judgez24

thats terrbible man. i mean we all do things that are illegal but most of us try to keep it controlled and out of the publics view anda access. i think if we all jt started drinking and driving and crusing around in minivans and suv's we'd all be fine

84camaro

^^^ HEY!! i havent done anything illeagal today!!... i just got up!

judgez24

i made a noise disturbance, lol. my neighbour was revving hs lawn mower so i go out to see wtf hes doing, so i pull out my honda 400 atv, fire it up, warm her up and do a few laps around my neighbourhood, lol

gldwngr

In 2005, there were 229 traffic fatalities in the GTA. About 30% of those fatalities involved alcohol, whether above or below the legal 80 BAC limit for alcohol.

That means that while alcohol may have been a factor in about 70 fatalities in 2005, there were still another 159 in which alcohol did not play a role.

Just in 2006 in the GTA, I can think of about 8 or 9 street-racing-related deaths off the top of my head. These are deaths where street racing is known to have played a role in the crash leading to death.

There were several other deaths where street racing is suspected as a "possible" factor, but no hard evidence exists to prove it. Every year, several extreme high-speed single car crashes occur in the middle of the night. When alcohol is ruled out as a factor and no other cause can be conclusively determined, and the crash occurs in a known rural racing locations, you have to wonder.

In many cases of known street races gone bad, the other person(s) involved did not stick around and didn't even call for help for fear of the legal consequences. If that's the case where you know street racing is involved, you have to wonder about some of the other "cause unknown" single car crashes in known popular racing locations.

But let's just stick with the 8 or 9 GTA street-racing related deaths from last year. Is that number of deaths enough to warrant extra police attention towards street racing?

You suggest that there are more important things for police to deal with than street racing, such as impaired driving. You insinuate that because impaired driving has a much high impact (70 GTA deaths in 2005) than street racing (8 or 9 known last year), that we should "go easy" on allocating resources to street racing.

Ok, then let's follow your logic some more. Year 2005 was known as the year of the gun, with a huge spike in gun-violence deaths. Total GTA deaths by gun violence was 52 dead in 2005, but that number fell last year. According to your logic, the police should lay off gun violence because impaired driving kills 50% more people in the GTA than does gun violence. Remember, it's your logic at work here.

Anyways, back to cars. Remember the GTA-wide traffic fatality rate for 2005? It was 229 deaths, which is 5 times the number of deaths caused by gun violence. The number of traffic injuries is also several magnitudes higher than the number of gun violence injuries.

Again, using YOUR logic, based on that traffic death and injury toll in comparison to ALL other forms of violent death, the cops should be diverting MUCH more resources into traffic enforcement and high risk driving behaviours than they do now.

But let's go back to just street racing. There were 8 or 9 known street racing deaths just in the GTA in 2006. Just how many do you think the cops should "let slide" before they start doing anything?

6Msentra

those "8 or 9" deaths were caused by "impromptu" races between people that met on the street, or friends that were just driving like retards in traffic.
there is no way to stop that by police actions. harassing drivers of modified cars for the actions of people that drive like asses in their parents minivans is not even close to a solution.

dont forget that the husband driving the wife home from the wedding was drunk when he pulled in front of 2 speeding cars who had the right of way... so you can add that to the drunk driving tally as well.

2TONE_93GT

iTrader: (3)

I agree 100%, and the police should start worrying about their own before they profile and harass innocent people!

Three of its officers are being investigated over what appears to be a bungled drunk driving arrest involving a fellow police officer

While i respect the fact that police put their lives on the line for the safety of others, i have a hard time respecting many of them on a personal level. Being a male in my early 30's and NOT being subject to an over abundance of police harassment, i have seen enough first hand to make me not trust the police by any means! My feelings towards the police will likely never change.

Always say NOTHING, show your ID and request a lawyer!!!!

gldwngr

Odd, I don't recall any minivans involved in those deaths - just modded cars, high end sports cars, and a couple of Mercedes.

As for the "drunk", yeah, there was speculation the dead husband was drunk because the couple was out "celebrating". But that's all it was, simple unfounded speculation put forward by some (including friends of one of the charged street racers) in an effort to downplay the role street-racing played in the fatal crash.

Now, "people driving like retards in traffic"? You must mean the high speed dicing and weaving parades from the Etobicoke Timmies to HK on Wednesday nights. And don't say it ain't so. In any case, many of the "retards in traffic" are the same "retards" at organized street races.

That's a very old story. Did you read the "Last Updated: Monday, September 25, 2000" part in the story?

Anyways, nobody got off on that one, and the cop who "let it slide" now has a criminal record and is no longer a cop as a result.

By the way, the cops did "worry about there own" in that case. The bad act came to light when another cop laid a complaint over the "special treatment". Other cops laid charges against the errant cops, and a judge pronounced the guilty verdict and sentence. The cop with the now criminal record appealed, the Court of Appeal denied his appeal, and he is no longer a cop.

In other words, the system worked even against its own.

Anyone playing on the edge of the law or associating with those that do, such as street racing, is not likely to "trust" police", are they?

drift_n_shift

How is it my logic? I said streetracing is not as important as drinking and driving AND gun violence. If you're saying that I'm only saying aid the problem with the greatest number of deaths, obviously you can't apply that to gun violence vs drinking and driving, and thats why I didnt use the two in comparison with each other...

8 or 9 deaths vs. 52+ or -. honestly, you can't win them all. Lets say the police force puts more focus on racing and reduces this number to 4 deaths a year. Gun violence would proabably make up that difference. Although, the gay media plays a big role in this, I would say shift focus on the more important issues even if it's not on the 6'o clock spotlight .

gldwngr

No, let's say the police put more focus on racing and keep that 8 or 9 deaths from increasing to 16 or 20 deaths next year.

Or, back to you, how many street racing deaths are "acceptable" before you would have them step in and act?


Maybe, but street shootings tend to get more media coverage on teh 6:00pm news than street racing.

..77.

This post was started by me . Personally venting on the fact that in this ONE case . With all the hype about cracking down on DUI with fatalities . The people that are actually supposed to be doing the CRACKING down are the ones who are REFUSING to cooperate . And will undoubtably drag this case out until the victims family is left with nothing . I am absolutely sure there are many more cases like this across Canada. Cases being professionally mis handled every hour of every day of the year.
To those of you who come on and post about the do gooders , here,s another little twist for you . The investigating officers had arranged to meet with the family on a saturday afternoon to give them an update .
3 , not 2 , 3 local newspapers printed the information that the cops were going to give to the family in the THURSDAY edition of they,re papers . 3 full days before the meeting . How much was that worth , a box of beer , 50 bucks , a few lines of coke . 2 of the papers printed the articles in a way that made it seem like he was the one that was intoxicated . And have so far refused to give up theyre source or print a retraction , To serve and protect . My f#$%in ***..Nuff said ..77.
P/S dont even bother coming on with that /*** line " Oh there must be an incriminating evidence / incident sh^t"..

2TONE_93GT

iTrader: (3)

No, innocent people are likely to not trust the police in the best instance.

From experience...

3 years ago i was sitting with my WIFE having dinner in my van. 7 Peel regional cruisers approached us, weapons drawn, detained us, separated us and searched our van for 'weapons'.
We were released after presenting i.d. and little to no questioning other than, why are you eating pizza in your van. Thats hardly good police work.

Lets go back an even funnier one. Around 2000 my then gf of four years and i were eating 241 pizza across the street from a plaza parking lot. Sitting outside our car, in both suit and tie, her in brides maid gown we were approached by two plain clothes peel regional officers. We were searched, detained (arrested) and harassed. My GF at the time who is now practicing medicine was called a bitch and i was shoved around. When i refused to unlock my vehicle the police seized my keys and were about to search my vehicle. The reason we were arrested, a noise complaint by a resident. My bullshit flag is up! Fortunately, a guardian arrived on scene and well, had his own badge of honor to save us.

Lousy crooked cops in both instances.

The point here is, police officers have a tendency to show favoritism to those who FLASH THE TIN. Police are known to profile and harass people.
Police should always be held to a higher standard, so when the cops BEAT children behind 11 division they should be prosecuted, not to a lessor standard but to a higher one and be sent to prison, not suspended from work.

So, to answer your question; "Anyone playing on the edge of the law or associating with those that do, such as street racing, is not likely to "trust" police", are they?".

First off, eluding to myself or anyone being involved with street racing is silly, not only is that a trait of a newb, but that is a trait of someone who would make a typical shady/crooked/law enforcing but breaking police officer...

The only thing that separates a cop from myself or anyone else on this forum is a GATB, PREP, BPAD and a job offer and acceptance...

That being said, best practice (advice from 2 blood relative peace officers)... ALWAYS GET A LAWYER, EVEN IF YOU DID BREAK THE LAW :thumbsup:

Cops love people who sing like canaries.

drift_n_shift

im not saying the cops should stop acting on peolpe streetracing, but i am saying that they shouldnt focus alot of money and effort towards it, because, as 6msentra said, many start from a stop light, and, unless there is a cop at every light in the city 24hrs a day, they wouldnt be able to prevent all of them.
you have a point, but one thing i don't like is only when something appears in the media does the law enforcement start coming out with all these new programs and tatics when they should have coming up with them beforehand

JDm_92

ya cops are gay