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Old 11-17-2006, 12:54 AM
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DAMN TRAFFIC - Study Predicts Traffic Nightmare For The GTA

If you think your commute into the city is frustrating now, it's only going to get worse if Queen's Park and Ottawa don't pony up more funds for public transit, a new study suggests. The report paints a dire picture for the GTA's highways and roads considering projected population growth and the lack of transit funding.
An additional 100,000 vehicles are expected to hit Toronto streets over the next 25 years and the TTC will have to accommodate another 50,000 riders, according to a report commissioned by the Residential and Civil Construction Alliance of Ontario. The study was released Thursday.
Other areas of the GTA should also expect to see a substantial increase in traffic, including an additional 146,000 commuters in Markham, 80,000 in Vaughan and 154,000 in Brampton.
Experts predict the population of the the GTA will nearly double over the next 25 years and the study's authors say municipal governments don't have the cash, resources, or even a plan to deal with the booming expansion and the problems it will bring.
The report calls on the provincial and federal governments to provide long-term funding for public transit before the gridlock and pollution get even worse.
"We probably need road expansion and probably within the city itself otherwise there will be severe congestion and (the city) won't achieve its aspirations for increase in employment in the city," the study's lead author Richard Soberman explained.
Experts suggest the problem could be even worse than what was outlined in Thursday's report. It was based on population density forecasts from the province's Places To Grow policy, which assumes that people will choose high-density communities and public transit over homes in sprawling suburbia and cars.
"If Places To Grow is not realized and growth continues to evolve, more or less, as it has over the last 10 to 30 years or so, the transportation-related challenges will become even more acute and will occur sooner," Soberman said.
The report highlighted the current cash crisis for public transit - since 1992, the population of the GTA has increased by about 33 percent, but during that same period provincial spending on transportation has decreased by about 24 percent.
Downloading has also placed an incredible financial burden on municipalities and unless action is taken immediately, the GTA will no longer be able to compete with other North American cities, the report predicts.

Here are some of the major recommendations included in the transportation report:
  • The development of a comprehensive transportation plan for the GTA should be the first order of business for the new Greater Toronto Transportation Authority (GTTA).
  • The provincial government should put regulations in place ensuring that the GTTA is governed by non-elected individuals so that it can make decisions based on long-term needs rather than short-term political considerations.
  • The GTTA should control the allocation of a substantial portion of both provincial and federal funding, giving it the leverage it needs to bring about transit service and fare integration in the GTA.
  • There must be stable, multi-year funding commitments from Ottawa and Queen's Park. Predictable and guaranteed funding is a pre-condition for the development of meaningful regional transportation plans.
  • The first step towards integration should focus on 'seamless' transit connecting the Toronto Transit Commission, York Region Transit, Mississauga Transit and GO Transit, with a smart card universal fare.
  • The province should declare public transit an essential service, prohibiting strikes and lockouts, and requiring binding arbitration in disputes.
  • The Environmental Assessment process has become "one of the surest means of ensuring that nothing gets done," says the report. The provincial government should streamline the process to reduce costs and accelerate decision-making.
  • Municipalities within the GTA should give more serious consideration to public-private partnerships in order to expand transportation infrastructure at lower cost.

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there isnt any time of the day where the streets are empty
they congested all the time
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Yah traffic is horrid and will only get worse, I as a driver still always supported expansion and funding of the TTC.
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Carpool and public transportation.

The carpool lanes on the 403 are a waste of space. NOBODY uses them, just goes to show how many cars could be taken off the road if there was a better public transportation system. Almost every car in the morning/evening highway rush hour only has one person in it.


We need a better subway system.
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its gonna get crazy and we all will have to start walking!
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Its also getting worse because of immigration levels. Enjoy traffic gridlock? well canada is taking in another 200,000 this year. They all goto major cities too. There is NO need to make 2% of canadas population immigrants ,esp asylum seekers. They wont be happy until our resources are all used up and toronto ends up looking like haiti.
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Originally Posted by Nastyzed
There is NO need to make 2% of canadas population immigrants.
Welcome to Brampton where that number is 85%
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Originally Posted by SuprAdam
Welcome to Brampton where that number is 85%

Yeah im suprised the mayor won! goes to show you how many illegals live in peel reigon.

We need to take lessons from RUSSIA.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1990400.ece

"Vyacheslav Postavnin was quoted yesterday as saying that it was a good idea to keep the numbers of non-Russians in any given region below 20 per cent of the overall population. "If the norm is exceeded, it will make the indigenous population feel uncomfortable. As a rule people who come to such districts do not assimilate. They begin living by their own rules," he said.
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Anyone who lives in a multicultural area knows this is true.Can't wait till the liberals chime in.
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thats ****ing discrimination... like what the **** man...
"There is NO need to make 2% of canadas population immigrants ,esp asylum seekers."
you do realize that unless you are of native american decent, you, yourself are an immigrant because you dont originate here go trace your family line back, some where along the way, they came here from another country (from another of your posts... poland was it?). sure, me, you? and others may be lucky enough to be born in canada and to call ourselves canadian born citizens, but do you have any ****ing idea what real refugees have been through? i bet not. go to one of those countries and get your ****ing *** set on fire and almost beat to death and stabbed multiple times then come back and say that we dont want refugees...

as for the traffic issue, yea, we definately need better transportation systems. for one thing, ttc should collaborate with other regions and extend the subway system to vaughn, brampton, peel etc. they can do it with ease, but the toronto transit commission only cares about toronto plus, for any that goes in the way of downtown t.o. for work, school etc, if they tear down the gardiner, we're all screwed even more
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Originally Posted by drift_n_shift
thats ****ing discrimination... like what the **** man...
"There is NO need to make 2% of canadas population immigrants ,esp asylum seekers."
you do realize that unless you are of native american decent, you, yourself are an immigrant because you dont originate here go trace your family line back, some where along the way, they came here from another country (from another of your posts... poland was it?). sure, me, you? and others may be lucky enough to be born in canada and to call ourselves canadian born citizens, but do you have any ****ing idea what real refugees have been through? i bet not. go to one of those countries and get your ****ing *** set on fire and almost beat to death and stabbed multiple times then come back and say that we dont want refugees...
Your a complete idiot.. Native americans were not the first here. There have been bodies found that link to serbia. Clues are found when you read up on vinland. This of coarse is a second choice thats why you never hear of it. Why don't you go start a colony and fund social parasites? are you that retarded to belive most of them are actually indeed refugees? Its been proven over 80% refugee claims are false. Besides if they are refugees then why do they go back home for summer vacation? It's complete bullshit. Canada was built by europeans FOR europeans. Show my one area that has been built out of raw earth by any other group of people. These people vote in governments and should have to live with there choices in a mass. It's not my problem they live in a hole country. Your people are what you make of them. So now bascily your saying its taxpayers duty to take care of thousands of poor helpless third worlders? LAST time I checked our health care was a mess , our social services are going to colapse and our roads need work. We also have thousands of our own people on the streets. CHARITY STARTS AT HOME YOU IGNORANT .

NOW **** OFF.
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so what you are saying is that serbians were the first dirty immigrants to this country? well thank you serbia for paving the way for all of the other 3rd world country's human exports.

also we would like to thank all of the eastern europeans who in the last decade were the ones to exploit the refugee loophole to allow just about anyone into the country and attempt status.

seems like europeans really screwed up here!
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Originally Posted by 6Msentra
so what you are saying is that serbians were the first dirty immigrants to this country? well thank you serbia for paving the way for all of the other 3rd world country's human exports.

also we would like to thank all of the eastern europeans who in the last decade were the ones to exploit the refugee loophole to allow just about anyone into the country and attempt status.

seems like europeans really screwed up here!

Yeah thats it moron... You have a dumass excuse in any topic like this and only blame "caucasians". Again if you werent such a idiot you would know europeans built canada. They also are not trouble makers in large numbers. Liberal government opened the flood gates nobody else. Euro refugees came here with skills and built the country. I would love to meet you in person and have you argue this to my face. You woudl quickly be muzzled or wouldent say anything at all.
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Your a complete idiot.. Native americans were not the first here. There have been bodies found that link to serbia. Clues are found when you read up on vinland. This of coarse is a second choice thats why you never hear of it. Why don't you go start a colony and fund social parasites? are you that retarded to belive most of them are actually indeed refugees? Its been proven over 80% refugee claims are false. Besides if they are refugees then why do they go back home for summer vacation? It's complete bullshit. Canada was built by europeans FOR europeans. Show my one area that has been built out of raw earth by any other group of people. These people vote in governments and should have to live with there choices in a mass. It's not my problem they live in a hole country. Your people are what you make of them. So now bascily your saying its taxpayers duty to take care of thousands of poor helpless third worlders? LAST time I checked our health care was a mess , our social services are going to colapse and our roads need work. We also have thousands of our own people on the streets. CHARITY STARTS AT HOME YOU IGNORANT .

NOW **** OFF.
you simple minded ****. if people's mentality were like yours, the civilization of the whole planet would be back in the stone age. i will bet you that if europe started having war problems, including your fav euro country/homeland, canada AND you will welcome them with open arms, and yes, they will be refugees by definion. are third worlders the only refugees? hmm, maybe your right, but if the above started to happen i bet you'll become the hipocrit. sure, lets not help these europeans that live in a hole country and i dont want my damn tax money helping these bastards, **** them... MY ***, you'll prolly be the first one donating and helping them, and hey, i will too. i have nothing against europeans and i have nothing against people who need some help, be them black, white, brown, yellow or blue. and sure, charity starts at home first, i agree. lets fix our roads, get better health care and put more money toward education and transportation. but when a refugee comes to canada and becomes a canadian citizen, they become our people too, glad to hear you like helping the evil refugees you hate so much
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Originally Posted by drift_n_shift
you simple minded ****. if people's mentality were like yours, the civilization of the whole planet would be back in the stone age. i will bet you that if europe started having war problems, including your fav euro country/homeland, canada AND you will welcome them with open arms, and yes, they will be refugees by definion. are third worlders the only refugees? hmm, maybe your right, but if the above started to happen i bet you'll become the hipocrit. sure, lets not help these europeans that live in a hole country and i dont want my damn tax money helping these bastards, **** them... MY ***, you'll prolly be the first one donating and helping them, and hey, i will too. i have nothing against europeans and i have nothing against people who need some help, be them black, white, brown, yellow or blue. and sure, charity starts at home first, i agree. lets fix our roads, get better health care and put more money toward education and transportation. but when a refugee comes to canada and becomes a canadian citizen, they become our people too, glad to hear you like helping the evil refugees you hate so much

I don't agree with that. Difference is most euros come here with skills to build etc. They arent building sand castles. Have you ever taken the time to goto a immigration welcomeing ceremony? Were you can view 50 or so "new canadians"?? I have. About 4 of them where of european heritage. It's not that hard to to figure out. Is it ok that these "refugees" from islamic countries were going to bomb the pickering power plant? or cause other forms of chaos?? Thats ok toronto would just look like chernobyl!!! but hey atleast we will be tolerant and diverse!!! even if we are all dead!!
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I don't agree with that. Difference is most euros come here with skills to build etc. They arent building sand castles. Have you ever taken the time to goto a immigration welcomeing ceremony? Were you can view 50 or so "new canadians"?? I have. About 4 of them where of european heritage. It's not that hard to to figure out. Is it ok that these "refugees" from islamic countries were going to bomb the pickering power plant? or cause other forms of chaos?? Thats ok toronto would just look like chernobyl!!! but hey atleast we will be tolerant and diverse!!! even if we are all dead!!
yea, true, i sorta agree. the only thing i wanted to point out, or get across is that not all refugees lie their way here. some actually are real refugees and deserved to be helped... i know there are bad apples, hell, the majority of the basket may be bad, but there are good people out there actually in need and they shouldnt be told to return to a country where they will actually be in severe harm... also, im not familar with the topic on all euro's coming here with building skills (except for the past stuff), so i wont comment because i dont have enough info on that. but many non-euro immigrants come with sklills also, but go unoticed. two of my friends have moms that were doctors and one even doing research on a cure for a disease (not sure which), but over here, due to regulations and excessive costs, they couldnt become doctors, so chose other careers... its kind of a waste of resources if you ask me. anyways, i sorta see your point, but i hope you see mines, which is that not all non-euro immigrants are bad and useless and are faking refugee status or whatnot so just because of a few bad apples, dont classify the whole basket as bad and not let any of them come here
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