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SOMBirdV6 04-11-2007 01:16 AM

GM Slams on Brakes for Future RWD Cars
 
http://www.fquick.com/blog/GM_Slams_...e_RWD_Vehicles

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=513935


Atleast the camaro is far enough along, Stuipd **** these days.

squirrelishere 04-11-2007 01:30 AM

I wonder what they'll do about them big v8 Suburbans the government rides in.......

Mike Jones 04-11-2007 01:33 AM

gay

97z2801ss 04-11-2007 01:37 AM

but thats a corperate fleet average not every car.... so make some lil aveos n stuff
I think dodge and the hemi will be hurt the most but its just a proposal!!!

Mike Jones 04-11-2007 01:42 AM

Personally I don't think is all to blame for this. Don't get me wrong, he made the final choice so it is his fault but he get's ragged on all the time for his oil intrests so I think this is his way of trying to disprove it.
Just my .02 - I still think it's gay and I still think we haven't had a good president in many, many years.

NoRiceInside 04-11-2007 02:03 AM

i think its the governments fears of the new 900 hp 09 vette i heard about :cheeky:

paarman97maro 04-11-2007 02:14 AM

seriously, DIAF. He does manage to keep doing things to make me hate him.

war in iraq, raising gas prices, and now cutting rwd vehicles... what a fuggin homo. Hopefully he gets hit by a bus.

NoRiceInside 04-11-2007 02:15 AM

k whats DIAF and how the hell is he raising gas prices? only thing bush or any form of government has over gas prices is the tax. which is, what? 7 cents per gallon?

NoRiceInside 04-11-2007 02:19 AM

wow i just did some quick math...

if the federal tax was 7 center per gallon, i estimated based on my fueling rates. i put about 15 gallons a week, at 52 weeks per year at 7 center per gallon, thats 54.6 dollars a year. there are 200 million americans.

so the estimated income from fuel tax is over 10 billion dollars per year.


a lot of americans commute and not all americans drive, but this is just a quick figure. they cant ***** about money problems anymore.

paarman97maro 04-11-2007 02:23 AM

Were not gonna get into all the reasons gas prices have been raised, but yes the general republican has been ******* it up ever since they got into office with all the gay bills, and his seeking oil on the middle east. Wasnt it just such a coincidence that once the democrats got into office last year gas dropped down under $2, the first time in 4 years?

Not to mention, the oil companies have been making enough for themselves. Its ******* bull-****, I hate paying out the ***.

DIAF = Die In A Fire.

Bernotas05 04-11-2007 06:56 AM

That is stupid. Thats all I have to say about it.

mxracerbrian 04-11-2007 09:01 AM

bummer....

now dont turn this thread into a pro/anti bush campain. nobody cares

FamousZ 04-11-2007 10:59 AM

dumb..

BlueZee28 04-11-2007 11:31 AM

So does this only affect future NEW models, or will this be the end of the long-lived Corvette?


I don't necessarily agree with everything that Bush does, but for the most part I trust that he would use his best judgement. And what people don't realize with the war in Iraq is that if we pull out now, or if we had never went in to begin with, the Shiites and their opposing group will start a civil war that will not only occur within the borders of Iraq. It would flood much of the middle east, and THAT's where we'd have a major issue. Oil would be literally impossible to reach if this happened.

But back to the topic, I think this is a stupid idea. I'm glad there are still plenty of 1st-4th gens available on the market, because I have a feeling I won't be buying a new one anytime soon.

SOMBirdV6 04-11-2007 11:48 AM

I doubt it will end the Corvette, The z06 today already gets much better MPG then you would expect from an engine that size.

Bernotas05 04-11-2007 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by mxracerbrian
now dont turn this thread into a pro/anti bush campain. nobody cares

Indeed.

TorqueDog 04-11-2007 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by BlueZee28
...but for the most part I trust that he would use his best judgement.

... f'ck man, when it comes to Bush, that ain't sayin' much.

Mike Jones 04-11-2007 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by mxracerbrian
now dont turn this thread into a pro/anti bush campain. nobody cares


True, I didn't mean to start that.

96camaro 04-11-2007 04:34 PM

That's dumb. Why the hell don't they just use that system that shuts down a couple of the cylinders till you stomp on the pedal. But yeah, what about all the trucks and suv's? This is just stupid.

paarman97maro 04-11-2007 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by BlueZee28
I don't necessarily agree with everything that Bush does, but for the most part I trust that he would use his best judgement. And what people don't realize with the war in Iraq is that if we pull out now, or if we had never went in to begin with, the Shiites and their opposing group will start a civil war that will not only occur within the borders of Iraq. It would flood much of the middle east, and THAT's where we'd have a major issue. Oil would be literally impossible to reach if this happened.

Yeah, that is exactly why we have/had no point of being there. The sunnis and the shiites are still going to battle no matter if we are there or not... We should have never gotten involved, its nothing we can fix.

Yeah, I wonder if the value of rwd cars will also increase shortly after (if) they follow through with this. I also dont think theyll end the vette.

blue89vert 04-11-2007 05:08 PM

hella gay! at least the camaro was too far along for them to stop its production or w/e it said

Mikerock 04-11-2007 09:07 PM

awww yes our fearless leader at it again. in stead of hampering current cars why not lobby for more hybrid or alternative fuels?

big oil will get what they deserve in hell. Hes just doing it for the money to keep the oil companies in his pocket.

hydrogen cells.... exaust = water. how much of a better idea do you need?

98CamaroZ28 04-12-2007 12:54 AM

wtf is this, there is no such thing as global warming, the average internation temperature has rose less then 1 degree in the last almost 60 years... :gayfight: eviromentalist and tree huggers can suck my exhaust fumes big time. Hybrid cars dont do *****, they get 35 mpg, wow where is that big 50,making those batteries creates more pollution to make then a hummer running for 200,000 miles...god I hate hippes...

:nutkick:

paarman97maro 04-12-2007 01:04 AM

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7668/roflwtfjb1.gif who said anything about global warming?

mxracerbrian 04-12-2007 01:10 AM

wow...thats all ill say

NoRiceInside 04-12-2007 01:12 AM


Originally Posted by TorqueDog
... f'ck man, when it comes to Bush, that ain't sayin' much.

:stupid:

97z2801ss 04-12-2007 01:14 AM

gas here has a 50 cent tax on it diesel has like a 65 cent tax
what a joke

but like i said ITS A PROPOSAL!
they just met with American car co's 2 weeks ago sooo something else is going down other wise

paarman97maro 04-12-2007 01:21 AM

I was watching the news and saw some guy from an oil company say we are one bad event away from $4 a gallon this summer... not what I want to hear. So expect it anyway, becuase theyre *** holes.

98CamaroZ28 04-12-2007 01:22 AM

We can all thank the treehuggers for this one. The Bush administration has decided to raise corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) standards by 4 percent a year so cars would have to average 34 m.p.g. by 2017, up from 27.5 m.p.g. today. On top of that, the Supreme Court ruled last week that the Environmental Protection Agency can regulate carbon dioxide expelled by cars, a gas that contributes to global warming. The EPA doesn't do so now.

Vehicles affected by this include the upcoming Impala, a high-performance midsize Pontiac, a replacement for the full-size Buick Lucerne sedan, a compact smaller than the current CTS at Cadillac and possible 300-horsepower versions of the Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky roadsters.

Thankfully the Camaro was too far along to be halted. Guzzle away, Camaro, guzzle away.

Lutz had this to say, "We don't know how to get 30 percent better mileage from RWD cars."

97z2801ss 04-12-2007 01:26 AM

yea thats lame..

98CamaroZ28 04-12-2007 01:29 AM

hella hella, not gonna lie, super GEY!

paarman97maro 04-12-2007 01:30 AM

Okay.. there IS such a thing as global warming... if you dont believe me, tell me that the smog cloud over new york, LA, minneapolis is non existant, because I can look out my window and see it.

I think a lot of people are misinformed or confused about what global warming is... CFCs into the atmosphere open holes in the ozone layer contributing to induced heat in our earth. Yes the temp has not risen much each year, but I think if you watch "The day after tomorrow" you would learn a lot, because I dont think that movie is too far off of our future... Its certainly possible the increased heat can melt ice.

:)

98CamaroZ28 04-12-2007 01:34 AM

Animals alone create more gases then all of the Vehicles with people in them on this earth combined...common, we had a harsh winter this year, I dont see any global warming when it keeps snowing where you live paar...I just dont believe it is here, Sorry Im just very conservative, so my views are different, Pollution isnt the same as Global warming, if you want, you could say it adds to it, but the earth will recycle its self in billions of years from now...why are we worried about this, fuk those hippies...Remeber less then 1 degree with in 60 years.

Adric 04-12-2007 01:37 AM

I guess we will have to slaughter all the animals then..

98CamaroZ28 04-12-2007 01:38 AM

exactly! Damn you animals!

paarman97maro 04-12-2007 01:42 AM

I have noticed the weather get more harsh from the time I was 10 years old until now. Seasons were basically right on que... Over the past few years I have noticed a durastic change in weather all around. Somthing is definitly changing... Maybe its just the midwest, I dunno, but the weather was never like this when I was younger.

98CamaroZ28 04-12-2007 01:49 AM

when you were younger, Im sure you really didnt go out side and wonder what the fujck the weather was going to be like today, man I lived in Alabama, tornado's, rain, hot weather and lightning storms every week, went down there a few years ago, what did I see, lightning storms, hot weather, and tornado's...same every year...This year has been the hashest year for winter then ever in WA...Its funny how they claim there is a drought this year while we have more then enough water from natural sources and water being processed from the ocean. The drought issues is all about the $$, hey there is a "drought from global warming" so lets raise the price...Algores movie on global warming has been debunkt by scientist from all over around the world, Untill I see the temperatures rising over 100 degrees in the summer here, then Id be worried...

Mike Jones 04-12-2007 01:54 AM


Originally Posted by paarman97maro
I have noticed the weather get more harsh from the time I was 10 years old until now. Seasons were basically right on que... Over the past few years I have noticed a durastic change in weather all around. Somthing is definitly changing... Maybe its just the midwest, I dunno, but the weather was never like this when I was younger.

I don't know, it's been awhile since we've had a winter with a bunch of hard blizzards like we use to when I was younger.

Back in the 1970's everyone was being told we were going into a new ice age. They've proven the earth goes through cycles. So when it's warming they say it's global warmer and when it's getting cooler they say we're going into an ice age.

paarman97maro 04-12-2007 01:55 AM

You need to join this site: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum//

:laugh:

Mike Jones 04-12-2007 02:03 AM


Time, Like Newsweek, Predicted a coming Ice age in the 70's. Now it's "global warming" that's in fashion
Earlier we explored Newsweek Magazine's "global cooling" alarmist article in 1975. Now lets us explore Time Magazine's alarmist "global cooling" article from June of 1974. As it turns out, the press was awash with warnings of a new ice age in the 1970's, a decade known for strange cults. Of course at the time (just as now) people thought that they were at the peak of scientific knowledge and that they had a firm grasp on the science, which proved to be complete bunk... and will likely be proven as such again; Time's recent scarry headline (in image) not withstanding. So I give you Time Magazine's 1974; the coming ice age:

In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding terribly to the toll of famine victims. During 1972 record rains in parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst flooding in centuries. In Canada's wheat belt, a particularly chilly and rainy spring has delayed planting and may well bring a disappointingly small harvest. Rainy Britain, on the other hand, has suffered from uncharacteristic dry spells the past few springs. A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West, while New England and northern Europe have recently experienced the mildest winters within anyone's recollection.

As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

Telltale signs are everywhere 庸rom the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7ー F. Although that figure is at best an estimate, it is supported by other convincing data. When Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory and his wife Helena analyzed satellite weather data for the Northern Hemisphere, they found that the area of the ice and snow cover had suddenly increased by 12% in 1971 and the increase has persisted ever since. Areas of Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic, for example, were once totally free of any snow in summer; now they are covered year round.

Scientists have found other indications of global cooling. For one thing there has been a noticeable expansion of the great belt of dry, high-altitude polar winds 葉he so-called circumpolar vortex葉hat sweep from west to east around the top and bottom of the world. Indeed it is the widening of this cap of cold air that is the immediate cause of Africa's drought. By blocking moisture-bearing equatorial winds and preventing them from bringing rainfall to the parched sub-Sahara region, as well as other drought-ridden areas stretching all the way from Central America to the Middle East and India, the polar winds have in effect caused the Sahara and other deserts to reach farther to the south. Paradoxically, the same vortex has created quite different weather quirks in the U.S. and other temperate zones. As the winds swirl around the globe, their southerly portions undulate like the bottom of a skirt. Cold air is pulled down across the Western U.S. and warm air is swept up to the Northeast. The collision of air masses of widely differing temperatures and humidity can create violent storms葉he Midwest's recent rash of disastrous tornadoes, for example.


Sunspot Cycle. The changing weather is apparently connected with differences in the amount of energy that the earth's surface receives from the sun. Changes in the earth's tilt and distance from the sun could, for instance, significantly increase or decrease the amount of solar radiation falling on either hemisphere葉hereby altering the earth's climate. Some observers have tried to connect the eleven-year sunspot cycle with climate patterns, but have so far been unable to provide a satisfactory explanation of how the cycle might be involved.

Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend. The University of Wisconsin's Reid A. Bryson and other climatologists suggest that dust and other particles released into the atmosphere as a result of fuel burning may be blocking more and more sunlight from reaching and heating the surface of the earth.

Climatic Balance. Some scientists like Donald Oilman, chief of the National Weather Service's long-range-prediction group, think that the cooling trend may be only temporary. But all agree that vastly more information is needed about the major influences on the earth's climate. Indeed, it is to gain such knowledge that 38 ships and 13 aircraft, carrying scientists from almost 70 nations, are now assembling in the Atlantic and elsewhere for a massive 100-day study of the effects of the tropical seas and atmosphere on worldwide weather. The study itself is only part of an international scientific effort known acronymically as GARP (for Global Atmospheric Research Program).

Whatever the cause of the cooling trend, its effects could be extremely serious, if not catastrophic. Scientists figure that only a 1% decrease in the amount of sunlight hitting the earth's surface could tip the climatic balance, and cool the planet enough to send it sliding down the road to another ice age within only a few hundred years.

The earth's current climate is something of an anomaly; in the past 700,000 years, there have been at least seven major episodes of glaciers ing over much of the planet. Temperatures have been as high as they are now only about 5% of the time. But there is a peril more immediate than the prospect of another ice age. Even if temperature and rainfall patterns change only slightly in the near future in one or more of the three major grain-exporting countries葉he U.S., Canada and Australia 揚lobal food stores would be sharply reduced. University of Toronto Climatologist Kenneth Hare, a former president of the Royal Meteorological Society, believes that the continuing drought and the recent failure of the Russian harvest gave the world a grim premonition of what might happen. Warns Hare: "I don't believe that the world's present population is sustainable if there are more than three years like 1972 in a row."
So basicly there's tons of proof that we are all going to freeze to death. My favorite is the line that says we are causing by burning fuels, now we're being told we are causing global warming by burning fuels. Instead of looking at the facts they just try to prove their own theories.


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