gldwngr

In general, non-OEM equipment is not illegal on a blanket basis. Some non-OEM is, but not all. If the non-OEM stuff is the functional equivament of OEM, there's nothing wrong with using it and you won't get a ticket for it.

The HTA does not prescribe exhaust dB levels at all, so I don't know what you're referring to a "dB legal". If your car is too loud for street use, it's too loud, period. A muffler that may be perfectly usuable on one car might not muffle adequately in application on another car, so you can't even claim a muffler is "legal" unless it's the OEM muffler for that specific model or one that muffles to the same standard as OEM.


Coloured lights are restricted by HTA - what is the issue here?

HIDs are illegal unless your car originally came with them - that's a Transport Canada issue.

Ride height - if a car is slammed too low or slammed improperly with cut springs or inneffective shock capacity, it could be considered unsafe for ordinary road use. What works suspension-wise on a race track is far different than what works safely on the wide variety of public roads out there. If your tires are contacting your fenders or frame at the limits of wheel turn or suspension travel, it's too low. If you're stopping to a crawl when crossing even level rail crossings or having to dodge manhole covers, your car is too low.

There's nothing wrong with mods, but they have to be done properly and in compliance with applicable law. It's not a free-for-all unless you;re building a show car or race carthat will never be driven on public roads.

Supra90T

You know another thing that I love? Not that I have them...But license plate covers - You know, the tinted ones...that the Ministry of Transportation sells themselves - are apparently illegal.

And many people have gotten tickets...This government...Let alone the cops who act as their ambassadors to enforce the law, are as corrupt as they come, I don't care what anybody says to justify otherwise. Nothing but bullshit.

Z-Tuned

Thats a kind of blanket statement by saying "if your exhaust is too loud its too loud" so your average Corolla = fine but your average Harley or crotch rocket (prolly 110dB) or rigs engine braking also happens to be fine even though I can sometimes hear them on the QEW which is over 2kms away and thats OEM.

My old neighbor had a 575 Maranello, I knew when he was coming home from work about 2 minbefore he got there - again stock.

Ride height? I have seen many a Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo jam on the brakes to cross tracks and entranceways - again stock.

My car is pretty slammed and although I have never been booked for it, I would have to laugh off that ticket with a coilover setup costing $3000 that will provide more control than almost anything out there on a variety of conditions.

Sure there is lots of unsafe scrap out there. Officers aren't going to distinguish like you have here... just issue ticket, argue later. While unlicensed 3rd-world idiot X is driving some minivan certified by his "cousin" and unsafe at any speeds.

I believe all this focus on modified cars is totally unwarranted especially when I can go downtown and buy a sex slave for $2-grand.

You have good theory, its just not realistic.

gldwngr

Those covers aren't sold by the MTO. They were sold in stores owned by privately-owned businesses contracted to provide licensing services. MTO or the Ontario government didn't put them out for sale, nor did they profit from their sale.

In any case, I don't think any of those franchisees are still selling them, at least not in the dozen of so franchises that I've been in over the last couple of years.


Harley's are ticketed all the time for their exhausts, and truckers using engine brakes in residential areas are often stopped and issued noise bylaw infractions.

All new vehicles have to meet Transport Canada standards for exhaust noise - those standards vary between cars, trucks and motorcycles in recognition of the different operational requirements between them. There is no reason for a car to make as much noise as a big transport - a car can easily perform its required fuinction without doing so.

Most modded suspension set-ups out there are hack jobs and are actually detrimental to a car's sterring and handling. That's one reason for the aded focus on lowered cars. Other cars get the eyeball too - many of the cars pulled in for inspection in York in the last month had no visible mods whatsoever.

Buying sex slaves is completely irrelevant, unless you're trying to argue that the cops should ignore everything else until there are no more sex slaves for sale downtown.

Z-Tuned

Good, some of the Harley's out there boom through my brick walls and rattle stuff. But we don't see them them being the media flavor of the month. Remember when unsafe trucks were all the rage and all the wheels came flying off and now the industry again is slipping into anonymity and probably going down the toilet.

Why can't my car make as much noise as a transport or a 575 Maranello for that matter? Why can I put on a well-fabbed stainless large bore exhaust & cat and get a ticket when it still quieter than OEM applications? Cause it looks loud?

No buying sex slave is relevant as is cells, illegal guns, meth and gangs etc... This city has some serious problems that need to be addressed but aren't as sensational a street racing - just admit it. Front page TorStar = please.

Maybe we should outlaw going outside when there is a lighting storm because that kills more people than street racing LOL.

"many of the cars pulled in for inspection in York in the last month had no visible mods whatsoever." ERASE (or whatever this was) just like RIDE is unconstitutional. A random spot check? WTF is this Berlin 1938, show me your papers.

BadAssGN

The point is pretty clear, if you play the game accept what will happen if you get caught.

it's like playing Lacrosse and being surprised you just got crosschecked onto your ***...

you can't expect to streetrace in a populated area, putting innocent lives at risk and then start crying if you get caught. use your head people...

Common sense is the best tool you can have when your driving a fast car.


My veiw on the checks at the track, While I agree there are tons of ***** that will tie a car down with a nylon rope, handing out tickets to kids with a modded car that they raced at the track is stupid. harrass all you want, point out the illegal stuff but don't ticket. if you pull them over in a "routine stop" then they are fair game.

birdie92k

iTrader: (1)

You obviously read my post but didn't offer any comment on -

"As for the cops - law enforcement continues to loose the respect of more than it gains because of more incidents of intimidation, racial profiling and abue of power coming to light. Another reason is like what judgez said, he calls to report drunk driving and offers to follow the car until the cops can catch up and they say no it's ok we'll look into it. Why would he call the next time? There is also an unproven but strong theory that many officers are drugged up while on the job (and not just cocaine, weed or heroin - morphine etc).

Is street racing more dangerous that drunk driving...that's a resounding no and the politicians and cops all know it but if the cop pulls over a drunk politician or hell, two politicians racing their benzs do you really think he's gonna give the ticket????"

To both of these you might say you can't answer for others nor can you argue against an opinion without any proof behind it but you know that answer.

Also I did not say that drunk driving campaigns have been ineffective, what I said was that with all of the campaigning drunk driving is still not down to a satisfactory level and I'm sure it being down is somewhat due to people drinking and driving being more cautious and not getting caught and yes the same can be said about street racers being more cautious so in both cases there aren't as many reported incidents. Therefore street racing is at an unacceptable level what makes them think that they will change that? Don't get me wrong here, I'm not for people risking other lives than their own or killing other people in avoidable situations. I'm just saying that it would be a better idea for them to spend the money somewhere else rather than please the current media and somewhat public cry to squash street racing (much of the hype again fueled by the media). And I don't remember who but they made a good point in that a main reason alcohol is still so free to roam is because it has huge amounts of $$$ in the buisness. Mind you alcohol is deadly even if taken in moderate amounts. It has irreversible damaging effect to ALL your organs and can even be carcinogenic when converted by the body. I have the article if anyone thinks otherwise.

We need laws and law makers but all they do is slow our eventual destruction of ourselves.

gldwngr

You make a lot of claims that are points of opinion rather than fact. The majority of the public respects police, and that is borne out time and time again by opinion polls taken of the general public. Now, if they were to ask only street racers, no doubt the results would be different.

That same general public is demanding that the police act specifically on aggressive driving and speeding, both of which are central factors in street racing.

You say there aren't as many reported street racing incidents? Give your head a shake. In JUST the GTA in JUST last year, there were 10 or 12 deaths due to street racing, and half of those were innocents in no way or shape involved in or spectating those races.

That compares to a bit under 70 GTA deaths last year due to impaired driver. Impaired driving deaths are on their way down, street racing deaths are on a rising trend.

Exactly how long do you think the government should wait until acting? How many street racing deaths, which are totally avoidable, are "ok"?

R/T kota

Can you back up those stats?
Most of the so called street racing death that I have seen in the news involved only one speeding vehicle.
Takes two to make a race.
What they say in the news and what really happens are often two totally different things.

judgez24

i understand what your saying, but riddle me this. and this is a gret one and i bet some people from here were involved, the one track even that comes to mind was a pacer organized event, infact if memory serves me right this was the same event they were handing out free passes to cayuga for. and they were there at the end of the day, the cops, to search every car and check trailors etc. i know what your saying but in terms of what you are saying, the cops should be at the track evrey test and tune and every event day to ensure the cars leaving are all safe to be on the road.

now try to explain this to me, if the cops want us to race at the track, which alot of us would do, why harrass the people who are actually going there? almost evry car there could be out street racing and yet the cops come out there and harass the responsible drivers. kinda backwards isnt it?

Supra90T

Let's not forget the percentage of these deaths being from ORGANIZED street racing. It's a big thick line between that and what our good friend "gldwngr" tries to pass off as statistics that represent us.

birdie92k

iTrader: (1)

Oh yes and those polls would be taken in the "good" areas and not in the "troubled" ones. C'mon polls are very dependent on the constituents in which they are taken. You think there would be overwhelming support for cops in jane and finch? Oh but they're lots of lawbreakers there right?

Agressive driving and speeding can just as easily be the cause of an acccident with one vehicle.

Give my head a shake? You clearly read that incorrectly. That was a point for you in that there probably is street racing involved in numerous accident but not reported to be street racing. JUST AS there's lots of drunk drivers going under the radar. That why the numbers for drunk drivers are going down but street racers is going up. There's a focus on street racing now. You see more of something when that's what your attention is focused on duh! That's not rocket science.

How long should the government wait? They've already passed that point a while ago. How many street racing deaths are ok? NONE! It is avoidable but not intentional.

And yes I make "opinions" but how can people find out for sure when the law makers and enforcers are virtually untouchable?

judgez24

i have to agree with you 100% here, point out but dont ticket, the kids doign the right thing by going ot the track adn not racing down main st. dont give him a ahrd time for it. a better idea even is go to the track and offer a station where people can bring their car over and have the cops inspect it to tell them whats legal and what isnt, whats safe and un safe. hell id put my car through it just to proove my car is 100% street lgeal and safe, much safer than gm had built the stupid thing. even the pointing out of things is a bad idea when it leads to a 5 hour wait to leave the track. do it at the track, walk around and talk to drivers and offer your services. ill tell you what, set up the booth i mentioned above, make it known your there to help people out and ill bring my car to you guys first, shake your hand, introduce myself and let you go over my car to set the pace for everyone.
as for pot holes and train tracks. i avoid them in my z71 aswell. sewers i dont bother going around in my car unless its a drop or its uprooted. train tracks i slow down for in everything, theyre so bad in spots that if you dont your gonna get bounced around, and oten times its safer to slow down than to hit them and have your vehicle get unweighted.

judgez24

gldwngr let me ask you a question. if you had to choose one to eliminate, and this is either an a or b answer, both isnt acceptable, you have to choose one, what would you eliminate, drunk driver or street racing?

Z-Tuned

^^^^You would be eliminating both in over 50% of the cases.

These "street racing" incidents more than half involve alcohol that is the one aspect the media is convenient leaving out that its just drunk driving but happens to be a speed contest involved.

That example is a little off. It's more like having the ref step and give you a penalty for cross-checking, not because you did but just because you are holding a stick and look like you could cross-check someone.

I don't think anyone would dispute racing on the street can get you in trouble, its the modified vehicle harassment and officers discretion that raises concern.