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05-19-2006, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Scarboroughdub
you are the coolest guy i know. thanks for coming out.
last time i checked a longer stroke yields more torque. and horsepower is only a mathematical number attained from actual torque.
once again i know you werent born last night but maybe 2 nights ago.
last time i checked a longer stroke yields more torque. and horsepower is only a mathematical number attained from actual torque.
once again i know you werent born last night but maybe 2 nights ago.
05-19-2006, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 4cefed6
Since when is TORQUE considered TOP-END power?
anyways e is for effort retard and you havent shown much.
your uneducated remarks make you even cooler then b6t.
i think the both of you should fondle each others anuses and then pull a dirty sanchez.
im pretty confident in your abilities and that you will satisfy eachother beyond your expectations.
05-20-2006, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarboroughdub
you are the coolest guy i know. thanks for coming out.
last time i checked a longer stroke yields more torque. and horsepower is only a mathematical number attained from actual torque.
once again i know you werent born last night but maybe 2 nights ago.
last time i checked a longer stroke yields more torque. and horsepower is only a mathematical number attained from actual torque.
once again i know you werent born last night but maybe 2 nights ago.
Not to mention, unreliable power, KA's were never meant to be boosted, that's why they never were from the factory. How long will yours last?
The only reason to go KA-T is to cheaply get boosted, without shelling out the money for a proper motor.
If you are into real cars, why don't you get a real motor?
05-20-2006, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SBC262TT
Torque, wow. What's the biggest power a KA has made to date? 600 horse? What about a SR? It's in the 4 digits range.
Not to mention, unreliable power, KA's were never meant to be boosted, that's why they never were from the factory. How long will yours last?
The only reason to go KA-T is to cheaply get boosted, without shelling out the money for a proper motor.
If you are into real cars, why don't you get a real motor?
Not to mention, unreliable power, KA's were never meant to be boosted, that's why they never were from the factory. How long will yours last?
The only reason to go KA-T is to cheaply get boosted, without shelling out the money for a proper motor.
If you are into real cars, why don't you get a real motor?
the sr20 just like any motor has more following because all these stupid kids here in north america glorify it because all the japs are using them since they came stock in japan. last time i checked it is more difficult to engineer a proper turbo system then to just drop in a turbo motor.
and if you think a properly turboed ka is cheaper than a sr20 swap then you obvioulsy dont have as much knowledge as you want people to think.
why would you sacrifice 400cc of displacement when we all know displacement and boost is what utimately nets horsepower, true the ka is not the most free reving engine around but with a set of crower v2 or v3 cams and some valve train work you can allow the motor to easily rev to 8000 rpm.
but the whole point is not to have a motor to rev to all these crazy rpm's but to make proper torque to horsepower ratio that is close to 1/1 that is a succesful motor.
how dumb can it be to have a 1000 horsepower motor but only be making 500 fpt. on 40+ psi.
either way you guys seem to all talk and know everything so please tell me what is the best thing to do.
05-21-2006, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Scarboroughdub
well since you seem to be such a informed and experienced automotive expert then could you tell me what a real motor is? and what defines it.
the sr20 just like any motor has more following because all these stupid kids here in north america glorify it because all the japs are using them since they came stock in japan. last time i checked it is more difficult to engineer a proper turbo system then to just drop in a turbo motor.
and if you think a properly turboed ka is cheaper than a sr20 swap then you obvioulsy dont have as much knowledge as you want people to think.
why would you sacrifice 400cc of displacement when we all know displacement and boost is what utimately nets horsepower, true the ka is not the most free reving engine around but with a set of crower v2 or v3 cams and some valve train work you can allow the motor to easily rev to 8000 rpm.
but the whole point is not to have a motor to rev to all these crazy rpm's but to make proper torque to horsepower ratio that is close to 1/1 that is a succesful motor.
how dumb can it be to have a 1000 horsepower motor but only be making 500 fpt. on 40+ psi.
either way you guys seem to all talk and know everything so please tell me what is the best thing to do.
the sr20 just like any motor has more following because all these stupid kids here in north america glorify it because all the japs are using them since they came stock in japan. last time i checked it is more difficult to engineer a proper turbo system then to just drop in a turbo motor.
and if you think a properly turboed ka is cheaper than a sr20 swap then you obvioulsy dont have as much knowledge as you want people to think.
why would you sacrifice 400cc of displacement when we all know displacement and boost is what utimately nets horsepower, true the ka is not the most free reving engine around but with a set of crower v2 or v3 cams and some valve train work you can allow the motor to easily rev to 8000 rpm.
but the whole point is not to have a motor to rev to all these crazy rpm's but to make proper torque to horsepower ratio that is close to 1/1 that is a succesful motor.
how dumb can it be to have a 1000 horsepower motor but only be making 500 fpt. on 40+ psi.
either way you guys seem to all talk and know everything so please tell me what is the best thing to do.
The KA is only good for one thing: Banging togther a turbo project with spare parts from your garage, and replacing the motor when it blows from making 50 more horse than stock, since they only go for $300 a pop. Any money spent on a KA to make it fast would yeild better results on a proper motor, period.
05-21-2006, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SBC262TT
Buddy, i don't know who you are talking about, but the SR20 is a proven motor, fad or not. The KA is a truck motor they threw into 240's because they couldent get the SR to pass emissions here. Do you know why noone outside of North America is importing and turboing the KA's? Because they are junk compared to real turbo motors. The SR is one of the best 2.0L engines in the world, lack of displacement isnt killing it. How a motor is designed from the factory has a big effect on what it's meant to do, a KA was never meant to be turbo, so it will never surpass a proper perfomance built turbo motor.
The KA is only good for one thing: Banging togther a turbo project with spare parts from your garage, and replacing the motor when it blows from making 50 more horse than stock, since they only go for $300 a pop. Any money spent on a KA to make it fast would yeild better results on a proper motor, period.
The KA is only good for one thing: Banging togther a turbo project with spare parts from your garage, and replacing the motor when it blows from making 50 more horse than stock, since they only go for $300 a pop. Any money spent on a KA to make it fast would yeild better results on a proper motor, period.
omg i think based on what you said i should change all my plans because you are such a smArt individual.
you sound like the typical sr20 lover.
take it easy.
05-21-2006, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SBC262TT
Buddy, i don't know who you are talking about, but the SR20 is a proven motor, fad or not. The KA is a truck motor they threw into 240's because they couldent get the SR to pass emissions here. Do you know why noone outside of North America is importing and turboing the KA's? Because they are junk compared to real turbo motors. The SR is one of the best 2.0L engines in the world, lack of displacement isnt killing it. How a motor is designed from the factory has a big effect on what it's meant to do, a KA was never meant to be turbo, so it will never surpass a proper perfomance built turbo motor.
The KA is only good for one thing: Banging togther a turbo project with spare parts from your garage, and replacing the motor when it blows from making 50 more horse than stock, since they only go for $300 a pop. Any money spent on a KA to make it fast would yeild better results on a proper motor, period.
The KA is only good for one thing: Banging togther a turbo project with spare parts from your garage, and replacing the motor when it blows from making 50 more horse than stock, since they only go for $300 a pop. Any money spent on a KA to make it fast would yeild better results on a proper motor, period.
A PROPERLY built KA will destroy a PROPERLY built SR20.
NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT!
But it will of course cost more to build a KA.
05-21-2006, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarboroughdub
either way you guys seem to all talk and know everything so please tell me what is the best thing to do.
05-22-2006, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Scarboroughdub
last time i checked a longer stroke yields more torque. and horsepower is only a mathematical number attained from actual torque.
once again i know you werent born last night but maybe 2 nights ago.
once again i know you werent born last night but maybe 2 nights ago.
05-22-2006, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 4cefed6
As much as this dub dude seems like an idiot, you are far worse.
A PROPERLY built KA will destroy a PROPERLY built SR20.
NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT!
But it will of course cost more to build a KA.
A PROPERLY built KA will destroy a PROPERLY built SR20.
NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT!
But it will of course cost more to build a KA.
These are the highest power KA's i've ever seen.
SR's are into the 4 digit range.
I'm not a "SR lover" but it is a better motor, pound for pound than a KA24. I don't care what your BF told you, people who build KA's are either cheap, want to be "unique" and "original" compared to SR guys, and hang on to some fallacy that .4 litres will suddenly make up for the fact that it's an inferior design.
Why don't you people get? he says "i'm only into real cars" but his car is powered by a truck motor. The main motto of KA-T guys seems to be "NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT", but why stick with a 4 banger in the first place? 1JZ, RB25, LS1, and other small blocks kill it in terms of displacement, power, and aftermarket.
Morons.
05-22-2006, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SBC262TT
http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4303
These are the highest power KA's i've ever seen.
SR's are into the 4 digit range.
I'm not a "SR lover" but it is a better motor, pound for pound than a KA24. I don't care what your BF told you, people who build KA's are either cheap, want to be "unique" and "original" compared to SR guys, and hang on to some fallacy that .4 litres will suddenly make up for the fact that it's an inferior design.
Why don't you people get? he says "i'm only into real cars" but his car is powered by a truck motor. The main motto of KA-T guys seems to be "NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT", but why stick with a 4 banger in the first place? 1JZ, RB25, LS1, and other small blocks kill it in terms of displacement, power, and aftermarket.
Morons.
These are the highest power KA's i've ever seen.
SR's are into the 4 digit range.
I'm not a "SR lover" but it is a better motor, pound for pound than a KA24. I don't care what your BF told you, people who build KA's are either cheap, want to be "unique" and "original" compared to SR guys, and hang on to some fallacy that .4 litres will suddenly make up for the fact that it's an inferior design.
Why don't you people get? he says "i'm only into real cars" but his car is powered by a truck motor. The main motto of KA-T guys seems to be "NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT", but why stick with a 4 banger in the first place? 1JZ, RB25, LS1, and other small blocks kill it in terms of displacement, power, and aftermarket.
Morons.
"oh know, the internet has XXXXhp sr20's and only xxxhp KA24's so the sr20 MUST be better!!!!!"
0.4L DOES make an enormous difference. Especially considering the vast differences in bore/stroke between the engines. Torque wins races.
Money aside, the KA SHOULD be able to produce more power than a similar SR20. With the right parts.
05-22-2006, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 4cefed6
Money aside, the KA SHOULD be able to produce more power than a similar SR20. With the right parts.
In theory rotaries are better than piston engines
in theory communism is a great system to run a country
Sadly, reality shows us otherwise.
05-22-2006, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SBC262TT
In theory it should, yes.
In theory rotaries are better than piston engines
in theory communism is a great system to run a country
Sadly, reality shows us otherwise.
In theory rotaries are better than piston engines
in theory communism is a great system to run a country
Sadly, reality shows us otherwise.
05-23-2006, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SBC262TT
http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4303
These are the highest power KA's i've ever seen.
SR's are into the 4 digit range.
I'm not a "SR lover" but it is a better motor, pound for pound than a KA24. I don't care what your BF told you, people who build KA's are either cheap, want to be "unique" and "original" compared to SR guys, and hang on to some fallacy that .4 litres will suddenly make up for the fact that it's an inferior design.
Why don't you people get? he says "i'm only into real cars" but his car is powered by a truck motor. The main motto of KA-T guys seems to be "NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT", but why stick with a 4 banger in the first place? 1JZ, RB25, LS1, and other small blocks kill it in terms of displacement, power, and aftermarket.
Morons.
These are the highest power KA's i've ever seen.
SR's are into the 4 digit range.
I'm not a "SR lover" but it is a better motor, pound for pound than a KA24. I don't care what your BF told you, people who build KA's are either cheap, want to be "unique" and "original" compared to SR guys, and hang on to some fallacy that .4 litres will suddenly make up for the fact that it's an inferior design.
Why don't you people get? he says "i'm only into real cars" but his car is powered by a truck motor. The main motto of KA-T guys seems to be "NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT", but why stick with a 4 banger in the first place? 1JZ, RB25, LS1, and other small blocks kill it in terms of displacement, power, and aftermarket.
Morons.
now its closer to the mid 7's shooting for the 4 digits.
either way you guys can all claim this and that and call each other idiots and we can go one forever.
only 4 or 5 words
proove it at the track