gldwngr

Seems like they already have, given today's demonstration of how easily two cars can be rendered into scrap metal.

It's also quite apparent that the second Civic that did not crash up near Stoufville qualifies, as did the Mercedes that was left unscathed on Mavis Rd a week later. And while we're at it, I see more candidates for seizure in the form of the Mercedes that did not crash in the street race that killed the cabbie on Mt Pleasant last January, and if identified and located, the two other Corvettes believed to be involved in the suspected street-racing crash the other night on the 427.

And regardless of whether a given car meets the legal requirements for forfeiture under the "Remedies for Organized Crime and Other Unlawful Activities Act", Harper's proposed new legislation includes forfeiture orders for the simple act of street racing even in absence of bodily injury or acquisition of property. It's going to get much easier to seize a car.

It's going to be very interesting to see how this all shakes out.

snoopy

I would like to know if they were seized and destroyed or the owners just simply walked away after the 45 day impound charge.

I'm sorry an EF hatch doesn't exactly qualify in my books as a street racing MACHINE...

Do you think the media would not be all over the confiscated cars if they had indeed have been confiscated?

And one of the vettes has contacted police. I thought you were better informed than to comment on things which have been published in YESTERDAYS paper. I think you're either slipping or already thinking about the weekend. Shame on you.

Very interesting indeed.

But let me ask you this. In my area there is a tubbed mopar that regularly lays patches on main roads. The driver is about 40 and the car in my estimation is worth about 60k. Do you think he will care if the police is on the lookout for riced up hondas to confiscate?

What about the 400+hp stock cars that are coming out these days? Technically if the owners of such vehicles even blipped the throttle they could be convicted and their cars confiscated. How long do you think this will go on for, with all major manufacturers involved in a HP race?

I would welcome the pres. of CAA to come up with a resolution to bring a track to the toronto area, but I'm afraid it was a cheap publicity stunt on his part to get involved. I would love to have him prove me wrong.

Why doesn't the government provide tax breaks for companies that sponsor a local track?

In reality you will probably come back with the usual "it's illegal we must kill it" but fail to realize there is only one of you and millions of kids out there who don't listen to your preaching here

Turbo Jer

I like this guys point, why the hell are you even on this board anyways gldwngr?

un4givn

I think Snoopy's assessment of the situation seems a little more realistic. Neither of those cars meet the criteria (to my knowledge) of having been used in the illegal attainment of property, and likely the owners were not convicted under criminal code offences. It is more than likely that the cars were merely abandoned at the impound yard, a lien registered and defaulted upon, and the 'right of disposition' given to the 'storer' of the vehicle. The province then acquired the vehicle for this public destruction demonstration.

Anyways.... let's go on with the rest.


The cars you have mentioned satisfy the criteria in that they were involved in an alleged crime that caused serious bodily harm to any person and therefore 'technically' qualify for the siezure act. However, there still has to be a conviction made against the accused to determine if their INVOLVEMENT in the incident is of a negligent nature, or if the deceased (in both cases) was not operating their vehicles with due attention causing an unfortunate accident. In the case of the Corvettes, there is nothing to warrant the accusations of racing other than it having been a young male driving a sports car. Speeding, more than likely.... But racing? Come on. It's the 427! You've driven it! Even doing the speed limit you're liable to ram into the back of an airport limo that has just cut you off!

I have yet to read the actual proposed ammendments, but again, it's going to be VERY difficult to prove the 'racing' quotient in any one of these cases. Existing laws do a satisfactory job of enforcing against recklessness with Criminal Negligence and Dangerous Operation of a Motor Vehicle both falling under criminal code proceedings.

-un4givn

gldwngr

They don't need to listen to me "preach". All they need do is take another look at the video of cars being crushed, the potential new CRIMINAL penalties for street racing, and then decide for themselves if it's still worth the few seconds of thrill.

I'm sure some surely will continue, just as some people still insisted on drinking and driving after that crack-down took place. But drinking and driving , which was once though to be cool, now confers a sort of social pariah status on anyone caught doing so. It's not cool any more.

So too are attitudes quickly changing on the issue of street racing. But for many, it's no longer cool - it's just plain stupid. And soon to be criminal.

un4givn

If anything, it will take over a year for any legislation to actually come into effect (if it goes to a third reading and a vote), and likely before then we'll see another federal election or shuffle of some sort that will cause the legislation to fall into the background. It's a private member's bill.... not exactly a priority.

As well, regardless of the law existing, it still needs to be validated before a court to really be a concern for anyone out there racing right now.

Existing laws already deal with the 'problem' adequately. This new legal definition of street racing will just further complicate the system, allowing for more loopholes for dismissal.

gldwngr

If that was the case, the province would not have need the Civil Remedies process to obtain the cars. The storage yard holding the vehicles could simply have signed them over to the province. There is a legal paper trail you can look up if you want, or if any skeptic reporter wants. IT is what it is - the two former owners lost their cars not to abandonment, but to forfeiture.


I didn't say that they were going to be seized, only that they are good candidates to have it happen. We'll see what happens following conviction, but it looks like the province is getting serious about using recently enacted new Civil Remedies Act as one more tool in the arsenal. When the federal street racing bill gets passed, I'm quite sure they will use that to its full extent as well.


The new legislation is supposed to expand the definition of "racing". From what I have heard, it will be possible to be convicted for racing even if no second car is present. Simply travelling at a rate significantly faster than surrounding traffic could qualify you for that, just as it now does in some US states. That should simplify the evidence required to obtain conviction.

gldwngr

Judging from what I've heard on the street, the shock value in yesterday's demolition is already proving to be of serious concern to more than a few.

Small steps, one at a time, will still eventually get you to your destination.

nuch

Considering those 2 cars were just pulled out of nowhere, with no background associated to them. It was just a huge publicity stunt.

On the way home from work last night, I saw 3 races in a short period.

All these threats don't seem to be working whatsoever.

Keep thinking that it will, and you may as well be Sgt. Cam Wooley preaching how K&N intakes are illegal.

allmotor

Downsview runway could be used as a track its been done in the states and helped . But we dont want to be like the americans lol.

snoopy

Criminal penalties or getting pulled over on the way to cayuga and getting a $380 smog ticket for trying to do the "right" thing. While driving 1.5 hours each way at $1/L, also paying to be at the track. Waiting for the noobcannons to break and get cleaned off so I can get 6 passes in a night.

Can you stand in a parking lot near the townhouses at Jane/Finch with a large sign displaying "VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER?"

I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying sometimes you go off the deep end with all the propaganda that has been fed to you by the media.

gldwngr

Since when does driving to the track exempt you from having the required emissions equipment on your car?

NOTORIOUS VR

here a petition started by Fukenricen, and a site dedicated to bringin a track to TO:


http://www.giveusatrack.info/

2TONE_93GT

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Yea, well i dont think Rui's attempt is going to help anything, or some petition.
Clearly this has been up for debate for years, and sascha, why you all of a sudden think this one particular petition will make a difference is beyond me.

Personally, i wouldnt waste my time.

snoopy

My car did not come with a catalytic. Gave up trying to explain it to the officer.

He was a know it all. You know what I mean? Kinda like you.

How come you only touched on this issue and not the others?

Feeling insecure?