nascarmaniac

what town is that? there arn't too many muskokans on this board
but seriously I do plan on moving to my cottage, but not because of immigrants at all, I just love it in the country period

birdie92k

iTrader: (1)

You're not against any race or religion? Yet you encourage even with an Amen, moving to a white majority area. You think fukcin 2 year olds are on this website? (*StealthZ aside*)

This thread has gotten a bit out of control in my opinion and definitely has some pretty fukcin racist comments. Surprised that some of you felt that strongly against incoming non-whites. Fukc that racist .

However, however, even though I myself am an immigrant, I do feel as though our duty as immigrants is to show MUTUAL respect for Canadian (white) culture and try our best to assimilate into it but certainly not to the point where we've lost our own culture.

Yes I do agree that some brown people can do better when it comes to their jackets having high smells of their cultural foods but that goes without saying really. I am against ethnic enclaves especially when they become as big as brampton for the South Asians and generally any big enclave that works towards their own selfish benefit and not the benefit of Canada as a whole. White enclaves included.

This can go on forever. Bottom line is that before the points system, immigrants were white unless there weren't enough whites to do the job. As in the cases of West Indian housekeepers, chinese railroad builders and coal miners and so on. Even at the time of WW2 Japanese property were taken from them illegally and they were placed in camps in BC, including kids, and some even sent back to Japan. A little heard of fact. Go ahead and google it if you have doubts. I'll leave it at that for now.

nascarmaniac

I have an honest question:

When you or any other immigrants come to Canada, where do you choose to live? Usually do you not choose a place where you are amongst your own.? i.e. Brampton, Vancouver, Toronto. How else does a city become so dominated by a culture or race and others like Calgary don't? Does GTISleeze not have the same right to live to where he is amongst his own culture and race? Instead of moving to Calgary he chooses Muskoka. That being said I agree with you that that this segregation is completely wrong and that immigration is *** backwards to as it should be(this grouping of races). Pico Iyer, traveller and writer, “Mongrel Beauties,” expresses in his literature exactly. specifically he points out the wrongs of immigration. But nothing is forced upon anyone as to where they live. It is not the same as WWII in the sense that people's rights are taken away. If you are trying to compare a man receiving a traffic ticket to WWII, I am sorry but there is no connection. It is NOT a man's right to ride a motorcycle, nor is it to drive a car. Thus no right is being taken away from him. Call me naive or racist, but i think that this man is breaking the law and therefore he cannot ride. Amish people o bite the rules of the road by stopping at stop lights, and not endangering the lives of themselves or others.

P.S. A man called into CFRB radio who is Sikh who wears headgear that satisfies his religion and allows him to wear a helmet. Also I play Hockey, and guess what many "brown" players play with helmets. Now not all of them are Sikh but some surly are...

GTISleeze

I was never intending to offend anybody, all I meant was that if you didn't want to live an area with a high population of non-white people, the Muskokas would be great for that because it does have a severe lack of cultural diversity

nascarmaniac

That is the truth, and nobody is preventing non-white people to live there

judgez24

then he should respect the job that has become available to him. whats next, cops are gonna start wearing cut off jeans and flanel shirts because theyre rednecks? if he wants respect he has to earn it and by wearing a turban on his head with the badge on it it shows to be a lack of respect on his behalf.

judgez24

very well said, its a privilage not a right. i for one hate everyone equally. every culture has its faults. what i dislike is when a culture tries to change our beliefs after coming to this country. they make it seem as if theyre doing us a favor by coming here and trying to change our beliefs and our way of life. jsut to accomodate them. i for one am completely against that.

heres a good comparison. i go to one of their churchs and try to convince them that mohammed was made up and ala is a fool. and then i try to pass of my beliefs onto them. its like those god damn johavas that come to your door and try to preach to you. they fall into the same category.

birdie92k

iTrader: (1)

Well when I came to Canada from Guyana in the West Indies (Caribbean), we lived in Whitby (white-bie as its been called at times) and I've said to people many times over that it was bad and good. It was bas because yes there weren't any Guyanese people that we knew there and it was always exciting to talk to one. We had a St.Vincentian couple living to our right so they were in touch with Caribbean culture and yes it was good. That was it though. Caribbean people weren't taking over Whitby. Now, it was good because living in a "Canadian" community meant that I had to assimilate faster if I was expected to make headway in society and achieve my personal goals. Its no secret and a well documented fact that speaking with a Canadian accent increases your chances of landing job interviews. Never the less, you're correct in that the majority of immigrants choose to live amongst their own. I support this as I've said, but to a resonable extent. Basically, get comfortable with your new surroundings, get a good foundation and then move the fukc on and be Canadianized.

Yes, he would have the right to live amongst his own but when that choice is based on whiteness, that's racism.

The WW11 comparison was only to show that Canada in its younger days was openly racist and many of those sentiments are still around. Today though, racism is quite cloaked. Even under the law. For example, a motion to diminish or openly admit the whiteness of something can be deemed to be unconstitutional.

I 100% agree that this asshat needs to wear a helmet so if that wasn't clear before please let it be known now. He nor any sikh/rasta/mumbo jumbo should be given special privilege in cases where its a matter of public safety. You're right that riding a motorcycle is a privilege as is driving and rules have to be followed.

Typical sporting examples as you mention. In cricket (yes I know its boring to you and some of you might be thinking..cricket?? I don't get it..lol) there's a guy named Harbhajan Singh who plays for the Indian cricket team and he wears a Turban when "pitching" and wears a helmet over it when "hitting". So buddy on his bike can go smoke a pole.

Fair enough. Everyone has choice. Publicly making certain statements would fall into the racist category if you see what I mean. Also goes both ways, as if I worked at immigration and someone made a "joke" about going to live in brampton because it was where the brown people were, I'd fukcin give them a wink and then hand them their *** on a platter and tell them go fukc themselves.

I think that this is a special case due to the fact that it is beneficial to have more police in the community and the mix of officers helps to address matters of equality and profiling. This is definitely a complicated case. It even has in part to do with the fact that Sikh UN peacekeeping troops are allowed to wear their turban and not a helmet.

Tor.Star

"Today, several Sikh CN Rail employees who have jobs requiring hard hats due to safety wear their turbans under a hard hat.


FIREFIGHTER SAFETY TRUMPS

Although it has never been an issue for Toronto firefighters, wearing a turban would not be permitted because of the dangers of the job. In such a situation, workplace safety would outweigh religious rights."

I think its case by case and the Sikh cops wearing their turban is fine but like I said dude not wearing a helmet...lets make his *** crash if we see him and see how many more will not wear helmets.

Kuztom Freak

Like I said in the other Turban Thread - if they have DOT approved Turban Helmet thingies, then OK, kinda like kosher meals. Have a turban that is pre-wrapped/pre-wound up in a factory and "set" so it cannot be unwound, have the outter part coated or something so it forms a shell, then have them tested just like a helmet, have some sort of chin strap on it and BINGO - you got a turban that is as safe as a helmet, but is a turban acceptable by that faith.

This guy might wind his up tight but some other guy might not, causing his to unwind or fly off posing a danger to him and anyone behind him. Have an agreed upon standard.

birdie92k

iTrader: (1)

Well firstly religion and culture are not the same. Secondly the fact that you say, "they make it seem as if theyre doing us a favor by coming here and trying to change our beliefs and our way of life" proves exactly what studies show. You've already assumed that the "white way is the right way". I understand where you're coming from none the less. Here's a question. If someone is BORN here and isn't white and wears a turban for HIS beliefs, then wouldn't you have been institutionally racist in denying him being a cop for it? That pretty much why they're now allowed to as a cop. You're putting all coloured people into the immigrant pile.

Who do you think first defined superiority and inferiority on the basis of skin colour? Which is what we call races today? You got it...white people!

To go forward we have to first eliminate "white privilege" institutionally and socially. Think about how its been bred into us. Look at things we take for granted. Yes I'm also guilty of using it at times.

White lie - a fib you can get away with

white wedding dress - represents purity

unicorns - yep never seen a black one yet, always white

white knight - noble etc.

white light at the end of the tunnel - it can't be yellow?

Now the other side of that coin.

Black lie - no coming back

Black sheep - yep he's the outcast

black magic - its bad news

black magic ball - associated with voodoo which is not good

black dress - usually associated with funerals

black knight - yeh he's the evil one

black book

black list

black market

Notice anything?

birdie92k

iTrader: (1)

I might be an engineer by my undergrad but I'm a sociologist by second nature.

I actually think it would be interesting to sort of find out at what age we gain unconscious racist beliefs. I want to do a simple experiment and have a picture of white, black and brown Canadian mounties shown to very young kids and ask them to choose which ones they thought were Canadian and see what the results are.

I see improvements which I'm very happy about. I just want us to all get along and love Canada and Canadian culture. Get "white washed" a bit I guess...oh and wear fukcin helmets!

lowbalt

A turban is not something that's fashionable, it is part of the culture/religion. There's nothing that say's you cant wear a turban and be an officer of the law.

judgez24

pretty sure there was, which is why the rcmp wouldnt allow it until that guy put up a stink. i personally find it as a sign of disrespect. whats next, your gonna get copswalking around in those dresses some of the middle eastern guys wear because its what theyre used to wearing back home?

judgez24

someone posted this on another board im on, branptons new chapter of hells angels.

judgez24

i dont have time to read all the messages after mine because im running a little late this morning but i wanted to add this before i forgert it. its soemthing for you guys to ponder.

kid that wears a turban works at a fast food palce. hes asked to clean out the deep frieer. now weve all seen it, they wear the gloves, the apron and the face shield. problem is the shields strap doesnt fit over his turban. so he either has to remove the turban or not wear a face shield. what are your thoughts on that?