rc3932

I'm just wondering, cuz i see it all the time
like B16 with 30,000km, D16 with 30,000 JDM swap 30,000km
am i just wrong to think it's a cheap scam not to list what the engine
had upon being swapped? I don't think honda factories make those old engines brand new anymore, and even if they did it wouldn't be too cheap anyways.
and JDMs, what is it? I thought it stood for Japanese Domestic Market, as in like it was made for japanese domestic market and they imported it
but so many people put it for cars that were produced for US/CA,

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Gonads

hmmm that is a good point you bring up, i've seen that quite a bit too. Maybe JDM specs? i dunno. maybe there are alot of scammers and fanboys out there?

rabbitman

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Once the motor is pulled from the car, and has no ECU connected, or whatever, I could sell any motor, and tell you it's got whatever mileage I want, and there's really no way to tell for sure. Sure, if it's a high mileage engine, you could tell by tearing the motor down and inspecting rings, bearings, etc, but even those on an engine that's well maintained won't tell you much. I've seen motors run on synthetic, torn down, and you can't see any wear at all. However, in the case of the B series motors, or any other performance car motor, there are plenty of wrecked Type R's, etc kicking around, and there are plenty that "disappear". When you buy a motor, unless you get a new crate motor from the factory, you don't know what you're getting, unless you tear it apart.

AMKK

People swap in JDM motors because due to smog laws our North American motors (or USDM) generally had less horsepower due to lower compression ratings. Just a quick way to gain a few ponies.

rabbitman

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I think he's referring to the mileage, not the motor specs.

SuprAdam

1. It becomes to expensive in Japan to own a car with high milleage because the Japanese government has very strict laws or some along those lines. So they scrap them, and we take them overseas.

2. Japan is a very small place that is PACKED like sardins. You can't really do to much driving on a daily basis so most cars have very little milleage on them.

Apparently anyways.

drift_n_shift

yea, its called the shaken tax or something. if your cars like 5 years old or something, they tax you and try and force you to buy a new car. but no one exactly knows the exact mileage in these motors that the cdn importers get. unless you have a contact in japan to pull a motor for you and ship it, you just have to hope its low

shitbox

interesting indeed! you brought up some good points there! Those questions had popped up in my head too but i was too lazy to make a thread about it.
i think people have to do some serious inspection when they're buying an old engine.

AMKK

Point taken, back to school for me...

Strokerace

I believe the in japan, they go by milage and age of the car. It has to do with emissions and taxes over there. If a motor gets to 50,000 k's, its considered a high miler and will not pass emissions. They are then scraped.

Young gun

also maybe ppl just do a rebuild b4 dropping it in, 30 000hms since the build

..77.

When you see a japan import motor and they say it has 30-50 k,s on it . It looks like a new engine . A domestic motor with 50 k,s on it looks like sh&t by comparison. Customers at the shop I work at are pretty impressed when they see how clean the stuff is , especially when its going into a 200k car.
What gets me is the ad says , 30 k import swap but you just know the k,s since the swap were almost all WOT , except for time idling at a light or drive thru.haha..77.

kasimmmmm

yes its stated incorrectly most of the time.
You just have to be smart with what you're buying and make sure everything works. I asked for full compression testing and paid for the motor once I saw it running the way it was supposed to.

JDm_92

In japan, motors can only go to about 40-50,000km, before they are forced to scrap the motors (due to their very strict emissions standards). So what happens to these motors? They get shipped over to us Honda heads so we can swap them into our cars for dirt cheap....

drift_n_shift

i dont think 4000 for a B18C1 installed is cheap. or 8-9k for k

i bet back in the day before everyone started doign this it was cheaper