russian georgian conflict
08-20-2008, 07:13 AM
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**** em, maybe they can blow eachother up, then we can swoop in there and steal the russians oil. lol. i actually havent followed this too much, i dont pick up the paper too much because i get disgusted by the garbage going on in this area.
08-20-2008, 11:57 AM
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The way I see it is that Georgia has oil and the states is pretty much invading every country to get their hands on oil, so Russia did the same thing and guess what, US got involved..
Obviously there is more to this story then we know but then again ish happens..
Obviously there is more to this story then we know but then again ish happens..
08-20-2008, 02:26 PM
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ROFL... no one has a clue WTF is happening there. and the media is soooooo biased.
GEORGIA has NO oil, like a tiny bit... but essentially none to matter, same goes for natural gas. This conflict started because in Georgia there is a seperatist territory South Osseatia, full of ethnic Ossetians which fought & won a battle back in 1991 and became autnomous. Georgia hasn't had a decent government or military presence since. Georgia has new pro-western president who decided that he's gonna retake this seperatist territory, he was warned byt Russia repeatdly not to start a war in their backyard, and not solve the issue with bombing. They did it anyways, they began bombing the city & full scale ground assault. So Russia crossed the border to counter the Georgians, but went a tad overboard and decided to pursue them into Georgia proper and bomb lots of in Georgia proper, maybe to make sure Georgia learns its lesson.
Whos right & whos wrong? Hard to say, I think Russia went overboard but is somewhat justified with intervention. And Georgia was dumb as **** to start this, they should have known what would happen. Also this situation mirrors Kosovo almost exactly.
GEORGIA has NO oil, like a tiny bit... but essentially none to matter, same goes for natural gas. This conflict started because in Georgia there is a seperatist territory South Osseatia, full of ethnic Ossetians which fought & won a battle back in 1991 and became autnomous. Georgia hasn't had a decent government or military presence since. Georgia has new pro-western president who decided that he's gonna retake this seperatist territory, he was warned byt Russia repeatdly not to start a war in their backyard, and not solve the issue with bombing. They did it anyways, they began bombing the city & full scale ground assault. So Russia crossed the border to counter the Georgians, but went a tad overboard and decided to pursue them into Georgia proper and bomb lots of in Georgia proper, maybe to make sure Georgia learns its lesson.
Whos right & whos wrong? Hard to say, I think Russia went overboard but is somewhat justified with intervention. And Georgia was dumb as **** to start this, they should have known what would happen. Also this situation mirrors Kosovo almost exactly.
08-21-2008, 12:17 AM
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Except for the fact one of the main oil lines that goes from Russia to Europe goes through Georgia, so if Georgia or whatever was to take that oil, that makes them a big power which is the reason why US is getting involved..
Do you really think US gives a about anyone but themselves? Why do you think they went into Afghanistan and Iraq? No wonder Iran is so pissed and ready to nuke the US, otherwise US would be inside Iran already..
Do you really think US gives a about anyone but themselves? Why do you think they went into Afghanistan and Iraq? No wonder Iran is so pissed and ready to nuke the US, otherwise US would be inside Iran already..
08-21-2008, 07:41 AM
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the u.s just loves having people hate them. its a fact. theyre a bunch of silly bitches. they get involved in evey war that doesnt concern them, loose lots of men and then make a big deal ove it. heres a solution, stop getting involved and let those countries battle things out for themselves
08-21-2008, 12:59 PM
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I find it ironic and hypocritical of those who live in the U.S. and Canada who love to bitch about wars. The only reason you have your freedom of speech and opinion, big, fast cars (like your 5.0L mustang pictured above) is because of war and them defending your nation.
If it weren't for the agressive styles of the U.S. we'd be soviet russia ourselves or giving praise to Hitler with no choice. The only reason you can even voice your opinion and say anything about it is because of those who fought and died. So pull your heads out of the sand and realise there are some generals, special ops, navy, army, etc. etc. Personnel who have done the job far longer than Mr. Bush making the decisions. He's merely the puppet delivering the bad news. If you think some noob who's been voted into office immediately makes those decisions you're sorely mistaken. Give it a thought.
I also hate how we prioritize people. Some idiot rap artise gets on the microphone and mumbles like 50 cent and makes MILLIONS meanwhile there's a 25 year old soldier in a trench wondering if he's gonna be alive in a few hours making jack compared to most. We have a real funny way in society of appreciating and rewarding the wrong people. Bunch of ingrates... North American people have no one to blame but themselves. If you don't want war in Iraq or over oil, stop building and buying high HP cars.
If it weren't for the agressive styles of the U.S. we'd be soviet russia ourselves or giving praise to Hitler with no choice. The only reason you can even voice your opinion and say anything about it is because of those who fought and died. So pull your heads out of the sand and realise there are some generals, special ops, navy, army, etc. etc. Personnel who have done the job far longer than Mr. Bush making the decisions. He's merely the puppet delivering the bad news. If you think some noob who's been voted into office immediately makes those decisions you're sorely mistaken. Give it a thought.
I also hate how we prioritize people. Some idiot rap artise gets on the microphone and mumbles like 50 cent and makes MILLIONS meanwhile there's a 25 year old soldier in a trench wondering if he's gonna be alive in a few hours making jack compared to most. We have a real funny way in society of appreciating and rewarding the wrong people. Bunch of ingrates... North American people have no one to blame but themselves. If you don't want war in Iraq or over oil, stop building and buying high HP cars.
08-21-2008, 01:48 PM
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Soldiers currently enlist, not drafted. They have the same freedom and right to become rappers themselves.
The political decision to invade and occupy someone elses country seems to be the issue at hand, not 'wars' in general. We have allies and we should defend them as best as possible, but they have to make decisions that also affect everyone globally.
The US fighting and occupying many countries leaves their military thin IMO.
Freedom of Speach, Charter of rights etc is a term used losely. There really isnt that much freedom. Sure Canada may not be as bad a china, but we aren't 100% free.
In some peoples eyes, Hitler wasn't all that bad.
I don't believe there is any generals, special ops, navy or army personal deciding where we go, I believe there are more devious people with financial interests at the root of what goes down.
As for your last statement. The occupation in Iraq won't be stopped any time soon, even if people listened to you and stopped buying big hp cars (which clearly is such a super tiny % of the overall consumption / problem). While the media would like me to believe my SUV has brought this on, I find that hard to believe
But, i guess the freedom and rights we have do allow some to complain (bitch).
The political decision to invade and occupy someone elses country seems to be the issue at hand, not 'wars' in general. We have allies and we should defend them as best as possible, but they have to make decisions that also affect everyone globally.
The US fighting and occupying many countries leaves their military thin IMO.
Freedom of Speach, Charter of rights etc is a term used losely. There really isnt that much freedom. Sure Canada may not be as bad a china, but we aren't 100% free.
In some peoples eyes, Hitler wasn't all that bad.
I don't believe there is any generals, special ops, navy or army personal deciding where we go, I believe there are more devious people with financial interests at the root of what goes down.
As for your last statement. The occupation in Iraq won't be stopped any time soon, even if people listened to you and stopped buying big hp cars (which clearly is such a super tiny % of the overall consumption / problem). While the media would like me to believe my SUV has brought this on, I find that hard to believe
But, i guess the freedom and rights we have do allow some to complain (bitch).
08-21-2008, 07:15 PM
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^ I wasn't saying the REASON for it is because of those who drive V8's, I said if you have a problem with it and it hits so close to home shouldn't you do the most you can to alleviate it?
And oh ok, so we shouldn't appreciate soldiers? Because they have the ability to become rappers and movie stars. I guess everyone should just give up being a doctor or soldier or teacher or any other profession, because they can make more money being in the entertainment industry? Where would that leave us? I just think it's brutal how many people I hear bitch daily against Wars in general and all this other yet they live off of every benefit it creates. Absolutely every resource, freedom, dollar, industry etc. we have has benefited from war at some point.
And oh ok, so we shouldn't appreciate soldiers? Because they have the ability to become rappers and movie stars. I guess everyone should just give up being a doctor or soldier or teacher or any other profession, because they can make more money being in the entertainment industry? Where would that leave us? I just think it's brutal how many people I hear bitch daily against Wars in general and all this other yet they live off of every benefit it creates. Absolutely every resource, freedom, dollar, industry etc. we have has benefited from war at some point.
08-24-2008, 05:39 AM
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my take on the georgian conflict now, is similar to what most have said.
thing is that "CCCP"'s power has been strangled by the americans for the past 20 years, and of course russians hate that.
the first step was the fall of the iron curtain, which I believe was done in most contries orchestrated by the americans. for example Laszlo Tokes the hungarian/romanian priest who started the revoloution in Romania, is now widely considered down there a CIA agent. He also dissapeared publicly after the event ... During the iron curtain Romania was russia's little bitch ( like all other countries in the iron curtain or the currently "ex soviet regions" such as Georgia , trapped inside the CCCP.
In countries like Romania and Poland, bordering Russia and western europe, the change in the past 10-15 years is obvious. The americans are invading through decadent culture ( which produces your 50 cent types that make enough money to feed an entire country in the area where they came from ) and of course through business and political influence. This further more strangles Russia, and has reached a high point recently when Ukraine leaned towards accepting US's proposal to install defence shield missiles. If that happens in all such countries, Georgia , Ukraine, Moldova ... The russians become pushed into the cords by the americans big time.
I think that what's happening in Georgia now, aside from other surface reasons, is a simple demonstration of :
- Russian power in the eastern regions
- European Union's lack of ***** to defend the region
This to send a message to both Georgian's and other countries that border russia and want to become US allies. As well of, a test to see, how much they can do before the US steps in. They are aware that, while the US wants those regions, the US is also caught up right now, in fighting for control in other regions, and a full direct conflict would be avoided at first. This would give them enough time to ****up georgia, therefore scaring the Ukrainians and everyone else.
You must understand that most ex soviet regions have separatist groups in them, probably more instigated by russian secret service rather than the russian people themselves. In Moldova right now for example, the separatist groups have also began fighting again ... The Georgia situation could be seen in the near future in other countries ...
As for the rest of things said here :
- American ( and most of the Canadian culture which is a mirror of the American culture ) culture IS DECANDENT . they do produce, idiots, that rap about bullshit, and cause distress in the populace, that get paid more than ... not regular people ... **** regular peopel ... but they get paid more than good doctors with good ethics, and more than critical scientists. I mean ****, if they would be to nationalize all the rapper's money and estates in the US, send the rappers and marlin masons to jail for their crimes against society, and then put those money into Stem cell research ... wow ... ... ...
- the world does seem to be lead by a few people with more money that anybody could imagine. in that case, a secret world governmental structure emerges, where the president, is actually a group of people that nobody knows about, the prime minister , is another group of public people such as presidents of various countries, public financial whales, and heads of secret service , generals ... Theese are probably the people that also lead Egypt and Rome, and they are probably figting the same people that were controlling enemy nations 4000 years ago. ( Anyone know where Summeria was ?
)
- the people who fought and died in WW 2 are a single aspect of the war benefits for the US AND CANADA. and that's the superficial , surface layer of it all. the REAL benefits were gotten from the financial gains of such a war. First of all, AMerica was one of the main business partners of the ****'s. They supplied the germans with various equipment, amongst other's ( funny historical fact ) , IBM computers to help them count and manage the number of jews killed in concentration camps ( if you ever wondered how come the numbers are so accurate ) . IBM in fact, which is curerntly one of the US's leading big names, has gotten big BY making deals with the ****'s. Same goes for banks which eventually were able to spark up all other areas of business of the US and Canada.
- the "freedoms" which the "US brought onto the world" are bullshit. Europe was struggling for freedom for centuries, and now they are just getting to newer levels. However "American Freedom" which is also the freedom you get in canada mostly, is just a very smart refinement of Comunist Dictatoriship . In a comunist dictatoriship , the leader dictates how people should live, and if they don't obey, they go to jail. The comunist dictatorship , takes under 10 years to properly be implemented, and then everyone is aware of having no freedom. The socialist democracy available in canada and the us, is basically THE SAME THING, only that it's all masked under a fake democracy and fake freedoms, which take about 100 years , some 3 generations to properly be forced upon the nation, through the use of gradual brainwashing .
thing is that "CCCP"'s power has been strangled by the americans for the past 20 years, and of course russians hate that.
the first step was the fall of the iron curtain, which I believe was done in most contries orchestrated by the americans. for example Laszlo Tokes the hungarian/romanian priest who started the revoloution in Romania, is now widely considered down there a CIA agent. He also dissapeared publicly after the event ... During the iron curtain Romania was russia's little bitch ( like all other countries in the iron curtain or the currently "ex soviet regions" such as Georgia , trapped inside the CCCP.
In countries like Romania and Poland, bordering Russia and western europe, the change in the past 10-15 years is obvious. The americans are invading through decadent culture ( which produces your 50 cent types that make enough money to feed an entire country in the area where they came from ) and of course through business and political influence. This further more strangles Russia, and has reached a high point recently when Ukraine leaned towards accepting US's proposal to install defence shield missiles. If that happens in all such countries, Georgia , Ukraine, Moldova ... The russians become pushed into the cords by the americans big time.
I think that what's happening in Georgia now, aside from other surface reasons, is a simple demonstration of :
- Russian power in the eastern regions
- European Union's lack of ***** to defend the region
This to send a message to both Georgian's and other countries that border russia and want to become US allies. As well of, a test to see, how much they can do before the US steps in. They are aware that, while the US wants those regions, the US is also caught up right now, in fighting for control in other regions, and a full direct conflict would be avoided at first. This would give them enough time to ****up georgia, therefore scaring the Ukrainians and everyone else.
You must understand that most ex soviet regions have separatist groups in them, probably more instigated by russian secret service rather than the russian people themselves. In Moldova right now for example, the separatist groups have also began fighting again ... The Georgia situation could be seen in the near future in other countries ...
As for the rest of things said here :
- American ( and most of the Canadian culture which is a mirror of the American culture ) culture IS DECANDENT . they do produce, idiots, that rap about bullshit, and cause distress in the populace, that get paid more than ... not regular people ... **** regular peopel ... but they get paid more than good doctors with good ethics, and more than critical scientists. I mean ****, if they would be to nationalize all the rapper's money and estates in the US, send the rappers and marlin masons to jail for their crimes against society, and then put those money into Stem cell research ... wow ... ... ...
- the world does seem to be lead by a few people with more money that anybody could imagine. in that case, a secret world governmental structure emerges, where the president, is actually a group of people that nobody knows about, the prime minister , is another group of public people such as presidents of various countries, public financial whales, and heads of secret service , generals ... Theese are probably the people that also lead Egypt and Rome, and they are probably figting the same people that were controlling enemy nations 4000 years ago. ( Anyone know where Summeria was ?
) - the people who fought and died in WW 2 are a single aspect of the war benefits for the US AND CANADA. and that's the superficial , surface layer of it all. the REAL benefits were gotten from the financial gains of such a war. First of all, AMerica was one of the main business partners of the ****'s. They supplied the germans with various equipment, amongst other's ( funny historical fact ) , IBM computers to help them count and manage the number of jews killed in concentration camps ( if you ever wondered how come the numbers are so accurate ) . IBM in fact, which is curerntly one of the US's leading big names, has gotten big BY making deals with the ****'s. Same goes for banks which eventually were able to spark up all other areas of business of the US and Canada.
- the "freedoms" which the "US brought onto the world" are bullshit. Europe was struggling for freedom for centuries, and now they are just getting to newer levels. However "American Freedom" which is also the freedom you get in canada mostly, is just a very smart refinement of Comunist Dictatoriship . In a comunist dictatoriship , the leader dictates how people should live, and if they don't obey, they go to jail. The comunist dictatorship , takes under 10 years to properly be implemented, and then everyone is aware of having no freedom. The socialist democracy available in canada and the us, is basically THE SAME THING, only that it's all masked under a fake democracy and fake freedoms, which take about 100 years , some 3 generations to properly be forced upon the nation, through the use of gradual brainwashing .
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