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04-13-2007, 08:04 AM
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well when tag takes a cobalt ss, and turbocharges it and makes some pathetic numbers, 323 whp at 19 psi. they claiming the clutch was slipping and causing false knock, if they say so, i wasnt there for it, but regardless those numbers done impress me, thats also through a Gt28rs. also at first there was a claim that this was througha built motor and then someone said it wasnt, so im not sure who to believe, regardless, 19 pounds through that turbo youd expect a bit more. i tell ya, if my car only makes 320 whp at 19 pounds a rag and a match will make it faster, lol
04-13-2007, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by judgez24
well when tag takes a cobalt ss, and turbocharges it and makes some pathetic numbers, 323 whp at 19 psi. they claiming the clutch was slipping and causing false knock, if they say so, i wasnt there for it, but regardless those numbers done impress me, thats also through a Gt28rs. also at first there was a claim that this was througha built motor and then someone said it wasnt, so im not sure who to believe, regardless, 19 pounds through that turbo youd expect a bit more. i tell ya, if my car only makes 320 whp at 19 pounds a rag and a match will make it faster, lol
04-13-2007, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAssGN
Yeah, I get 320 hp @ idle....
High boost on a small turbo is 1 step forward 2 steps back, he needs a bigger turbo and less PSI. You'll have cooler air charge temps and more CFM at any given PSI = more power and a more healthy setup which needs less tuning to make right.
04-13-2007, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Aveman
A Gt28rs is a nice turbo, but it's on the small side, at 19 psi it's probably out of it's efficiency range and just pumping out hot air. Sounds like the turbo wasn't sized correctly for the desired power level? If the bugs get worked out it might be able to put down a little more HP but that turbo isn't really rated at anything higher than 320 HP, so I'd be happy.
04-13-2007, 06:30 PM
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its actually a 2 liter and unless someone can tell me otherwise the motor was built like originally stated in the thread i found this in. soa ubilt 2 liter, at 19 psi made 320 whp. not that impressive if you ask me.
04-13-2007, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by judgez24
its actually a 2 liter and unless someone can tell me otherwise the motor was built like originally stated in the thread i found this in. soa ubilt 2 liter, at 19 psi made 320 whp. not that impressive if you ask me.
that turbo is maxed at that power level. its only reason for existance is retarded transient response.
04-13-2007, 07:32 PM
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then tag, being the builders and tuners, should have pixked something much more powerful. who wants to strain their motor all that way to only make 320 hp. hell my buddies srt4 at 20 pounds make 430 whp on a gt30 with a stock motor
04-13-2007, 10:48 PM
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My car makes 300+ @ 11lbs on a stock B16, through a Precision T04E. The GT30 would probably be the closest to that. There's a big difference between a GT28 and a GT30....If your buddy ran a GT30, at 19 lbs, A.) It would pop. B.) It would make 400whp.
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04-14-2007, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AMKK
My car makes 300+ @ 11lbs on a stock B16, through a Precision T04E. The GT30 would probably be the closest to that. There's a big difference between a GT28 and a GT30....If your buddy ran a GT30, at 19 lbs, A.) It would pop. B.) It would make 400whp.
my srt 4 buddy or the cobalt guy? the gt30 in his srt is running 20 pounds, hes been up to 25 but doesnt trust the software controlling the car so hes waiting for his aem to come in before he goes up there again.
04-14-2007, 01:15 AM
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also to add ot this thread. this isnt a shot at mel. ive met him a bunch of times and i dont mind the guy. but people are getting worked over by this shop and it doesnt seem to be just me and people i know that have had bad experiences. seems t obe fairly common. i heard a story about a fella on here that i wont post unless allowed to that would make most of you guys sick and quite angry at the same time.
04-14-2007, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by judgez24
also to add ot this thread. this isnt a shot at mel. ive met him a bunch of times and i dont mind the guy. but people are getting worked over by this shop and it doesnt seem to be just me and people i know that have had bad experiences. seems t obe fairly common. i heard a story about a fella on here that i wont post unless allowed to that would make most of you guys sick and quite angry at the same time.
so basically....what your posting about is word of mouth and hearsay...you actually have had no dealings with Tag or at any point been "screwed by them"...am i right??
so someone put you up to making a thread about a shop that they have had issues with...hmmm whats up with that? they too afraid to chime in and give up thier imput?
Tag may cut some corners...im not gonna dismiss that point, but i will say this, from what i know and have seen... Mel knows how to make power! so his tuning abilities should not be the issue here. and with that being said no 2 cars are alike! and as soon as you slap on that turbo its open season for to start going wrong...thats just the nature of the beast.
so i dont really understand why you have decided to come on a board and start slamming a shop that YOU have had no dealings with....doesnt make sence to me ...
there are tons of horror stories about every shop out there...i have had mine but i dont feel like adding fuel to the fire here and name names....
04-14-2007, 01:39 AM
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who said ive never had dealings with tag? i dont think ive once said that have i?
word of mouth, far from it, personal experience, yes, have had friends who have had issues with them, also yes, and as it seems, we're not the only ones that have had issues. unless your spoon feeding mel what you want done, he cuts corners, you said so yourself. with the money they charge there should be no cutting of corners.
word of mouth, far from it, personal experience, yes, have had friends who have had issues with them, also yes, and as it seems, we're not the only ones that have had issues. unless your spoon feeding mel what you want done, he cuts corners, you said so yourself. with the money they charge there should be no cutting of corners.
04-14-2007, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Aveman
You guys seem to be carrying the theme of do it youself or don't do it. I respect that, problem is there are many people that can't do it themselves but get hyped up by their specific car forums particular niche projects. Good example is the Cougar/Contour 3L swaps one of you guys mentioned, I threw a 3L into my Mystique a couple years ago. Not too many people had done it, and documentation was limited, but if I had a shop do that I would have been bent over and I'm sure it would have looked butchered. If your on a budget and you want a shop to do your work but your going into unchartered territory DON'T DO IT. It's a business, if they promise on something and they can't deliver it, it's usually too late as your car is in a thousand pieces and they HAVE to put it back for you. Instant bad blood. A place like Tag knows their , they build 8 second mustangs, but you know what they still break. It's the nature of the game. Don't forget you have to pay to play. There are way too mani variables when boosting a car that was never meant to be boosted from the factory, to expect a shop to magically be able to guarantee the cars reliability is nonsense, breaks. You have to be on top of if your going to drive a modified car daily. Unless your spending like 20gs on your car and everything has being upgraded.
No shop is perfect, and if they get a reputation of coming close to that, your paying out of your *** anyway.
Moral of the story is if you can't really afford to do it, do it youself. If you don't know what your doing, then learn, if you can't learn then well....
If your getting a custom turbo setup prototyped on your car for a few thousand dollars your getting a deal, when goes wrong WORK with the shop, don't get all pissy, ***** bound to break as your going away from what the manufacturer built the parts for.
Good luck!
BTW here is a video of my old Mystique. I street tuned it with and AFC and got it fine tuned on the dyno. Only gained 2HP but shifted the torque up much earlier on.
YouTube - Mercury Mystique/Ford Contour 3.0L Dyno 201.1WHP
No shop is perfect, and if they get a reputation of coming close to that, your paying out of your *** anyway.
Moral of the story is if you can't really afford to do it, do it youself. If you don't know what your doing, then learn, if you can't learn then well....
If your getting a custom turbo setup prototyped on your car for a few thousand dollars your getting a deal, when goes wrong WORK with the shop, don't get all pissy, ***** bound to break as your going away from what the manufacturer built the parts for.
Good luck!
BTW here is a video of my old Mystique. I street tuned it with and AFC and got it fine tuned on the dyno. Only gained 2HP but shifted the torque up much earlier on.
YouTube - Mercury Mystique/Ford Contour 3.0L Dyno 201.1WHP
04-14-2007, 01:32 PM
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Alright guys well i am not defending tag here but i am just stating some general stuff here. It is by nature that human beings pick out the negative things. Yeah so what tag had maybe come across some issue wether there true by hear say or not. However think about how many successful cars/jobs/installations that have gone well. This happens for every shop out there not just performance shops. The car industry is tough as you can't always have everything be 100%. As another user posted that this performance game is nothing but build, break, and rebuild.
04-14-2007, 09:09 PM
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Yes, Mel has seen this thread and he really doesn't care what you have to say Judgez24. He doesn't even know who you are and he said if you have any issues with him, come talk face to face. Also tell your friends if they're not satisfied with the work, they should voice their opinions and not stay quite and bitch after.
I recommend everyone to go and read this thread, because this is where Judgez24 is getting all his bullshit from.
J-Body Club Of Ontario
Judgez24 is reading other guys posts and then changing around and putting it on this site. All the issues with cavalierss's car, is due to another tuner from cobaltss.net site working on it/ tuning it. The owners of the Cavalier and Solstice insisted that the Cobaltss.net tuner tune it and not MEL.
Yes, that Turbo Cobalt SS is running 20 PSI with stock motor and clutch. That job was not done by Mel; his old business partner did the custom turbo kit did it as a side project and Mel did not make a cent on it. His old partner is no longer with the company yet Mel still honors the work and warranties it.
In this industry you have to tell the shop how you want your custom work to be done, other wise there going to do it there way.
I recommend everyone to go and read this thread, because this is where Judgez24 is getting all his bullshit from.
J-Body Club Of Ontario
Judgez24 is reading other guys posts and then changing around and putting it on this site. All the issues with cavalierss's car, is due to another tuner from cobaltss.net site working on it/ tuning it. The owners of the Cavalier and Solstice insisted that the Cobaltss.net tuner tune it and not MEL.
Yes, that Turbo Cobalt SS is running 20 PSI with stock motor and clutch. That job was not done by Mel; his old business partner did the custom turbo kit did it as a side project and Mel did not make a cent on it. His old partner is no longer with the company yet Mel still honors the work and warranties it.
In this industry you have to tell the shop how you want your custom work to be done, other wise there going to do it there way.
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