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Used Viper, Supra, Vette or Cobra?
04-25-2005, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by midnighter
Since when have Mustangs and F-bodies been similarly priced?
what else is in the pony car segment? i mean really what else is there? mustang, camero, firechicken. thats it. and now it's just the mustang... unless you consider that turd of a charger a pony car
04-25-2005, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 2tone_93gt
here's a better example
(sorry if it had to be off autotrader, but that's just one i had lyin around... much better don't you think)
04-25-2005, 01:01 PM
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Well its a close call between the vettez06 and the viper for me. Im not even going to talk about the other choices lol.
That pic of the Blue viper looks like its a GTS which is a damn nice ride. It definately beats the vette in the looks category same with performance also.
But stock parts on the viper are rediculously expensive and i dont even wanna know what aftermarket will cost. For Both rides repairing parts would be costly but it all depends on how much u can afford to put into your car.
I hope when i turn 25 and my insurance drops to able to afford a used viper or vette. It was tobe triple black though just like all my cars
That pic of the Blue viper looks like its a GTS which is a damn nice ride. It definately beats the vette in the looks category same with performance also.
But stock parts on the viper are rediculously expensive and i dont even wanna know what aftermarket will cost. For Both rides repairing parts would be costly but it all depends on how much u can afford to put into your car.
I hope when i turn 25 and my insurance drops to able to afford a used viper or vette. It was tobe triple black though just like all my cars
04-25-2005, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by midnighter
Since when have Mustangs and F-bodies been similarly priced?
LT1'S were not walking Mustangsl. I disagree. Most LT1'S in stock form were a 14 second car at best, just like a Mustang.
04-25-2005, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by l_bilyk
I doubt that the lack of genIII aftermarket has ANYTHING to do with GM shares... you're talking about a small niche vehicles that have little impact on the entire company. Plus the genIII was introduced in affordable form in 98 and then dissapeared a few years later. How long have the mod-motors been in the mustang?
What has GM produced in the sports car department that's affordable for the average person ? The Vette ? They price themselves out right of the market with anything they make anyway, just like they did with the F-Body.
What's this SSR, or whatever it's called, pickup truck thingy ? It's ugly and for 80 G's before taxes it's all yours ! LOL !
That's why their shares are going down like a truck stop hooker.
04-25-2005, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by monopoly
I hope when i turn 25 and my insurance drops to able to afford a used viper or vette. It was tobe triple black though just like all my cars
04-25-2005, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ricernoob
I'm not quite sure about that one. When you turn 25 and if you choose to drive something as fast/expensive as a Z06 or Viper your age-based discount will be offset by the car...know what I mean?
04-25-2005, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by last5oh_302
I didn't mean the lack of F-Bodies in particular. The lack of aftermarket availability for them didn't help though. I meant the lack of GM producing anything !
What has GM produced in the sports car department that's affordable for the average person ? The Vette ? They price themselves out right of the market with anything they make anyway, just like they did with the F-Body.
What's this SSR, or whatever it's called, pickup truck thingy ? It's ugly and for 80 G's before taxes it's all yours ! LOL !
That's why their shares are going down like a truck stop hooker.
What has GM produced in the sports car department that's affordable for the average person ? The Vette ? They price themselves out right of the market with anything they make anyway, just like they did with the F-Body.
What's this SSR, or whatever it's called, pickup truck thingy ? It's ugly and for 80 G's before taxes it's all yours ! LOL !
That's why their shares are going down like a truck stop hooker.
Now as far as the vette goes, it's always been removed from all the other GM cars. The C5 cost something like 150 mil to bring to production. Thats dirt cheap considering the GENIII tech that trickled down into the trucks, and the hydroforming process (that is now used by daimler). Not to mention good C5 sales and the beating they gave ferarri in every race the two met.
Anyways... the f-bodies are dead but that doesnt matter. Next year the solstice and sky are coming out, aimed right at the miata (which is pretty much the best selling sports car of all time). And by the looks of the solstice and the upcoming miata, you'd have to be a grade A moron to buy the miata. It looks worse, has less power and is a unibody car as opposed to a mini-corvette architecture of the solstice. Is it going to steal mustang sales like the camaro did? Probably not. But I bet that alot of the chicks that would normally be buying the 6cyl stangs will look at the solstice. It's less practical, but arguably 'cuter.'
I'll give you the SSR thing. That leaves me scratching my head.
04-25-2005, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ricernoob
I'm not quite sure about that one. When you turn 25 and if you choose to drive something as fast/expensive as a Z06 or Viper your age-based discount will be offset by the car...know what I mean?
04-25-2005, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by l_bilyk
Again, I dont think the 'sports car' thing had anything to do with it. Unions killed GM in the early 90's. Less money was available for product development. The regal and everything on that platform didn't sell anywhere near what GM thought they would. Trucks were more expensive, albeit better in the long run.
Now as far as the vette goes, it's always been removed from all the other GM cars. The C5 cost something like 150 mil to bring to production. Thats dirt cheap considering the GENIII tech that trickled down into the trucks, and the hydroforming process (that is now used by daimler). Not to mention good C5 sales and the beating they gave ferarri in every race the two met.
Anyways... the f-bodies are dead but that doesnt matter. Next year the solstice and sky are coming out, aimed right at the miata (which is pretty much the best selling sports car of all time). And by the looks of the solstice and the upcoming miata, you'd have to be a grade A moron to buy the miata. It looks worse, has less power and is a unibody car as opposed to a mini-corvette architecture of the solstice. Is it going to steal mustang sales like the camaro did? Probably not. But I bet that alot of the chicks that would normally be buying the 6cyl stangs will look at the solstice. It's less practical, but arguably 'cuter.'
I'll give you the SSR thing. That leaves me scratching my head.
Now as far as the vette goes, it's always been removed from all the other GM cars. The C5 cost something like 150 mil to bring to production. Thats dirt cheap considering the GENIII tech that trickled down into the trucks, and the hydroforming process (that is now used by daimler). Not to mention good C5 sales and the beating they gave ferarri in every race the two met.
Anyways... the f-bodies are dead but that doesnt matter. Next year the solstice and sky are coming out, aimed right at the miata (which is pretty much the best selling sports car of all time). And by the looks of the solstice and the upcoming miata, you'd have to be a grade A moron to buy the miata. It looks worse, has less power and is a unibody car as opposed to a mini-corvette architecture of the solstice. Is it going to steal mustang sales like the camaro did? Probably not. But I bet that alot of the chicks that would normally be buying the 6cyl stangs will look at the solstice. It's less practical, but arguably 'cuter.'
I'll give you the SSR thing. That leaves me scratching my head.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/insiders...tos-161237.htm
Here's a quote from another site:
GM has about 20% overcapacity in NA right now. That means 1/5th of its plants are already sitting empty or shouldn't be used even if they are operating, given their current and predicted production levels. Basically, no large company can afford to carry that kind of overhead. As for the employment legacy issues, GM has to live with what it agreed to with the unions, but it certainly isn't going to add to the problem by hiring more union workers in NA; they have to stop the bleeding somehow. Bottom line, they will be laying off another 15-20,000 auto workers over the next few years. GM's Chinese operations are by far and away the most profitable part of its auto making operations. Quality has been very high and they will have no qualms about exporting Chinese assembled vehicles to other countries. GM has seen the future, it is called Wal-Mart......
04-25-2005, 03:18 PM
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unions.. sometimes good... and sometimes theyre just too stupid and shoot themselves in the foot.. Goodyear is an example as well....
Looking back at Vettes vs Stangs, in the used department vettes still retain more $ value. Mustang owners THINK their vehicles retains or are now worth that value due to mods, how many times have we seen fox mustangs with simple bolt-ons for $14,000??? These mustang owners are crazy !
Fox mustangs were ugly then as they are now, wrapped up in a box. Ford tried to resolve that with ford probe cutting edges for 94+, more .
Where as a vette has unique styling and looks before its time when looking back in 90's..
That all being said, the question was for 30-55,000 what would you purchase. Its very evident that NO ONE will purchase any production mustang from 1989-2002 for 55 g's . There is no way someone would pick a used Viper over a used Mustang of the same age, unless they’re a complete moron (i have seen mustang owners say they would take a fox over a new Ferrari... oh raf, you make me laugh you retarded POS)..
Vette & Viper are in a class of their own. The 03 cobras have definitely stepped up. Supras are sweet, but seem overpriced.
The aftermarket for older stangs may be amazing, but who cares? Its an old dying breed that should be put to sleep.
Wasn’t until last year that you really started to see the mods start coming in for the 03 cobra, all things take time. There is an aftermarket for LS, but it’s definitely no where near dominant as late mustangs, but who cares... LS's were better performers, built nicer and showed better... Aftermarket might play a roll in purchasing a car, but shouldn’t be the key factor. If it was the key factor you wouldn’t have a mustang, you’d drive a Honda civic si.
GM is laying off... well, so does Ford. I know a number of people that haven’t worked at ford because of layoffs... Who cares, we're talking about which used car you would buy. Doesn’t matter which latest technology they’ve released, im not talking about a new car, im talking used. A car not being produced doesn’t stop the aftermarket from running...
And if the LS aftermarket is a concern, you must be upset about the lack of capable mustang shops in Ontario.. we all know they butcher and scam.
*may be revised as im still doing electrical and im in and out....
Looking back at Vettes vs Stangs, in the used department vettes still retain more $ value. Mustang owners THINK their vehicles retains or are now worth that value due to mods, how many times have we seen fox mustangs with simple bolt-ons for $14,000??? These mustang owners are crazy !
Fox mustangs were ugly then as they are now, wrapped up in a box. Ford tried to resolve that with ford probe cutting edges for 94+, more .
Where as a vette has unique styling and looks before its time when looking back in 90's..
That all being said, the question was for 30-55,000 what would you purchase. Its very evident that NO ONE will purchase any production mustang from 1989-2002 for 55 g's . There is no way someone would pick a used Viper over a used Mustang of the same age, unless they’re a complete moron (i have seen mustang owners say they would take a fox over a new Ferrari... oh raf, you make me laugh you retarded POS)..
Vette & Viper are in a class of their own. The 03 cobras have definitely stepped up. Supras are sweet, but seem overpriced.
The aftermarket for older stangs may be amazing, but who cares? Its an old dying breed that should be put to sleep.
Wasn’t until last year that you really started to see the mods start coming in for the 03 cobra, all things take time. There is an aftermarket for LS, but it’s definitely no where near dominant as late mustangs, but who cares... LS's were better performers, built nicer and showed better... Aftermarket might play a roll in purchasing a car, but shouldn’t be the key factor. If it was the key factor you wouldn’t have a mustang, you’d drive a Honda civic si.
GM is laying off... well, so does Ford. I know a number of people that haven’t worked at ford because of layoffs... Who cares, we're talking about which used car you would buy. Doesn’t matter which latest technology they’ve released, im not talking about a new car, im talking used. A car not being produced doesn’t stop the aftermarket from running...
And if the LS aftermarket is a concern, you must be upset about the lack of capable mustang shops in Ontario.. we all know they butcher and scam.
*may be revised as im still doing electrical and im in and out....
04-25-2005, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ricernoob
very hard to beleive, but whatever, i'll take your word for it as i don't have first hand experience.
and we know stock for stock which is faster, the honda
But who cares about insurance.... :thumbsup
04-25-2005, 04:09 PM
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Back to more of the Topic. (Good Topic der 2Tone!!)
I would pick a Viper. I have always wanted one. They sound exotic but there American Muscle and there way fast.!!!!!!!! :thumbsup
I would pick a Viper. I have always wanted one. They sound exotic but there American Muscle and there way fast.!!!!!!!! :thumbsup
04-25-2005, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 2tone_93gt
Looking back at Vettes vs Stangs, in the used department vettes still retain more $ value. Mustang owners THINK their vehicles retains or are now worth that value due to mods, how many times have we seen fox mustangs with simple bolt-ons for $14,000??? These mustang owners are crazy !
In regards to ford's future, it's a little foolish to think that they are completely secure because they appear to be selling very well now. How many years before the retro craze dies and the mustang becomes very uncool? No one is buying PT cruisers or beetles. Mini sales dropped like a rock in the span of a year. I'm not even going to mention the t-bird. oops