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Used Viper, Supra, Vette or Cobra?
04-26-2005, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by l_bilyk
the problem with the cobra is, there's a dirt cheap 6 cylinder version available that looks just like the expensive one. I think you can even get factory skunk stripes.
at least that was the complaint with the previous GT
at least that was the complaint with the previous GT
GT500 is a model number. SVT is claiming 450 + hp, so I figure it will be 500.
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04-26-2005, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 2tone_93gt
oh, now were talking supercars and limited run cars..
all this from a pick of 4...
i think if last_5oh has a taurus it would have handed his 5L its ***...
You need DFI
all this from a pick of 4...
i think if last_5oh has a taurus it would have handed his 5L its ***...
You need DFI
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04-26-2005, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by l_bilyk
the average bear won't be able to tell the difference
There are unfortunatley many out there that do wear them, or at least should be wearing them 
04-26-2005, 01:23 PM
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I would buy a Z06 then use the rest of the money to modify it, supercharger, exhaust, headers,fuel upgrade and ignition upgrade, then get better brakes and suspension and some rims and tires.
04-26-2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Midnight Racer
I would buy a Z06 then use the rest of the money to modify it, supercharger, exhaust, headers,fuel upgrade and ignition upgrade, then get better brakes and suspension and some rims and tires.
ford posers.
last_5oh got his *** handed to him by a stock LS and his stang is modded
He needs to take it to a Ford Specialist.. too bad theres none in Canada
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04-26-2005, 03:40 PM
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04-21-2005
Ford's got a problem: It just can't supply all the new Mustangs people want. Forget incentives, eager buyers are cheerfully paying well over sticker. Dealers are even offering cars on eBay. High demand for the new convertible is exacerbating the situation.
It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The Mustang's a kick to drive and its price is so reasonable — try $25 grand for a 300-hp, V8-powered GT — that more buyers than anticipated are opting for the V8s vs. V6s. Ford is cranking up production; it initially expected to sell 100,000 units; now it'll produce at least 192,000 in Year One. And it'll sell 'em all.
Naturally, Ford's got even bigger plans. The company just announced plans to produce a torrid 450-hp, 5.4-liter Shelby GT500 in conjunction with performance legend, Carroll Shelby. It will bow in summer 2006, for an estimated $40K. Those cars won't gather dust, either. We understand SVT is looking at reviving other great names like Mach 1 and Bullitt. There's probably no end to what Ford can (and will) do with the Mustang….
Remember the Camaro?
I was driving up the New York State Thruway, North of Albany, a few weeks ago, when I was passed by a N.Y. State Police Chevrolet Camaro. They're still in service, even though Camaro production stopped several years ago. Pontiac's Firebird died simultaneously. To Bob Lutz's chagrin, his attempt to resurrect the GTO isn't going well; they aren't exactly setting sales records.
How could the General get this one so wrong?
GM was already late to the party when the first Camaro bowed in 1967. Almost three years earlier, Ford dazzled the market with its wide-appeal, sporty, multioptioned and affordable Mustang. It sold over 400,000 in the extended first model year. To GM's credit, when it finally arrived, the Camaro soon had all the flashy style and high-performance options Chevy's engineers could pack into it.
On the track, the SCCA TransAm racing series pitted soon-to-be legends like Parnelli Jones (Mustang) against Mark Donohue (Camaro and AMC Javelin) and Dan Gurney (Challenger). Racing on Sunday helped boost Monday sales, adding to the aura of these close-coupled, V8-powered, rear-drive "Pony Cars." Combined Camaro and Pontiac Firebird sales peaked at over 435,000 in 1978. Those were the days.
Like full-size pickups, V8-powered, performance-oriented pony cars were a distinctly North American phenomenon, but unlike trucks, their appeal wavered when fuel prices spiked. Youthful buyers were accident-prone, and these cars were hyperquick, so sales were always sensitive to high insurance rates. The segment narrowed as competitors like AMC foundered and the TransAm racing series came to an end.
Prices inevitably rose. The imports offered better performance, flashier styling and lower insurance costs. They intercepted younger buyers who'd never even tried the domestic offerings. Anxious to retain a strong image and hold market share, Ford did more to evolve the Mustang and widen its audience. In the 1990s, GM built a great car with the Z28 Camaro, then sat back and watched as sales eroded.
After its demise, an annoyed N.Y. Chevrolet dealer told me: "Chevy never should have cancelled the Camaro. Besides offering Corvette performance for $20,000 less, it was an icon for Chevrolet, although we didn't sell a lot of them at the end because of the high insurance cost." Why did he think the Camaro grew stale? "Chevy never woke the car up," he insisted. "You could hardly tell a Z28 from an RS. They should have made the models much more distinctive; that's what Ford did and that's why they're still selling Mustangs."
Looking back, the Mustang was an icon right from its inception. Chevy didn't anticipate the market and was slow to catch up; and as volumes shrunk, there wasn't much internal support for Camaro redesigns from GM's volume-conscious top management. The carmaker just didn't get it. So Chevrolet's performance image has waned, despite NASCAR-themed Monte Carlo SS variants (with V6s, yet). The Camaro is a model it should have kept, even if it had to shift production from St. Therese, Quebec, to say, Bowling Green, Kentucky, and share some Corvette underpinnings.
Ford was always looking for ways to inject life into its Mustangs, even on that outdated "Fox" platform. Remember the $27,000 Bullitt edition, that evoked the hot little Dark Highland Green fastback that chased (and ran down) a Dodge Charger through the hilly streets of San Francisco in Steve McQueen's classic film? The Bullitt bristled with styling cues from the 1968 original, including a raucous exhaust note, and trick five-spoke wheels that aped classic American Racing Torq-Thrust Ds. Ford made only 6,500 copies and sold every one.
This is America, so although Dodge doesn't agree for the new Charger, I think there will always be a place for hot rear-drive V8 coupes and convertibles. But just as it did with the Caprice (vs. Ford's Crown Vic), Chevrolet has quit the field. GM's accountants probably pointed to the old "business case" argument when they killed the Camaro, but curiously, Chevy launched the slow-selling, even-more-limited-appeal SSR. (The less said about the Aussie Holden--Pontiac GTO, the better.)
Meanwhile, Ford did it right. It redesigned the Mustang on the Jag S-Type platform, with classic long-hood/short-deck proportions, round parking lights, fish gills around the grille, and "hockey stick" side scoops. I was standing next to Carroll Shelby at an early Mustang preview at Pebble Beach a few years ago, when Ford styling boss J Mays pulled the cover off the Mustang redesign.
"What do you think, Carroll?" I asked. "That there's my car," he said without hesitating. "Where's Jay's car?"
You know…they're both right.
04-21-2005
Ford's got a problem: It just can't supply all the new Mustangs people want. Forget incentives, eager buyers are cheerfully paying well over sticker. Dealers are even offering cars on eBay. High demand for the new convertible is exacerbating the situation.
It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The Mustang's a kick to drive and its price is so reasonable — try $25 grand for a 300-hp, V8-powered GT — that more buyers than anticipated are opting for the V8s vs. V6s. Ford is cranking up production; it initially expected to sell 100,000 units; now it'll produce at least 192,000 in Year One. And it'll sell 'em all.
Naturally, Ford's got even bigger plans. The company just announced plans to produce a torrid 450-hp, 5.4-liter Shelby GT500 in conjunction with performance legend, Carroll Shelby. It will bow in summer 2006, for an estimated $40K. Those cars won't gather dust, either. We understand SVT is looking at reviving other great names like Mach 1 and Bullitt. There's probably no end to what Ford can (and will) do with the Mustang….
Remember the Camaro?
I was driving up the New York State Thruway, North of Albany, a few weeks ago, when I was passed by a N.Y. State Police Chevrolet Camaro. They're still in service, even though Camaro production stopped several years ago. Pontiac's Firebird died simultaneously. To Bob Lutz's chagrin, his attempt to resurrect the GTO isn't going well; they aren't exactly setting sales records.
How could the General get this one so wrong?
GM was already late to the party when the first Camaro bowed in 1967. Almost three years earlier, Ford dazzled the market with its wide-appeal, sporty, multioptioned and affordable Mustang. It sold over 400,000 in the extended first model year. To GM's credit, when it finally arrived, the Camaro soon had all the flashy style and high-performance options Chevy's engineers could pack into it.
On the track, the SCCA TransAm racing series pitted soon-to-be legends like Parnelli Jones (Mustang) against Mark Donohue (Camaro and AMC Javelin) and Dan Gurney (Challenger). Racing on Sunday helped boost Monday sales, adding to the aura of these close-coupled, V8-powered, rear-drive "Pony Cars." Combined Camaro and Pontiac Firebird sales peaked at over 435,000 in 1978. Those were the days.
Like full-size pickups, V8-powered, performance-oriented pony cars were a distinctly North American phenomenon, but unlike trucks, their appeal wavered when fuel prices spiked. Youthful buyers were accident-prone, and these cars were hyperquick, so sales were always sensitive to high insurance rates. The segment narrowed as competitors like AMC foundered and the TransAm racing series came to an end.
Prices inevitably rose. The imports offered better performance, flashier styling and lower insurance costs. They intercepted younger buyers who'd never even tried the domestic offerings. Anxious to retain a strong image and hold market share, Ford did more to evolve the Mustang and widen its audience. In the 1990s, GM built a great car with the Z28 Camaro, then sat back and watched as sales eroded.
After its demise, an annoyed N.Y. Chevrolet dealer told me: "Chevy never should have cancelled the Camaro. Besides offering Corvette performance for $20,000 less, it was an icon for Chevrolet, although we didn't sell a lot of them at the end because of the high insurance cost." Why did he think the Camaro grew stale? "Chevy never woke the car up," he insisted. "You could hardly tell a Z28 from an RS. They should have made the models much more distinctive; that's what Ford did and that's why they're still selling Mustangs."
Looking back, the Mustang was an icon right from its inception. Chevy didn't anticipate the market and was slow to catch up; and as volumes shrunk, there wasn't much internal support for Camaro redesigns from GM's volume-conscious top management. The carmaker just didn't get it. So Chevrolet's performance image has waned, despite NASCAR-themed Monte Carlo SS variants (with V6s, yet). The Camaro is a model it should have kept, even if it had to shift production from St. Therese, Quebec, to say, Bowling Green, Kentucky, and share some Corvette underpinnings.
Ford was always looking for ways to inject life into its Mustangs, even on that outdated "Fox" platform. Remember the $27,000 Bullitt edition, that evoked the hot little Dark Highland Green fastback that chased (and ran down) a Dodge Charger through the hilly streets of San Francisco in Steve McQueen's classic film? The Bullitt bristled with styling cues from the 1968 original, including a raucous exhaust note, and trick five-spoke wheels that aped classic American Racing Torq-Thrust Ds. Ford made only 6,500 copies and sold every one.
This is America, so although Dodge doesn't agree for the new Charger, I think there will always be a place for hot rear-drive V8 coupes and convertibles. But just as it did with the Caprice (vs. Ford's Crown Vic), Chevrolet has quit the field. GM's accountants probably pointed to the old "business case" argument when they killed the Camaro, but curiously, Chevy launched the slow-selling, even-more-limited-appeal SSR. (The less said about the Aussie Holden--Pontiac GTO, the better.)
Meanwhile, Ford did it right. It redesigned the Mustang on the Jag S-Type platform, with classic long-hood/short-deck proportions, round parking lights, fish gills around the grille, and "hockey stick" side scoops. I was standing next to Carroll Shelby at an early Mustang preview at Pebble Beach a few years ago, when Ford styling boss J Mays pulled the cover off the Mustang redesign.
"What do you think, Carroll?" I asked. "That there's my car," he said without hesitating. "Where's Jay's car?"
You know…they're both right.
04-26-2005, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Midnight Racer
I would buy a Z06 then use the rest of the money to modify it, supercharger, exhaust, headers,fuel upgrade and ignition upgrade, then get better brakes and suspension and some rims and tires.
04-26-2005, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 2tone_93gt
you need to stop avoiding what i said.. a STOCK LS handed your modded stang its *** :supergay:
Oh well, back to the 4 used cars in this discussion..
Viper, Supra, Vette or Mustang Cobra...
Oh well, back to the 4 used cars in this discussion..
Viper, Supra, Vette or Mustang Cobra...
One day I'll teach you the full name :hah: :supergay:
Do you have any time slips for your 5.slow?
Awww, that's hitting below the belt, since I know the answer to that.
How's your car running BTW?
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04-28-2005, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ricernoob
that's what it's all about. make sure u dress up the rear end a bit cos all the Vipers, Supra's and ghey *** Ford's will be seeing it
1) Mustang Cobra: If you got one, only CAR GUYS know its a cobra otherwise people think its just another Mustang.
2) Supra: The only people checkin your car out is dumbass Ricers who have seen Fast and the Furious one to many times.
3) Corvette: Nice car quick, but they are getting way too common.
4) Viper: You hardly see one and when you do, you what it is. Everybody knows that is not just another boring sports car. Oh yea did I say V10
Thats my 2 cents. Now go ahead and let the bashing begin.!!!!!!!!!
04-28-2005, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by l_bilyk
yes, yes they do. but crown vics are very outdated now too... cops were buying intrepids, and i guess chargers are next.
what rear wheel drive program did they cancell?
what rear wheel drive program did they cancell?
Says decision made in '04 on Zeta platform
By Jim Mateja
Chicago Tribune auto reporter
Published March 19, 2005
General Motors confirmed Friday that it has stopped development on vehicles being designed for a new rear-wheel-drive platform in the North American market.
Sources said the move is not related to financial woes and the company's projected loss of $850 million for this year. They said the decision to stop developing cars on the platform, code-named Zeta, was made last year.
Zeta was believed to be the platform GM was going to use for the next-generation Pontiac GTO as well as possibly a pair of new Buick offerings, the Velite sedan and convertible, and maybe a midsize, performance Chevrolet sedan.
GM was developing the platform in cooperation with its Holden subsidiary in Australia, which still will use it. GM reportedly had plans to build the cars for North America in the United States, though it now gets the GTO from Australia. GM would not say how much it hopes to save with the move.
Sources said that though GM is re-evaluating just about every product program since cutting its annual profit forecast in half this week, the decision was made in December to halt development.
"We're going to re-evaluate our programs for midsize, rear-wheel-drive products for North America," said GM spokesman Pat Morrissey. "The resources on Zeta are going to be reassigned to other North American products that will have a more significant impact on volume and profit."
The "other products" are full-size sport-utility vehicles due for the 2006 model year and full-size pickups for 2007--cash cows not only at GM but also in the auto industry.
Morrissey said GM will look at the best way to add rear-wheel-drive cars in North America. A rear-wheel-drive platform is important because it offers the option of all-wheel-drive, which is proving popular in passenger cars. He also didn't rule out Velite and GTO being built off another GM platform.
"We have other RWD platforms and are looking at our options," Morrissey said, which include developing more vehicles off a Cadillac platform that can provide rear-wheel- and all-wheel-drive. The so-called Sigma platform is now used to produce the CTS and STS sedans, and SRX sport-utility vehicle.
Some observers suggest GM scrapped what was to be a low-volume Zeta lineup to turn to a platform that could accommodate higher-volume cars, crossovers and SUVs in rear- and all-wheel-drive.
David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich., says this is no surprise, considering GM was not gaining market share or filling its coffers last year, either. "I'm also not surprised that they'd look at an AWD platform as well," he said. "The Ford Five Hundred and Freestyle and Mercury Montego have proved AWD is much more popular than people thought it would be. AWD in cars has really caught on."
Ford expected AWD to account for about 30 percent of sales of those vehicles, but demand is exceeding 40 percent.