What will it take to get my vert into the 11
 

What do you guys think?

Its fairly stock except a short shifter and eibach springs, i need to make it quicker :smashfrea

A blower would definity help get you into 11s,you should think about doing gears to start.

Look into exhaust and intake first of all.

you will likely need to change the cam out, but you shouldn't need a huge lumpy stick, just go mild. Port match the heads and I don't condone it, but perhaps a shot of happy gas.......oh yea, don't forget to upgrade plugs, wires cap and rotor and coil.....the key to lots of power is igniting all the fuel and air you dump into the combustion chamber. The stock upper and lower intake don't flow too bad but there's cheap alternatives to them too.
Infact, Trickflow makes an entire kit for the 5.0 that includes new heads, upper and lower intake, cam, valve covers and some other stuff too that I can't exactly remember and it's only around 23-2400 bucks US.


After that, I'd mostly focus on suspension. You'll never run any respectable number if you're spinning for the first 300 feet. Sticky rubber like Nitto 555R's work REAL good I was really impressed with them, stiff springs and ladder bars will likely be required too.

I don't really care for convertibles so I don't know what kind of torque they can handle but you may seriously want to consider bracing the body.

Anyway, I know it sounds like a lot but it's not and that's the kind of stuff I'd start with if I were building my own car...(which I'm not yet :( )

Since its a vert there is more weight to deal with. I agree with Nick start off with gears first. You will need a good drag suspension too. I think your either gonna need more motor (ie heads and cam)

look into alot of bracing............being it a convertable

You will get into the 11's once, then it'll twist........from the power

start with a cage, and bracing......then suspension so you can hook hard.

Then moderate engine work, and you'll be there

Duro

What kind of budget are we talkin about?

Nitrous and slicks will get you into the 11's
I would look at adding subframes to a vert.

Slicks and NOS are not the way to 11's.

Nitros is not for stock motors, so PLEASE don't try it.

Build the suspension, build the motor, it's not gonna cost you a fortune.

Your car is hadicapped in a way due to being a vert (weight and body flex etc)I run a 150 shot stock motor (94 5.0) with bolt on's 337 rwhp 450 ftlbs at the wheels.Good enough to break 11's but not in a 94 gt...LOL

I'm DEAD against nitrous.

I hate that crap, it's cheating imo, not to mention dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. If you only want 20K out of your motor, then by all means use it....if you'd like to keep your motor for a while I'd stay away from it, and when my car is built I won't use it.

If you can't do what you want with your car without the use of nitrous, you're doing something wrong.

PS if a 150 shot won't get you into the 11's on stock motor in a coupe or fastback(hatchback) then you should try some internal engine work. NOS is definatly not the end-all of the power problems.

I've never built a car with nitrous....never had the need. I'd rather spend the money to have a bullit proof longblock than have a rather nasty shot of laughing gas like a 150, on a stock motor....money well spent imo.

Your intitled to your opinion...:fing02:

Yes I am.


I'm not trying to on you or your car dude, just trying to give the best advise to someone who obviously hasn't had the amount of experince building cars as I have.

Not sayin you were,since my 94 is a daily I installed a kit with warmer,msd,fuel pump etc.I set it up on a dyno with A/f it had 11.1 all the way,been through numerous bottles.If NOT used correctly you will have engine troubles.I am a blower guy myself (but used nos off and on over the years) and I just couldnt stand how slow the 94-5.0 is compared to a fox,so what the hell I sprayed it.A friend has a 94 (fox upper conversion)also with stock exuast has run a 12.30.

Lemme ask you this......Why, even in my area, Bowmanville/Oshawa/Whitby.....I have yet to see a 94-98 GT.....every 94-98 is a friggin v6.....I can dust the v6 stangs for about 200ft with my Cavalier with the 2.2L on 94 octane, I haven't seen a gt or Cobra EVER unless I go to Scarborough or Toronto

There are actually quite a few in Mississauga.

As for the vert question, 410s, suspension, meaning drag launch kit
lake wood 50/50 and 90/10s and heads cam intake and vortech
or paxton blower. It aint cheap but I find to be fairly reliable and
very capable of making 500 hp with 2.5 exhaust all the way through.
But as some one else mentioned make sure the car will handle the power and not twist before you do this.

Refer to post #6 ....LOL

Nick this is a famous quote I saw on another site
Reliable, Cheap, Fast, Pick 2

^^ If you plan on making 500 hp you ought to go to 3 in exhaust..

Acutually ive known people running 200shot of juice on stock foxbody bottom ends with no problems.

I also know of a SN95 running a 125 shot and its making killler power

What did Nicks old winter beater have 400 000k and a 175 shot
on it?

I've seen bad things happen with weak motors and NOS.

Actually I had a hand in building a 383 Chev for a Nova that didn't work out very well.

I don't like it, I would feel cheated if someone beat me on NOS because the only power adders I would ever use are blowers and turbo's and id onl;y use those if I couldn't get the numbers I want with an NA set-up.

But I also know there's alot of people that swear by it, I however, am not one of them. Just personal preference I guess.

Im not a huge fan of Nitrous but I dont think its cheating. And yes hooked up
poorly can cost you but thats why you have to have a good mechanic
or the knowledge to do it your self.

Spray all the way.

11's = $8-10K

Well Brandon, it sounds like you're not speaking from experience... most people that are against something have used it themselves with bad results, not just from some sort of personal preference. I dont see nitrous as cheating, its a cheap way to make you go fast, whats wrong with that?
To make a convertible run 11s, you're going to need some serious torque and traction. First mod on any convertible Fox MUST be subframe connectors. After this, I suggest a 255lph intank pump and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
Obviously, a gear change should be among the first things to be installed. An 11 second slip with a T5 (on 26" slicks) and 4.10s will require shifting into 5th so I suggest sticking with 3.73s. Unless you want more kick around town, you can go with 4.10s but will have to run a 28" tall slick at the track.
You will need a complete cat less exhaust, 1 5/8" shorty headers, 2.5" off road H pipe and a 2.5" cat back system will help nicely.
Your Eibach springs are not going to help you, they are a detriment to quicker timeslips. You can run 11s with them installed, but its going to make it a lot harder. A drag oriented suspension will always help.
Beyond this, your choices are to either spend some money on the motor, buy some boost, or spray it.
If you're going to spray it, I suggest installing an aftermarket intake to help it breathe a bit better. Something like a Cobra intake will increase top end HP without sacrificing low end torque. You could also run the Edelbrock Performer 5.0 II, or one of the Explorer Cobra/GT40 intakes. The stock TB will be fine, but you can opt for a 65mm. Beyond this, a 150HP shot will get you close to your goal. If not 11s, you should at least be in the low low 12s with good driving technique and good track prep.
Or you could spend $4k on a turbo kit, plus installation and tuning, and upgraded fuel system and you'll have enough power to run low 11s all day long. And probably break your axles and T5 with all that torque and weight.
SS

I know of a few people that have sbc's and spray the crap out of them make crazy power and never have any issues.

yeah, to slam Nitrous that badly, and never having tried it??? thats not cool man.. I run a 100shot on my STOCK engine.. and everything works great..

its a cheap bang for the buck... its good power.. mind you I'm also supercharged this year... but still.. I would like to keep the NOS..

if I'm asked if I have it.. hell yes, I'll tell anyone. will I run without it.. well yes.. if I'm on a track and its asked..

I dont run with NOS on the street.. thats just silly..
everyone IS entitled to their opinion

but as for the vert and 11's... bignick hit it on the head..

All I'm saying is, that I'd feel cheated.

No I've never used it on my own cars but, I've seen what can happen when not used properly and I don't like it.

I didn't know racing was about being cheap.

Anybody can have a big shot of nitrous on a stock motor, how is that hot rodding or modifing(sp?) your car? it's like putting a subbox in your car and telling people you have a killer system without having anything but that subbox.

"hey man, my car makes 700Hp on squeeze."

"oh yea, what's it make off the juice?"

"250"
:D pretty pathetic, not saying that's everybody's car but I just thinks it's retarded.

Thats a really dumb analogy, come on man at least be realistic!!! Most people run 125-150hp shot on their car. Sure, if someone with a 250hp car was sprayin 450hp worth of the laughing gas it would be pretty dumb but there arent many NOS guys doing that now... are there?
SS

My buddy had a tubbed 1980 Camaro with a 480somethingci making
835hp all motor then he had a pro fogger giving him another 500
in 2 stages. If you want to have a big shot of spray you do have to have a motor to back it up. The car went 8.30s but scared the crap out of himm a couple times so he sold it

wow.. that sounds like a guy who's got problems..

you feel cheated.. then don't street race.. simple as that.

in regulated sanctioned races.. its is clearly known if you or your opponent has NOS, it is like that because of the dangers associated with it.
if someone chooses to run NOS on their car who are you to judge them?? its a cheap power booster... with an attitude like that you could turn around and say an intercooler is a cheap way.. cause its not "supposed" to be there.

its not like as soon as you hit the gas pedal you have that instant "go juice" its not something that runs all the time... its an instant thing only at wide open throttle.. and its not safe to run an engine on straight nitrous all the time.. ESP if its stock!

I think you should really get out and experience the WHOLE world of racing. NOS IS accepted.. they have racing classes just for it.

me personally.. I'll make roughly 400rwhp.. maybe 475 with my nitrous.
I'm keeping it... there's not much you can say or do about it..

I respect that you have your opinion like everyone else.. but to call it cheap.. IMHO I think thats a little uncalled for..

Well, I dunno, there's some pretty big shots out there, so surely there's people stupid enough to use them on their stock motors.

I've heard of huge gains because of nos I think there was mention of 1000hp gains from a massive injection of the funny gas.

I don't street race first of all, I drive a Cavalier :( soon to be a 2001 Alero in 2 weeks though.

Yes I realize there are classes for nitrous, they usually run in the power adder classes with the turbos and superchargers.....and that's great, but I just don't like what it is and why it's used.

Here's the scenario....yer at the track, buddy's running a big block camaro that's built....a mid 10 second car with no nos.....you roll up in your stang that's slightly built but only an 11 second car with a big shot of gas. You pull to the tree, green, you go, he's pulling on you the whole way down, at the 1000 foot you hit a little red button and beat him by a car length.....

does that make you feel like a big man? Do you really feel like you beat him? If not for your gas he'd have had you. I think it's weak, it's cheap but people love it. I don't get it.

And as for calling it cheap, it sure is....in that it's an in-expensive way of making power, and I don't like it.....so sue me for my oppinion ok, you can't except that I don't like it because it's a poor mans power adder....grow up.

I'll use nos though......when everything else I can do is done and I need more power. Because that's the only time nos should be used after you've used your friggin head and thought out your motor and you've built it right instead of using the easy way out.

Screw that, I'd rather run a 200 shot on a stock Stang so I can brag to everyone that my Stang runs 11's!:D
SS

hey bud, not all of us were born with a silver spoon in our mouth.. some us have to makedo with what we have.. when I started modding my stang.. the first thing I did was nitrous... after that is when all the other mods started..... not all of us can afford or can get a BIG BLOCK.. and yes its true... there IS no replacement for displacement.. however not all of us can have that..

in the end.. a guy that is running a 302 against a big block camaro... all he is going to have to equalize IS NOS...

sounds like you're crying.....:gotooprah

why dont let people use what they want... and keep your negative comments to yourself.
:3gears:

I dunno if you're new to racing or what but a well built small block car can go just as fast as a big block car.....engine isn't the only piece of the racing puzzle, there's alot more to it.....IMO, 2 stock cars, one big block, one Fox mustang, the Fox is gonna smoke any stock bigblock cars being that they are usally much heavier cars. Of course there's always exceptions.

Going back to the big block vs small block, a BB is always gonna make more torque, but power wise, unless you're getting REAL extreme with the motor a small block can make as much power as a big block and revs faster and higher...so if you don't get him off the line you might get him at the top of the track.

PS. if this is gonna start into a big block vs small block discussion, start a new thread, I don't mind discussing it, but I kinda just realized we Hi jacked this thread and being a mod, I shouldn't be the one doing that kind of stuff LOL.

:gotooprah :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: I always wanted to use the Oprah
sign lol!!!!!!!!!1

lol, I'm just saying a small block can make as much power as a big block, a big block isn't the end all solution to making power....if it was we'd all just buy 572's and be done with it.