ivperformance

ok a friend just got his car stolen last night, now its an old piece of , they found it in etob. The police say they have to fingerpring it, do they do it for car theft or did something happen with his car? they say its gonna take 2 days but he really doesnt care about who stole it he just needs car back.

midrange

i know if they catch the guy, he gets fingerprinted, but i have never heard of them dusting for prints on the actual car..

ivperformance

i just came back from the place, they are ing retarded, they dont even let him check if his ing wallet is still in the car. Can he get some sort of rental from them until they are done ing around ?

yourmama

The cops have to maintain the integrity of the crime scene, in this case the car. If they let him into the car to retrieve his wallet, they also risk letting him disturb any fingerprints or DNA traces inside the car that may have been left by the thief.

Also, if the theft of thecar was faked, the last thing they want to do is let him back into the car and corrupt any evidence pointing to that.

The cops don't need to give him a rental. That's up to him to take up with his insurance company, assuming the car is insured.

ivperformance

The car is insured(1 way, no theft insurance), and hes definetley not the theif, man, he has nothing to gain from it, why the do they take his property and then expect him to get around, they also want him to pay for the towing into that place, i think its bullshit. how the is this suppose to be ok ?
he has a credit card in the wallet, that why he wants to find out if they took it or not, he already cancelled the card right after they told him to off.


So if for example they investigate a crime in my house im suppose to off and look for a place to live while they up my property ?

yourmama

Yes, the cops can keep you from going into your own house for as long as they need to search for evidence there. They don't want anyone corrupting the crime scene.

Same goes for your friend's car. Car theft is considered major crime even if its just a junker. But his claim that the cops want him to pay for towing sounds suspect.

The other thing is, we don't know any other background that may be pertinent. For all we know, your friend could have been involved in a police chase, or a hit and run, or a convenience store robbery, all crimes in which a perp can be identified by through a car fleeing the scene. A common scam is for the perp to dump the car somewhere and then the next day report it stolen to police after setting up an alibi.

So... as far as the cops know, your friend may be complicit in the "theft" of the car. They don't know, and until they do know, he doesn't get to go back in the car and potentially corrupt the crime scene.

ivperformance

ok well since they are confiscating his only mode of transportation for their own purposes(he doesnt need this ) they should give him something to live with, how is he suppose to go to school? get to work ? or the police doesnt really give a as long as they get their .
Thats a reason why people think the toronto police force is bullshit, things like this, they are suppose to help you find the bad guy, get your stuff back, but they just you over. you might as well go and find the guy yourself, however thats what the police was made to do. thats why we pay taxes. and the police force are not doing their job to the full extent.

yourmama

Well, first you say that the police are not doing their jobs to the full extent. You say their job is supposed to help find the bad guy, to get your stuff back.

THEN, in the same breath you're complaining that they won't give him his car back quick enough or let him into the car while they're still processing his car for forensic evidence that may identify the thief...

As for them "confiscating" his only means of transport, I would pin the blame for that on the person who initially started the chain of confiscation going by taking the car. That would be the thief, assuming the car was really stolen.

The role of the cops is not to just get your buddy back his car, but to help protect society as a whole. To keep the "thief" from doing it to someone else, the cops need to go through their evidentiary routine, no matter how inconvenient it is to your buddy. That way, they can hopefully identify the "thief" and keep him from doing the same again to the next person down the road.

ivperformance

yes, help find the bad guy, get your stuff back, while not ing you up.

Its not that hard, I see it like this, if you need to use my car as evidence, I will lend you my car as long as you provide me with compensation to the property you are lending from me.

If they are doing this for my friend, police helping society, why is he being ed over right now? he should be helped right now, they are basically stealing his car again. This car was gone for about 6 hours by the theives(he parked it at 12, they found it at 5:30). the cops already had it for 12 hours. what the .

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im just reading over what you wrote again. and I get the feeling that you think he stole the car, let me explain the situation in details, at around 11:30 he drove me home and went home, waking up to police phone call at around 6 am they tell him his car was found on some highway, he tells them they are retarded and that his car is in parking lot, looks outside, his is all over the ing floor.

now the car is in perfect condition(from what we can see in the window, expect the locking mechanism, and the door handle that was broken out). now if this was any sort of insurance scam he would of had theft insurance right? he doesnt, And if he wanted to do some sort of robbery then he would of used different plates ? yes, its his plates. also the car doesnt seem to be in any sort of physical damage so its not a hit and run case either, now tell me one evidance pointing to the idea that he stole his own car.

I think this was a case of joyriding. And since no damage was done he wants his car back, why the would he steal his own car, leave it on the etobikoce and walk home......

yourmama

It's not up to the cops to compensate your for the effects of crime. That job is for insurance companies to do, or in extreme cases, government victim compensation funds.

The cops do not investigate crime because YOU have been wronged. They investigate crime because a criminal offence is consider not a crime against you, but a crime against the interests of society. The societal interest in solving the crime outweighs any temporary inconvenience to your friend.

If you want protection against such inconvenience, you buy theft insurance and loss of use insurance. Or you suck it up, pay for car rental now, and when they catch the thief, you request restitution upon conviction.

ivperformance

So on serial rape charges we should put all of the suspects in jail one by one until the rapes stop right ? its in the intrest of society, its ok if those people sit in jail for 10 years, society outweights them right ?

i want to see you in their position.... I think you are cop man.... i dont want to talk about this to you, thank you for your opinion anyways though.
Can a mod close this thread ?

yourmama

How does that apply to keeping control of a vehicle or property for a short time to gather forensic evidence?

As far as invvestigating suspects, cops can and do bring people in suspects for questioning, but they can't hold them unless there is definate probably cause to do so. Even then, the cops are limited in what they can do with respect to a person's liberty. Charter rights protect the rights of the person and preclude arbitrary detention without trial. But there are no property rights defined in the Charter.

And no, I'm not a cop. Still, if it helps your sense of paranoia, think what you want.

..77.

" you request restitution upon conviction" haha , thats a good one .
Lets turn to the history channel in 77 land .
Your in court , the guy who who ripped off you and your friends stuff , then damaged it , so you could appreciate it all the more when you got it back , is up before the judge. Judge basically lets him go.With no restitution too those involved , because of lack of evidence and the poor guy had a hard life. So, 77 stands up and says out loud this is Bullshit , I want my in money and my in fixed back to the way it was . Reality . The judge looked down his nose at me , then charged me 250 bucks for disrupting court , and at the end of the day , my lawyer charged me extra for some he did . haha restitution , thats a good one .
Restitution is , the perp walks a little stiffly now..77.

Snyper

Thank God society has people like you in it!!

ivperformance

Here is a little update on the case, we got the car back.

Its been exactley 18 hours in police custudy, we believe 3 hours with the thieves.
A forensic expert came to the car and dusted it for fingerprints.... he found none.... how the do you find no fingerprints in a car ? we opened the ing sunblock and right there on the mirror two ing HUGE prints. Is he ing stupid ?

We also asked them if they found the wallet, we told them its under the seat....they said they couldnt find it... we look under the seat, the ing wallet is there.... ok....

Now were begining to think their forensic expert is ing retarded.

Since its already 1 in the morning we decide its time to go home, turn on the radio, and some retarded Rap music is playing, open the , a cessete that was left by the thieve, why the wasnt it dusted ? WHO THE IS DOING THIS INVESTIGATION????

Right away we bag it, we also found the lock mechanism under the seat, which should also yield some prints.

i mean the places they look, the dusted the ing roof of the car but not the outside door handles.

Now im begining to understand the incompetance(*s) of our police force, its full of dumbasses(not all), I mean we already know more than they do, there is three people in the car(online one side of the back floor is wet, 3 ashtrays are used, some still have buds). The person in the front is very short, man I can yield better results than them.


WHERE DO MY TAXES GO ?

the car was basically a joyride, really ed tires, coolant is low, the tranny is now leaking a bit, but not too much, alot of dirt, and the suspension is ed.