wolverineottawa

Just a quick note the company I am associated with has developed new tecnology and we now belong to a "nerd network" that develops ecu re-flashes for MANY vehicles.....typical gains are from 15-20hp (depending on vehicle)....pm me for supported vehicles.

VWJettaMK2

Dyno sheets available to support your claims? I hardly think a stock 4cyl motor would push more then 5-8hp with a chip..

wolverineottawa

We are not "chipping" the ecu it is a reflash.....big difference...what we do is read the ecu and change the parameters to accept the mods you have or will have....no "chipping" involved...

We are basing our numbers on what is posted from our tuning network. We are the first in our network to take a stock NA car and add a turbo kit using the stock ecu to run the turbo......

The current project is a 2005 Lancer Ralliart that has been dynoed stock and dynoed modded using a Haltech Mini. This weekend we will be pulling the Haltech and flashing the ECU and we will see how the ecu reacts to the mods.

Key thing is we are changing the parameters in the ecu......

VWJettaMK2

Soooo basically you guys are doing what APR, Unitronic, GIAC, Revo companies are doing with european cars..

I know there is a difference between chip and flash. My vehicle is flashed with APR software and as of now Unitronic is one of the leading companies for big turbo software.

Who exactly is in your "network". C2 motorsports has been doing that with VW's for a couple years already..

wolverineottawa

Not exactly sure what they do. We have tuners in Canada and Europe that use this technology and once we "tune" a car we post it to the network for others who use this tecknology......again it could be the same and the companies you mentioned I really dont know.

The VW and Audi have had this for a while your correct but the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart (04-06) has not and we were the first, that I know of, to do this....

VWJettaMK2

Im not arguing with you what so ever..The bigger the tunning world gets, the more jobs are made in my opinion. Whats the specs on the ralliart? 2.4L MIVEC motor[i think thats what comes in those]? And what plans do you guys have for it?

wolverineottawa

I know your not arguing its all good...lol...

Its the 4G69 2.4L MIVEC 160hp....and the ecu has been a soure of major issues. We built the kit and did not wnat to go with a stand alone that would make the cost of the kit go through the roof. We stated with a Haltech Mini and did not work then the AEM FIC...close but the fuel trims were way off and it did not control the drive by wire set up...we did get it close only to produce enough power to spin the clutch...only 60000kms on the clutch....then we said screw it onlt 2 things will work a stand alone or we crack the ecu.....a year later we finally crack the ECU....car is running great still need to make minor adjustments but its comming along very nice. Then we did a NA tune and flashed a stock Ralliart (04) and got 14whp....this weekend we are doing my buddies car that has a cam ud pulley intake and full exhaust.....we will play with perameters so we dont get a cel from the high flow cat and enough room for the ecu to adapt to the mods....fyi this same car using the haltech mini dyno-ed at 170whp...so it should be fun....

VWJettaMK2

Not bad at all..What size injectors are you guys gonna use for when you go with boost?

wolverineottawa

We went with 440cc and only running 8psi. Unofficially we put down over 240+ don't want to give the real number until I have something on paper, I am sure you understand, don't want to come across as a talker unless i can back it up.

Zeeman

i'd beleive being able to see those kinds of gains. Most OEM manufacturers set the perameters so conservative on the ECU to keep things on the really safe side. I mean these cars have to perform here in canada with changing temps, up north where its usually much colder and down south where its always warm and at every elevation. They can't afford to have people come back with blown up engines b/c they made the engine ouput 20whp more, they'd rather have the engine last longer and make a little less power....this is a cheap insurance policy for the manufacturers. If they want more power they will usually increase the engine size or add a power adder like turbo or supercharger and still keep the ECU's perameters very conservative.

Its the same with the chevy cobalts. Guys are getting their ECM's flashed with "custom" programs or getting their cars tuned and putting down like 25whp more than stock with no mods other than the re-flash or tune. Although most of these guys are switching to a higher octane gas (like 94 octane) to allow the ECM's to run more timing and ultimately make more power.

People have been doing the same thing with hondas for years now. Adding turbochargers to non turbo charged engines. These engines (a 1.8L GSR engine for example) are seeing like 300whp (up from 160whp) at very low boost levels with some tuning. I'm talking like 8-10psi here on the bone stock engine.

I'm not trying to discredit your claims or anything. 80whp from 8psi is a good increase IMO. Whats the turbo setup consist of?

VWJettaMK2

Im not doubting anyone as Ive been in the volkswagen world for quite some time so this stuff has been done already. Im jusr surprised that the Japanesse and Domestic markets havent cought up yet.

Look this this car built by AutoXtrem from Gatineau, Quebec..Its running Eurodyne software and I believe its one of the world's fastest cars on stock bosch ME7 ECU..Over 600whp on 2L 20v turbo..And this is just one type of software in the VW world..As listed above, all have impressive software..

YouTube - Autoxtrem 20v Drag Car

Zeeman

there are 800-900whp hondas (1.8-2L 16v turbo) that run on OEM chipped computers. Hondas have been in the leading edge of this stuff for years and years now.

Zeeman

heres a 1.6L single over head cam on 94 octane pump gas with just cast aluminum pistons and forged rods, literally everything else on the engine (head, intake manifold, throttle body) is bone stock. This was tuned by me using Neptune and a chipped ECU.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...reds400whp.jpg

wolverineottawa

Yes I know my business partner developed some of the chipping for Honda. I was referring that this has not been done for the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart. We can now tune/reflash most vehicles. I own a company that designs and manufactures performance exhaust for Lamborghini and Ferrari. This technology was developed for that crowd but we can use it for the tuner world as well.....as I love my Lancer especially when I drive by some of the older Ferrari's on the track.....

"I'm not trying to discredit your claims or anything. 80whp from 8psi is a good increase IMO"

I know and I am not making any official claims at this point we still have some fine tuning and once that is complete I will post the results and video clips we are planning. Still a few weeks away but we are working on it.

Bottom line unless its backed up its just bs fodder.....

Zeeman

agreed.

In for results.