03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
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> My son tells me that he is experiencing clutch chatter (he did not
> know what it is until he described it to me) on his 03 Civic when cold
> on initial start off. The car has only 44k miles, which suggests he
> has not taken care of the clutch
Chatter is usually due to heat checking on the flywheel, or a bent
friction disc, both caused by abuse. If he's been particularly brutal
with the clutch (drag racing, showing off), it's possible to badly
damage those parts very quickly.
Chatter can also result from oil on the friction disc, something that's
highly unlikely at this car's age.
> as perhaps he should have since I
> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
> tranmission.
Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
> I suggested that he would be better off having the
> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
> Any recommendations on this undertaking. Is he correct. What about
> cost at the local Honda dealer?
>
He'll pay close to $1,000 at a dealer, including parts, taxes, and
flywheel resurfacing (if they'll do that instead of replacing the
flywheel).
It's worth paying $90 to have the dealer properly diagnose this
"chatter", to make sure it's not something that will go unsolved after
the expenditure of ten times that amount.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
> My son tells me that he is experiencing clutch chatter (he did not
> know what it is until he described it to me) on his 03 Civic when cold
> on initial start off. The car has only 44k miles, which suggests he
> has not taken care of the clutch
Chatter is usually due to heat checking on the flywheel, or a bent
friction disc, both caused by abuse. If he's been particularly brutal
with the clutch (drag racing, showing off), it's possible to badly
damage those parts very quickly.
Chatter can also result from oil on the friction disc, something that's
highly unlikely at this car's age.
> as perhaps he should have since I
> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
> tranmission.
Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
> I suggested that he would be better off having the
> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
> Any recommendations on this undertaking. Is he correct. What about
> cost at the local Honda dealer?
>
He'll pay close to $1,000 at a dealer, including parts, taxes, and
flywheel resurfacing (if they'll do that instead of replacing the
flywheel).
It's worth paying $90 to have the dealer properly diagnose this
"chatter", to make sure it's not something that will go unsolved after
the expenditure of ten times that amount.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
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> My son tells me that he is experiencing clutch chatter (he did not
> know what it is until he described it to me) on his 03 Civic when cold
> on initial start off. The car has only 44k miles, which suggests he
> has not taken care of the clutch
Chatter is usually due to heat checking on the flywheel, or a bent
friction disc, both caused by abuse. If he's been particularly brutal
with the clutch (drag racing, showing off), it's possible to badly
damage those parts very quickly.
Chatter can also result from oil on the friction disc, something that's
highly unlikely at this car's age.
> as perhaps he should have since I
> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
> tranmission.
Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
> I suggested that he would be better off having the
> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
> Any recommendations on this undertaking. Is he correct. What about
> cost at the local Honda dealer?
>
He'll pay close to $1,000 at a dealer, including parts, taxes, and
flywheel resurfacing (if they'll do that instead of replacing the
flywheel).
It's worth paying $90 to have the dealer properly diagnose this
"chatter", to make sure it's not something that will go unsolved after
the expenditure of ten times that amount.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
> My son tells me that he is experiencing clutch chatter (he did not
> know what it is until he described it to me) on his 03 Civic when cold
> on initial start off. The car has only 44k miles, which suggests he
> has not taken care of the clutch
Chatter is usually due to heat checking on the flywheel, or a bent
friction disc, both caused by abuse. If he's been particularly brutal
with the clutch (drag racing, showing off), it's possible to badly
damage those parts very quickly.
Chatter can also result from oil on the friction disc, something that's
highly unlikely at this car's age.
> as perhaps he should have since I
> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
> tranmission.
Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
> I suggested that he would be better off having the
> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
> Any recommendations on this undertaking. Is he correct. What about
> cost at the local Honda dealer?
>
He'll pay close to $1,000 at a dealer, including parts, taxes, and
flywheel resurfacing (if they'll do that instead of replacing the
flywheel).
It's worth paying $90 to have the dealer properly diagnose this
"chatter", to make sure it's not something that will go unsolved after
the expenditure of ten times that amount.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
>
>> as perhaps he should have since I
>> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
>> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
>> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
>> tranmission.
>
>
>
> Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
>
>
>
>> I suggested that he would be better off having the
>> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
>> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
>> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
>
>
>
> Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on the
input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice. It
is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do on
a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny had
to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it can
still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a tranny
back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
go together that last cm."
Mike
news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
>
>> as perhaps he should have since I
>> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
>> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
>> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
>> tranmission.
>
>
>
> Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
>
>
>
>> I suggested that he would be better off having the
>> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
>> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
>> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
>
>
>
> Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on the
input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice. It
is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do on
a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny had
to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it can
still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a tranny
back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
go together that last cm."
Mike
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
>
>> as perhaps he should have since I
>> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
>> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
>> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
>> tranmission.
>
>
>
> Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
>
>
>
>> I suggested that he would be better off having the
>> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
>> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
>> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
>
>
>
> Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on the
input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice. It
is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do on
a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny had
to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it can
still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a tranny
back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
go together that last cm."
Mike
news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
>
>> as perhaps he should have since I
>> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
>> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
>> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
>> tranmission.
>
>
>
> Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
>
>
>
>> I suggested that he would be better off having the
>> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
>> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
>> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
>
>
>
> Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on the
input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice. It
is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do on
a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny had
to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it can
still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a tranny
back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
go together that last cm."
Mike
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
>
>> as perhaps he should have since I
>> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
>> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
>> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
>> tranmission.
>
>
>
> Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
>
>
>
>> I suggested that he would be better off having the
>> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
>> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
>> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
>
>
>
> Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on the
input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice. It
is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do on
a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny had
to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it can
still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a tranny
back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
go together that last cm."
Mike
news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
>
>> as perhaps he should have since I
>> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
>> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
>> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
>> tranmission.
>
>
>
> Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
>
>
>
>> I suggested that he would be better off having the
>> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
>> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
>> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
>
>
>
> Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on the
input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice. It
is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do on
a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny had
to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it can
still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a tranny
back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
go together that last cm."
Mike
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
>
>> as perhaps he should have since I
>> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
>> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
>> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
>> tranmission.
>
>
>
> Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
>
>
>
>> I suggested that he would be better off having the
>> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
>> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
>> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
>
>
>
> Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on the
input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice. It
is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do on
a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny had
to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it can
still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a tranny
back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
go together that last cm."
Mike
news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
>
>> as perhaps he should have since I
>> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
>> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
>> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
>> tranmission.
>
>
>
> Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
>
>
>
>> I suggested that he would be better off having the
>> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
>> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
>> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
>
>
>
> Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
>
That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on the
input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice. It
is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do on
a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny had
to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it can
still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a tranny
back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
go together that last cm."
Mike
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> > "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> > news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
> >
> >> as perhaps he should have since I
> >> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
> >> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
> >> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
> >> tranmission.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> > It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
> >
> >
> >
> >> I suggested that he would be better off having the
> >> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
> >> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
> >> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
> >
> >
> >
> > Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> > bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> > when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
> >
>
> That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
> careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
> tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
> spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
> inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on
the
> input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
> while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
> dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
> later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
>
> Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice.
It
> is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do
on
> a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny
had
> to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it
can
> still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a
tranny
> back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
> go together that last cm."
>
> Mike
>
>
Appreciate the info from all. I have this before on a 69 Vette on
jackstands. And, you had to remove the transmission. Frankly, I don't think
he has the expertise despite training on motorcycle repair. I will have to
drive the car myself to see exactly what the problem is -- and I hope it is
not abuse. Heck -- why race a 115 hp Civic.
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:XbWdnQOYeptJzuDYnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> > "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> > news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
> >
> >> as perhaps he should have since I
> >> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
> >> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
> >> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
> >> tranmission.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> > It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
> >
> >
> >
> >> I suggested that he would be better off having the
> >> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
> >> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
> >> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
> >
> >
> >
> > Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> > bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> > when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
> >
>
> That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
> careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
> tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
> spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
> inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on
the
> input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
> while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
> dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
> later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
>
> Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice.
It
> is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do
on
> a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny
had
> to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it
can
> still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a
tranny
> back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
> go together that last cm."
>
> Mike
>
>
Appreciate the info from all. I have this before on a 69 Vette on
jackstands. And, you had to remove the transmission. Frankly, I don't think
he has the expertise despite training on motorcycle repair. I will have to
drive the car myself to see exactly what the problem is -- and I hope it is
not abuse. Heck -- why race a 115 hp Civic.
#24
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:XbWdnQOYeptJzuDYnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> > "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> > news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
> >
> >> as perhaps he should have since I
> >> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
> >> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
> >> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
> >> tranmission.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> > It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
> >
> >
> >
> >> I suggested that he would be better off having the
> >> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
> >> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
> >> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
> >
> >
> >
> > Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> > bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> > when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
> >
>
> That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
> careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
> tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
> spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
> inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on
the
> input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
> while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
> dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
> later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
>
> Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice.
It
> is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do
on
> a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny
had
> to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it
can
> still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a
tranny
> back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
> go together that last cm."
>
> Mike
>
>
Appreciate the info from all. I have this before on a 69 Vette on
jackstands. And, you had to remove the transmission. Frankly, I don't think
he has the expertise despite training on motorcycle repair. I will have to
drive the car myself to see exactly what the problem is -- and I hope it is
not abuse. Heck -- why race a 115 hp Civic.
#25
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Re: 03 Civic LX Clutch Replacement
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:XbWdnQOYeptJzuDYnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@sedona.net.. .
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9895D675D1D40tegger@207.14.116.130...
> > "tww" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote in
> > news:3cZeh.59592$W66.23487@newsfe15.lga:
> >
> >> as perhaps he should have since I
> >> have gone past 100k on many manual shifts with no clutch problems. He
> >> tells me the clutch should be a simple replacement he and a friend can
> >> do since it appears you do not have to remove the engine or
> >> tranmission.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tranny HAS to come off. Also the lower balljoints and the driveshafts.
> > It's a very big job to do in your driveway without a hoist.
> >
> >
> >
> >> I suggested that he would be better off having the
> >> dealer replace it (my only experience with clutches dates back to late
> >> 60s Vettes). My estimate of the cost to him was around $500.00. He
> >> thinks that's too high and the job is within his capabilities.
> >
> >
> >
> > Then let him do it, on one condition: It's HIS responsibility to pay for
> > bent input shafts ($$$$), and HIS responsibility to get it to a garage
> > when he can't get the splines to line up after trying all night.
> >
>
> That's an exaggeration, TeGGeR. Shoot, with moderate experience and very
> careful use of the clutch alignment tool before reassembly I got my son's
> tranny in place in about an hour or so. Of course, most of that time was
> spent wrestling with an 80 pound irregularly shaped freezing hunk of metal
> inches from my chest (remember, it mustn't put any appreciable weight on
the
> input shaft so the only way to rest is to take it completely back down)
> while trying blindly to get it to line up within less than a mm in two
> dimensions and in two axis... but since I didn't have nightmares about it
> later it couldn't have been that bad, right? <8^P
>
> Seriously, 'tww', you don't want to get into this if you have any choice.
It
> is one of the most physically demanding and frustrating things you can do
on
> a car. If you can use a transmission jack (I couldn't because the tranny
had
> to rotate once in position) it is less demanding but is no quicker - it
can
> still take forever to find the magic position. Every time I've put a
tranny
> back up I've wondered "Why won't it seat? It looks perfect except it won't
> go together that last cm."
>
> Mike
>
>
Appreciate the info from all. I have this before on a 69 Vette on
jackstands. And, you had to remove the transmission. Frankly, I don't think
he has the expertise despite training on motorcycle repair. I will have to
drive the car myself to see exactly what the problem is -- and I hope it is
not abuse. Heck -- why race a 115 hp Civic.
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