jim beam

Dave Kelsen wrote:
> On 8/14/2008 10:36 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> I know hy I left the newsgroups if some asks a question people are
>>> much too harsh on there answers,
>>
>> it's "their". and i really can't believe you could have found
>> yourself having to leave before!!! not.
>
> For what it's worth, it's "It's".

it's a unix thing...


> Not to mention that you never start a
> sentence with a conjunction.

but i just did. and this is conversation, not dissertation.


> I don't have any grief with correcting
> spelling - how else do people learn?

where were you for the op's education?


> - but for proper communication, the
> rules of grammar also have a place.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen

Dave Kelsen

On 8/16/2008 11:13 AM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:

> Dave Kelsen wrote:
>> On 8/14/2008 10:36 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> I know hy I left the newsgroups if some asks a question people are
>>>> much too harsh on there answers,
>>>
>>> it's "their". and i really can't believe you could have found
>>> yourself having to leave before!!! not.
>>
>> For what it's worth, it's "It's".
>
> it's a unix thing...

Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall just
the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in English, case
matters. You have it wrong.


>> Not to mention that you never start a
>> sentence with a conjunction.
>
> but i just did. and this is conversation, not dissertation.

So you did. This is not a conversation in the general sense, although
you could derive a sense of that meaning from 2c below.

1 obsolete : conduct, behavior
2 a (1): oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas
(2): an instance of such exchange : talk <a quiet conversation> b: an
informal discussion of an issue by representatives of governments,
institutions, or groups c: an exchange similar to conversation.

Irrespective, you seem to imply that rules of punctuation and grammar
don't apply to written 'conversations', yet you seem to be concerned
with rules of spelling. I guess you get to pick and choose. It's a Jim
Beam thing...


>> I don't have any grief with correcting
>> spelling - how else do people learn?
>
> where were you for the op's education?

You corrected the spelling mistake. That's the point. There are more
rules for good communication than spelling.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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jim beam

Dave Kelsen wrote:
> On 8/16/2008 11:13 AM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> Dave Kelsen wrote:
>>> On 8/14/2008 10:36 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> I know hy I left the newsgroups if some asks a question people are
>>>>> much too harsh on there answers,
>>>>
>>>> it's "their". and i really can't believe you could have found
>>>> yourself having to leave before!!! not.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, it's "It's".
>>
>> it's a unix thing...
>
> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall just
> the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in English, case
> matters. You have it wrong.

name a single cli command that is capitalized.



>
>
>>> Not to mention that you never start a sentence with a conjunction.
>>
>> but i just did. and this is conversation, not dissertation.
>
> So you did. This is not a conversation in the general sense, although
> you could derive a sense of that meaning from 2c below.
>
> 1 obsolete : conduct, behavior
> 2 a (1): oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas
> (2): an instance of such exchange : talk <a quiet conversation> b: an
> informal discussion of an issue by representatives of governments,
> institutions, or groups c: an exchange similar to conversation.
>
> Irrespective, you seem to imply that rules of punctuation and grammar
> don't apply to written 'conversations', yet you seem to be concerned
> with rules of spelling. I guess you get to pick and choose. It's a Jim
> Beam thing...

get over yourself.


>
>
>>> I don't have any grief with correcting spelling - how else do people
>>> learn?
>>
>> where were you for the op's education?
>
> You corrected the spelling mistake. That's the point. There are more
> rules for good communication than spelling.

so, if you want to be a pedant, where are you when it matters?

Dan C

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:57:00 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>>> it's a unix thing...

>> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall just
>> the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in English, case
>> matters. You have it wrong.

> name a single cli command that is capitalized.

Who claimed anything about "cli commands"? He said that "case matters" in
Unix, and that is a true statement. If you actually did use Unix, you'd
know that.

Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in English,
which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling, punctuation is in
order. Get a grip.


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jim beam

Dan C wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:57:00 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>> it's a unix thing...
>
>>> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall just
>>> the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in English, case
>>> matters. You have it wrong.
>
>> name a single cli command that is capitalized.
>
> Who claimed anything about "cli commands"?

me. if you've used it, the habit of non-capitalization is pretty much
essential.


> He said that "case matters" in
> Unix, and that is a true statement.

i never said it wasn't. read the statement i made - don't
mischaracterize then criticize the mischaracterization.


> If you actually did use Unix, you'd
> know that.
>
> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in English,
> which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling, punctuation is in
> order. Get a grip.
>
>

Dave Kelsen

On 8/18/2008 11:07 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:

> Dan C wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:57:00 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>>> it's a unix thing...
>>
>>>> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall just
>>>> the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in English, case
>>>> matters. You have it wrong.
>>
>>> name a single cli command that is capitalized.
>>
>> Who claimed anything about "cli commands"?
>
> me. if you've used it, the habit of non-capitalization is pretty much
> essential.
>
>
>> He said that "case matters" in
>> Unix, and that is a true statement.
>
> i never said it wasn't. read the statement i made - don't
> mischaracterize then criticize the mischaracterization.

You lying, moronic, deceptive, obfuscating, self-aggrandizing, pompous,
overblown miserable bag of .

I recognize that this is all you have, but JUST ONE TIME, pretend to be
an adult and take responsibility for what you say, and what it means.

Try getting out of your mom's basement and interacting with some real
humans; they won't really hurt you. For the love of Christ, take a
chance! It can't possibly any worse than whatever hell you're living now.

By the way, I could easily spell out (as I have in the past) what you
said, and what it means, and what it was intended to mean... and you'd
completely ignore it, and go on to make a pointless argument about
something entirely different. I won't do that, and you may say what you
like. But this is a public forum, 'jim', and anyone who cares to can
read it, and draw their own conclusions. Why don't you man up, for once?


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." -- John Barrymore

Dan C

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:07:33 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>>>> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall
>>>> just the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in
>>>> English, case matters. You have it wrong.

>>> name a single cli command that is capitalized.

>> Who claimed anything about "cli commands"?

> me. if you've used it, the habit of non-capitalization is pretty much
> essential.

I use it every day. The point is that the original claim was that "case
matters". The claim was *NOT* that there were any CLI commands that were
capitalized. See the difference? You throwing in that question was an
attempt to twist the issue.

>> He said that "case matters" in Unix, and that is a true statement.

> i never said it wasn't. read the statement i made - don't mischaracterize
> then criticize the mischaracterization.

Correct, you didn't say it wasn't a true statement. You did, however,
attempt to sidetrack the issue, by demanding us to name a command that is
capitalized, which is not the same thing.

>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in
>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling,
>> punctuation is in order.

How come you didn't respond to this portion of my previous post?


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jim beam

Dan C wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:07:33 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>>> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall
>>>>> just the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in
>>>>> English, case matters. You have it wrong.
>
>>>> name a single cli command that is capitalized.
>
>>> Who claimed anything about "cli commands"?
>
>> me. if you've used it, the habit of non-capitalization is pretty much
>> essential.
>
> I use it every day. The point is that the original claim was that "case
> matters".

but that wasn't /my/ claim!


> The claim was *NOT* that there were any CLI commands that were
> capitalized.

that was my claim.


> See the difference?

i see someone that didn't read.


> You throwing in that question was an
> attempt to twist the issue.

make that "sticking to the facts".


>
>>> He said that "case matters" in Unix, and that is a true statement.
>
>> i never said it wasn't. read the statement i made - don't mischaracterize
>> then criticize the mischaracterization.
>
> Correct, you didn't say it wasn't a true statement. You did, however,
> attempt to sidetrack the issue, by demanding us to name a command that is
> capitalized, which is not the same thing.

no, i'm sticking to exactly my original point and not letting this get
twisted.


>
>>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in
>>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling,
>>> punctuation is in order.
>
> How come you didn't respond to this portion of my previous post?

because it's ignorant?

jim beam

Dave Kelsen wrote:
> On 8/18/2008 11:07 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> Dan C wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:57:00 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> it's a unix thing...
>>>
>>>>> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall
>>>>> just
>>>>> the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in English,
>>>>> case
>>>>> matters. You have it wrong.
>>>
>>>> name a single cli command that is capitalized.
>>>
>>> Who claimed anything about "cli commands"?
>>
>> me. if you've used it, the habit of non-capitalization is pretty much
>> essential.
>>
>>
>>> He said that "case matters" in
>>> Unix, and that is a true statement.
>>
>> i never said it wasn't. read the statement i made - don't
>> mischaracterize then criticize the mischaracterization.
>
> You lying, moronic, deceptive, obfuscating, self-aggrandizing, pompous,
> overblown miserable bag of .
>
> I recognize that this is all you have, but JUST ONE TIME, pretend to be
> an adult and take responsibility for what you say, and what it means.
>
> Try getting out of your mom's basement and interacting with some real
> humans; they won't really hurt you. For the love of Christ, take a
> chance! It can't possibly any worse than whatever hell you're living now.
>
> By the way, I could easily spell out (as I have in the past) what you
> said, and what it means, and what it was intended to mean... and you'd
> completely ignore it, and go on to make a pointless argument about
> something entirely different. I won't do that, and you may say what you
> like. But this is a public forum, 'jim', and anyone who cares to can
> read it, and draw their own conclusions. Why don't you man up, for once?

i confront you with your own issues, and you attack the mirror.

Dan C

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:10 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>>>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in
>>>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling,
>>>> punctuation is in order.

>> How come you didn't respond to this portion of my previous post?

> because it's ignorant?

It's "ignorant"? LOL! So, you *do* think that this is a Unix CLI here,
and not a newsgroup discussion? That's why proper English isn't required
here?

Really?


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Joe

On 2008-08-17, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> name a single cli command that is capitalized.

VBoxHeadless is one that I use all the time... ;-)


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time..." - Danny, American History X

Dave Kelsen

On 8/19/2008 9:30 AM Dan C spake these words of knowledge:

> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:10 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in
>>>>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling,
>>>>> punctuation is in order.
>
>>> How come you didn't respond to this portion of my previous post?
>
>> because it's ignorant?
>
> It's "ignorant"? LOL! So, you *do* think that this is a Unix CLI here,
> and not a newsgroup discussion? That's why proper English isn't required
> here?
>
> Really?

Only a little reading will let you know that you're banging your head
against a wall. See his last reply to me. He's hopeless, and I for one
should know better. Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes
your time and annoys the pig.

Although Beam doesn't appear to be in touch with reality enough to be
annoyed, he most certainly is not going to approach real life.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
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jim beam

Dave Kelsen wrote:
> On 8/19/2008 9:30 AM Dan C spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:10 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in
>>>>>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling,
>>>>>> punctuation is in order.
>>
>>>> How come you didn't respond to this portion of my previous post?
>>
>>> because it's ignorant?
>>
>> It's "ignorant"? LOL! So, you *do* think that this is a Unix CLI here,
>> and not a newsgroup discussion? That's why proper English isn't required
>> here?
>>
>> Really?
>
> Only a little reading will let you know that you're banging your head
> against a wall. See his last reply to me. He's hopeless, and I for one
> should know better. Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes
> your time and annoys the pig.
>
> Although Beam doesn't appear to be in touch with reality enough to be
> annoyed, he most certainly is not going to approach real life.
>

self delusion is no solution dave. address the facts - you didn't read
what i wrote properly, and when confronted with that reality, you tried
to squirm your way out of it, finally resorting to bizarre fabrications
and temper tantrum. and all because you took it upon yourself to take
issue with a unix-centric habit that has a value you don't understand.

jim beam

Dan C wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:10 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in
>>>>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling,
>>>>> punctuation is in order.
>
>>> How come you didn't respond to this portion of my previous post?
>
>> because it's ignorant?
>
> It's "ignorant"? LOL! So, you *do* think that this is a Unix CLI here,
> and not a newsgroup discussion?

you're twisting the facts - this is indeed not a cli, but i never said
it was. i /did/ say that it's a cli habit. and an highly useful one.
and you can bet your *** it's not one i'm going to kick because some
self-appointed netcop is taking it on himself to waste electrons.


That's why proper English isn't required
> here?
>
> Really?
>
>

as for your netcop activities, either waste electrons uniformly for all
"transgressions" from all users or not at all.

jim beam

Joe wrote:
> On 2008-08-17, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> name a single cli command that is capitalized.
>
> VBoxHeadless is one that I use all the time... ;-)

well, you're one up on dave and dan. and me.