mollea

In 04, had it in for a recall for a problem with 2nd gear. Now at
54,000 miles, 2nd gear is failing and needs a new trans. Should Honda
cover this?

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Joe LaVigne

mollea wrote:

> In 04, had it in for a recall for a problem with 2nd gear. Now at
> 54,000 miles, 2nd gear is failing and needs a new trans. Should Honda
> cover this?
>

I am not sure of the 03, but most current Hondas have a powertrain warranty
that goes 6 years, 60,000 miles, so it MAY be covered.

Check your manual.

If it is not under warranty, call American Honda, and see what they will do,
based on service history.

Joe LaVigne

mollea wrote:

> In 04, had it in for a recall for a problem with 2nd gear. Now at
> 54,000 miles, 2nd gear is failing and needs a new trans. Should Honda
> cover this?
>

I also forgot to mention: If the recall you are talking about is the same
one that covered the Accords and Odysseys, your warranty has been boosted
to 108,000 miles for the Tranny. I don't know if the Pilot was one of
them, and I am too lazy to check right now, but call your dealer, and they
will know.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <998425_9c2a768da4d9bfea946c3c24213e23e4@autoboard z.com>,
mollea <none@000.com> wrote:

> In 04, had it in for a recall for a problem with 2nd gear. Now at
> 54,000 miles, 2nd gear is failing and needs a new trans. Should Honda
> cover this?

I would absolutely insist on it.

What's your relationship with your dealer service department? This
would be a bad time to tell us, "Screw him and all stealerships, I never
go there, it's always a ripoff"--because a good business relationship
with the dealer, who has discretionary Honda dollars to take care of
good customers on a goodwill basis, would be a good thing to have.

tww1491

"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:ev5bd4$i0t$4@news.datemas.de...
> mollea wrote:
>
>> In 04, had it in for a recall for a problem with 2nd gear. Now at
>> 54,000 miles, 2nd gear is failing and needs a new trans. Should Honda
>> cover this?
>>
>
> I also forgot to mention: If the recall you are talking about is the same
> one that covered the Accords and Odysseys, your warranty has been boosted
> to 108,000 miles for the Tranny. I don't know if the Pilot was one of
> them, and I am too lazy to check right now, but call your dealer, and they
> will know.


We have an 03 with 57k miles. There is no extended warranty. It expires at
36k miles or 3 years whichever comes first. 54k is a little early for
transmission failure, most of the ones I have read about go at around 100k.
The best he can do is talk to his dealer and see if HOnda will at least go
50% on a new or rebuilt transmission. The transmission in the Pilot is it's
weak point.

L Alpert

tww1491 wrote:
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:ev5bd4$i0t$4@news.datemas.de...
>> mollea wrote:
>>
>>> In 04, had it in for a recall for a problem with 2nd gear. Now at
>>> 54,000 miles, 2nd gear is failing and needs a new trans. Should
>>> Honda cover this?
>>>
>>
>> I also forgot to mention: If the recall you are talking about is the
>> same one that covered the Accords and Odysseys, your warranty has
>> been boosted to 108,000 miles for the Tranny. I don't know if the
>> Pilot was one of them, and I am too lazy to check right now, but
>> call your dealer, and they will know.
>
>
> We have an 03 with 57k miles. There is no extended warranty. It
> expires at 36k miles or 3 years whichever comes first. 54k is a
> little early for transmission failure, most of the ones I have read
> about go at around 100k. The best he can do is talk to his dealer and
> see if HOnda will at least go 50% on a new or rebuilt transmission. The
> transmission in the Pilot is it's weak point.

The recall for the 2nd gear issue also included a 100K 7 mi year warranty
coverage on the tranny..

tww1491

"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
news:FXQRh.3525$5e2.1931@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> tww1491 wrote:
>> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ev5bd4$i0t$4@news.datemas.de...
>>> mollea wrote:
>>>
>>>> In 04, had it in for a recall for a problem with 2nd gear. Now at
>>>> 54,000 miles, 2nd gear is failing and needs a new trans. Should
>>>> Honda cover this?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I also forgot to mention: If the recall you are talking about is the
>>> same one that covered the Accords and Odysseys, your warranty has
>>> been boosted to 108,000 miles for the Tranny. I don't know if the
>>> Pilot was one of them, and I am too lazy to check right now, but
>>> call your dealer, and they will know.
>>
>>
>> We have an 03 with 57k miles. There is no extended warranty. It
>> expires at 36k miles or 3 years whichever comes first. 54k is a
>> little early for transmission failure, most of the ones I have read
>> about go at around 100k. The best he can do is talk to his dealer and
>> see if HOnda will at least go 50% on a new or rebuilt transmission. The
>> transmission in the Pilot is it's weak point.
>
> The recall for the 2nd gear issue also included a 100K 7 mi year warranty
> coverage on the tranny..

We received absolutely nothing from Honda indicating that there was a
warranty extension. I will have to write them -- I doubt the dealer will be
willing to own up.
>

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <JoURh.248504$ia7.64746@newsfe14.lga>,
"tww1491" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote:

> > The recall for the 2nd gear issue also included a 100K 7 mi year warranty
> > coverage on the tranny..
>
> We received absolutely nothing from Honda indicating that there was a
> warranty extension. I will have to write them -- I doubt the dealer will be
> willing to own up.

Why?

My dealership is great about these kinds of things--but, as with
everything in life, you have to ask.

Howard

-- I doubt the dealer will be
>> willing to own up.
>
> Why?
>
> My dealership is great about these kinds of things--but, as with
> everything in life, you have to ask.

Why wouldn't your dealer want to warrant your trans? He can either get paid
by the consumer or Honda to do the trans replacement. What Honda pays is not
that much less than the consumer pays. Who cares who pays the bill when you
get paid.
Would you say the Technician, the Service Advisor, the Service Manager, the
Parts counterperson, the Parts Manager, the General Manager and the dealer
principal (owner) all have too much money to turn down such a high price job
no matter who pays?

Howard

tww1491

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-7A2379.19194807042007@nntp9.usenetserver.com...
> In article <JoURh.248504$ia7.64746@newsfe14.lga>,
> "tww1491" <twaugh5@***.net> wrote:
>
>> > The recall for the 2nd gear issue also included a 100K 7 mi year
>> > warranty
>> > coverage on the tranny..
>>
>> We received absolutely nothing from Honda indicating that there was a
>> warranty extension. I will have to write them -- I doubt the dealer will
>> be
>> willing to own up.
>
> Why?
>
> My dealership is great about these kinds of things--but, as with
> everything in life, you have to ask.

I tend to get answers like -- "I don't know" or in this case "no it does
not," which I'll bet is the answer. In the end, I will likely have to write
to Honda for an answer. At this point, we have had no problems with our
Pilot's transmission. Heck, when I looked at the 06 I4 last year, it
seemed to me that Honda had gone to a chain vs a belt for the cams. When I
asked the service type, the answer was he did not know, but did not think
so.
>

L Alpert

tww1491 wrote:
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FXQRh.3525$5e2.1931@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> tww1491 wrote:
>>> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ev5bd4$i0t$4@news.datemas.de...
>>>> mollea wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In 04, had it in for a recall for a problem with 2nd gear. Now at
>>>>> 54,000 miles, 2nd gear is failing and needs a new trans. Should
>>>>> Honda cover this?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also forgot to mention: If the recall you are talking about is
>>>> the same one that covered the Accords and Odysseys, your warranty
>>>> has been boosted to 108,000 miles for the Tranny. I don't know if
>>>> the Pilot was one of them, and I am too lazy to check right now,
>>>> but call your dealer, and they will know.
>>>
>>>
>>> We have an 03 with 57k miles. There is no extended warranty. It
>>> expires at 36k miles or 3 years whichever comes first. 54k is a
>>> little early for transmission failure, most of the ones I have read
>>> about go at around 100k. The best he can do is talk to his dealer
>>> and see if HOnda will at least go 50% on a new or rebuilt
>>> transmission. The transmission in the Pilot is it's weak point.
>>
>> The recall for the 2nd gear issue also included a 100K 7 mi year
>> warranty coverage on the tranny..
>
> We received absolutely nothing from Honda indicating that there was a
> warranty extension. I will have to write them -- I doubt the dealer
> will be willing to own up.

I believe you should have gotten a notification of the extended warranty
with your recall notice. There are a couple of numbers supplied below (from
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov)
-----------------

Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
ACURA / 3.2CL 2001-2003

ACURA / 3.2TL 2000-2004

ACURA / MDX 2001-2002

HONDA / ACCORD 2003-2004

HONDA / ODYSSEY 2002-2004

HONDA / PILOT 2003-2004

Recall Number: 04V176000
Summary:
ON SOME MINI VANS, SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES, CERTAIN
OPERATING CONDITIONS CAN RESULT IN HEAT BUILD-UP BETWEEN THE COUNTERSHAFT
AND SECONDARY SHAFT SECOND GEARS IN THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, EVENTUALLY
LEADING TO GEAR TOOTH CHIPPING OR GEAR BREAKAGE.
Consequence:
GEAR FAILURE COULD RESULT IN TRANSMISSION LOCKUP, WHICH COULD RESULT
IN A CRASH.
Remedy:
ON VEHICLES WITH 15,000 MILES OR LESS, THE DEALER WILL UPDATE THE
TRANSMISSION WITH A SIMPLE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE TO
INCREASE LUBRICATION TO THE SECOND GEAR. ON VEHICLES WITH MORE THAN 15,000
MILES, THE DEALER WILL INSPECT THE TRANSMISSION TO IDENTIFY GEARS THAT HAVE
ALREADY EXPERIENCED DISCOLORATION DUE TO OVERHEATING. IF DISCOLORATION
EXISTS, THE TRANSMISSION WILL BE REPLACED IF DISCOLORATION IS NOT PRESENT,
THE DEALER WILL PERFORM THE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE. THE
RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 21, 2004, FOR PILOT, ODYSSEY, AND MDX OWNERS. OWNERS
OF THE ACCORD VEHICLES WILL START RECEIVING LETTERS ON JUNE 28, 2004, AND ON
JUNE 29, 2004, FOR OWNERS OF THE TL AND CL VEHICLES. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT
HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009 OR ACURA AT 1-800-382-2238.
Notes:
HONDA RECALL NOS. P30 (ODYSSEY AND PILOT), P31 (MDX), P38 (ACCORD) AND
P39 (ACURA). CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY
ADMINISTRATION?S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).

tww1491

"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
news:QBVSh.9236$YL5.8223@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
> tww1491 wrote:
>> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:FXQRh.3525$5e2.1931@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>> tww1491 wrote:
>>>> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ev5bd4$i0t$4@news.datemas.de...
>>>>> mollea wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In 04, had it in for a recall for a problem with 2nd gear. Now at
>>>>>> 54,000 miles, 2nd gear is failing and needs a new trans. Should
>>>>>> Honda cover this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I also forgot to mention: If the recall you are talking about is
>>>>> the same one that covered the Accords and Odysseys, your warranty
>>>>> has been boosted to 108,000 miles for the Tranny. I don't know if
>>>>> the Pilot was one of them, and I am too lazy to check right now,
>>>>> but call your dealer, and they will know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have an 03 with 57k miles. There is no extended warranty. It
>>>> expires at 36k miles or 3 years whichever comes first. 54k is a
>>>> little early for transmission failure, most of the ones I have read
>>>> about go at around 100k. The best he can do is talk to his dealer
>>>> and see if HOnda will at least go 50% on a new or rebuilt
>>>> transmission. The transmission in the Pilot is it's weak point.
>>>
>>> The recall for the 2nd gear issue also included a 100K 7 mi year
>>> warranty coverage on the tranny..
>>
>> We received absolutely nothing from Honda indicating that there was a
>> warranty extension. I will have to write them -- I doubt the dealer
>> will be willing to own up.
>
> I believe you should have gotten a notification of the extended warranty
> with your recall notice. There are a couple of numbers supplied below
> (from http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov)
> -----------------
The letter to the owners says nothing about an extended warranty -- just the
recall. From what I have read, Honda felt that it could solve the problem
with the oil injector kit and that an extended warranty was unnecessary.


>
> Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
> ACURA / 3.2CL 2001-2003
>
> ACURA / 3.2TL 2000-2004
>
> ACURA / MDX 2001-2002
>
> HONDA / ACCORD 2003-2004
>
> HONDA / ODYSSEY 2002-2004
>
> HONDA / PILOT 2003-2004
>
> Recall Number: 04V176000
> Summary:
> ON SOME MINI VANS, SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES, CERTAIN
> OPERATING CONDITIONS CAN RESULT IN HEAT BUILD-UP BETWEEN THE COUNTERSHAFT
> AND SECONDARY SHAFT SECOND GEARS IN THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, EVENTUALLY
> LEADING TO GEAR TOOTH CHIPPING OR GEAR BREAKAGE.
> Consequence:
> GEAR FAILURE COULD RESULT IN TRANSMISSION LOCKUP, WHICH COULD RESULT
> IN A CRASH.
> Remedy:
> ON VEHICLES WITH 15,000 MILES OR LESS, THE DEALER WILL UPDATE THE
> TRANSMISSION WITH A SIMPLE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE TO
> INCREASE LUBRICATION TO THE SECOND GEAR. ON VEHICLES WITH MORE THAN 15,000
> MILES, THE DEALER WILL INSPECT THE TRANSMISSION TO IDENTIFY GEARS THAT
> HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED DISCOLORATION DUE TO OVERHEATING. IF
> DISCOLORATION EXISTS, THE TRANSMISSION WILL BE REPLACED IF DISCOLORATION
> IS NOT PRESENT, THE DEALER WILL PERFORM THE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER
> RETURN LINE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 21, 2004, FOR PILOT, ODYSSEY, AND
> MDX OWNERS. OWNERS OF THE ACCORD VEHICLES WILL START RECEIVING LETTERS ON
> JUNE 28, 2004, AND ON JUNE 29, 2004, FOR OWNERS OF THE TL AND CL VEHICLES.
> OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009 OR ACURA AT 1-800-382-2238.
> Notes:
> HONDA RECALL NOS. P30 (ODYSSEY AND PILOT), P31 (MDX), P38 (ACCORD)
> AND P39 (ACURA). CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC
> SAFETY ADMINISTRATION?S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT
> (1-888-327-4236).
>
>

Joe LaVigne

tww1491 wrote:

>> I believe you should have gotten a notification of the extended warranty
>> with your recall notice. There are a couple of numbers supplied below
>> (from http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov)
>> -----------------
> The letter to the owners says nothing about an extended warranty -- just
> the recall. From what I have read, Honda felt that it could solve the
> problem with the oil injector kit and that an extended warranty was
> unnecessary.

Call a dealer and verify your model/VIN. Honda absolutely extended the
warranty to 108,000 miles on affected vehicles for the transmission.