Eightupman

Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
FINE.....until I took it around the block.

I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some of this
all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing belt
change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the stalling
problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while. While talking
to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if he noticed if the
car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the tank is close to empty)
He said that he did not pay attention to that.

Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down the
gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.

So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it was a
fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it liked. If
it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run mysteriously for several
days at a time.

So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at idle,
that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly ON the car,
but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will check that
tomorrow.

Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this one
out....sumbich.....LOL

John

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>
> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut down.
> It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems to sound
> fine.
>
> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one out....
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> John
>
>

Eightupman

Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
FINE.....until I took it around the block.

I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some of this
all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing belt
change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the stalling
problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while. While talking
to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if he noticed if the
car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the tank is close to empty)
He said that he did not pay attention to that.

Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down the
gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.

So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it was a
fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it liked. If
it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run mysteriously for several
days at a time.

So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at idle,
that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly ON the car,
but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will check that
tomorrow.

Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this one
out....sumbich.....LOL

John

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>
> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut down.
> It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems to sound
> fine.
>
> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one out....
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> John
>
>

Eightupman

Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
FINE.....until I took it around the block.

I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some of this
all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing belt
change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the stalling
problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while. While talking
to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if he noticed if the
car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the tank is close to empty)
He said that he did not pay attention to that.

Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down the
gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.

So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it was a
fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it liked. If
it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run mysteriously for several
days at a time.

So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at idle,
that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly ON the car,
but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will check that
tomorrow.

Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this one
out....sumbich.....LOL

John

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>
> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut down.
> It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems to sound
> fine.
>
> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one out....
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> John
>
>

TeGGeR®

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
news:eMT%g.12279$2h.7259@tornado.southeast.rr.com:

> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:XcGdnUV4OdWW2qDYnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@sedona.net...
>> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>>
>>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>>> down.
>>> It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems to
>>> sound fine.
>>>
>>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>>> out....
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>> Carbureted or fuel injected?
>>
>
>
> Injected
>
>


OK, so it goes vaROOMMMMMMMMM then dies, right?

First thing I'd be looking at is fuel pump operation. Does it run
continuously as this drama is unfolding? Have a helper sit in the trunk
with his ear to the floor while you try to start. The pump makes a
humming noise.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR®

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
news:eMT%g.12279$2h.7259@tornado.southeast.rr.com:

> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:XcGdnUV4OdWW2qDYnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@sedona.net...
>> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>>
>>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>>> down.
>>> It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems to
>>> sound fine.
>>>
>>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>>> out....
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>> Carbureted or fuel injected?
>>
>
>
> Injected
>
>


OK, so it goes vaROOMMMMMMMMM then dies, right?

First thing I'd be looking at is fuel pump operation. Does it run
continuously as this drama is unfolding? Have a helper sit in the trunk
with his ear to the floor while you try to start. The pump makes a
humming noise.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR®

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
news:eMT%g.12279$2h.7259@tornado.southeast.rr.com:

> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:XcGdnUV4OdWW2qDYnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@sedona.net...
>> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>>
>>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>>> down.
>>> It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems to
>>> sound fine.
>>>
>>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>>> out....
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>> Carbureted or fuel injected?
>>
>
>
> Injected
>
>


OK, so it goes vaROOMMMMMMMMM then dies, right?

First thing I'd be looking at is fuel pump operation. Does it run
continuously as this drama is unfolding? Have a helper sit in the trunk
with his ear to the floor while you try to start. The pump makes a
humming noise.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR®

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
news:eMT%g.12279$2h.7259@tornado.southeast.rr.com:

> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:XcGdnUV4OdWW2qDYnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@sedona.net...
>> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>>
>>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>>> down.
>>> It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems to
>>> sound fine.
>>>
>>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>>> out....
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>> Carbureted or fuel injected?
>>
>
>
> Injected
>
>


OK, so it goes vaROOMMMMMMMMM then dies, right?

First thing I'd be looking at is fuel pump operation. Does it run
continuously as this drama is unfolding? Have a helper sit in the trunk
with his ear to the floor while you try to start. The pump makes a
humming noise.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Jim Yanik

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
news:VUT%g.12303$2h.8874@tornado.southeast.rr.com:

> Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
> FINE.....until I took it around the block.
>
> I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some
> of this all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing
> belt change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the
> stalling problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while.
> While talking to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if
> he noticed if the car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the
> tank is close to empty) He said that he did not pay attention to that.
>
> Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down
> the gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.
>
> So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it
> was a fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it
> liked. If it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run
> mysteriously for several days at a time.
>
> So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at
> idle, that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly
> ON the car, but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will
> check that tomorrow.
>
> Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this
> one out....sumbich.....LOL
>
> John
>
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>
>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>> down. It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems
>> to sound fine.
>>
>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>> out....
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>
>
>

you could eliminate the main relay as a problem by taking it out and
resoldering it,www.tegger.com has the instructions. It doesn't take very
long to do.

check the grounds in the engine compartment.Maybe they are corroded and not
making good contact.

Do you think this might have been a "flood car",one that's been under water
at one time?

Bad throttle position sensor? Maybe a bad segment(wornout) on the sensor,at
the end near idle,so if you keep the throttle above that point,the motor
runs,but when the throttle moves below the bad segment,it has no signal(or
wrong signal) to the ECU;thus the motor dies. Info in my Haynes manual for
my 94 Integra says you can use a voltmeter to check the TPS,output V runs
from 0.5V to 4.5V,with an input supply(reference) of 5V. It seems to be a
potentiometer(variable resistor),that's why it sounds like a bad segment at
the idle end of the pot. The output voltage should be a smooth increase
from low to high,no jumping.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
news:VUT%g.12303$2h.8874@tornado.southeast.rr.com:

> Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
> FINE.....until I took it around the block.
>
> I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some
> of this all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing
> belt change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the
> stalling problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while.
> While talking to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if
> he noticed if the car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the
> tank is close to empty) He said that he did not pay attention to that.
>
> Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down
> the gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.
>
> So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it
> was a fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it
> liked. If it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run
> mysteriously for several days at a time.
>
> So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at
> idle, that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly
> ON the car, but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will
> check that tomorrow.
>
> Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this
> one out....sumbich.....LOL
>
> John
>
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>
>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>> down. It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems
>> to sound fine.
>>
>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>> out....
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>
>
>

you could eliminate the main relay as a problem by taking it out and
resoldering it,www.tegger.com has the instructions. It doesn't take very
long to do.

check the grounds in the engine compartment.Maybe they are corroded and not
making good contact.

Do you think this might have been a "flood car",one that's been under water
at one time?

Bad throttle position sensor? Maybe a bad segment(wornout) on the sensor,at
the end near idle,so if you keep the throttle above that point,the motor
runs,but when the throttle moves below the bad segment,it has no signal(or
wrong signal) to the ECU;thus the motor dies. Info in my Haynes manual for
my 94 Integra says you can use a voltmeter to check the TPS,output V runs
from 0.5V to 4.5V,with an input supply(reference) of 5V. It seems to be a
potentiometer(variable resistor),that's why it sounds like a bad segment at
the idle end of the pot. The output voltage should be a smooth increase
from low to high,no jumping.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
news:VUT%g.12303$2h.8874@tornado.southeast.rr.com:

> Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
> FINE.....until I took it around the block.
>
> I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some
> of this all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing
> belt change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the
> stalling problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while.
> While talking to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if
> he noticed if the car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the
> tank is close to empty) He said that he did not pay attention to that.
>
> Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down
> the gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.
>
> So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it
> was a fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it
> liked. If it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run
> mysteriously for several days at a time.
>
> So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at
> idle, that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly
> ON the car, but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will
> check that tomorrow.
>
> Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this
> one out....sumbich.....LOL
>
> John
>
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>
>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>> down. It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems
>> to sound fine.
>>
>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>> out....
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>
>
>

you could eliminate the main relay as a problem by taking it out and
resoldering it,www.tegger.com has the instructions. It doesn't take very
long to do.

check the grounds in the engine compartment.Maybe they are corroded and not
making good contact.

Do you think this might have been a "flood car",one that's been under water
at one time?

Bad throttle position sensor? Maybe a bad segment(wornout) on the sensor,at
the end near idle,so if you keep the throttle above that point,the motor
runs,but when the throttle moves below the bad segment,it has no signal(or
wrong signal) to the ECU;thus the motor dies. Info in my Haynes manual for
my 94 Integra says you can use a voltmeter to check the TPS,output V runs
from 0.5V to 4.5V,with an input supply(reference) of 5V. It seems to be a
potentiometer(variable resistor),that's why it sounds like a bad segment at
the idle end of the pot. The output voltage should be a smooth increase
from low to high,no jumping.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik

"Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
news:VUT%g.12303$2h.8874@tornado.southeast.rr.com:

> Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
> FINE.....until I took it around the block.
>
> I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some
> of this all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing
> belt change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the
> stalling problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while.
> While talking to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if
> he noticed if the car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the
> tank is close to empty) He said that he did not pay attention to that.
>
> Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down
> the gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.
>
> So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it
> was a fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it
> liked. If it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run
> mysteriously for several days at a time.
>
> So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at
> idle, that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly
> ON the car, but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will
> check that tomorrow.
>
> Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this
> one out....sumbich.....LOL
>
> John
>
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>
>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>> down. It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems
>> to sound fine.
>>
>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>> out....
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>
>
>

you could eliminate the main relay as a problem by taking it out and
resoldering it,www.tegger.com has the instructions. It doesn't take very
long to do.

check the grounds in the engine compartment.Maybe they are corroded and not
making good contact.

Do you think this might have been a "flood car",one that's been under water
at one time?

Bad throttle position sensor? Maybe a bad segment(wornout) on the sensor,at
the end near idle,so if you keep the throttle above that point,the motor
runs,but when the throttle moves below the bad segment,it has no signal(or
wrong signal) to the ECU;thus the motor dies. Info in my Haynes manual for
my 94 Integra says you can use a voltmeter to check the TPS,output V runs
from 0.5V to 4.5V,with an input supply(reference) of 5V. It seems to be a
potentiometer(variable resistor),that's why it sounds like a bad segment at
the idle end of the pot. The output voltage should be a smooth increase
from low to high,no jumping.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Eightupman

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns986854A0CBEEjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84...
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
> news:VUT%g.12303$2h.8874@tornado.southeast.rr.com:
>
>> Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
>> FINE.....until I took it around the block.
>>
>> I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some
>> of this all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing
>> belt change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the
>> stalling problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while.
>> While talking to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if
>> he noticed if the car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the
>> tank is close to empty) He said that he did not pay attention to that.
>>
>> Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down
>> the gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.
>>
>> So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it
>> was a fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it
>> liked. If it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run
>> mysteriously for several days at a time.
>>
>> So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at
>> idle, that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly
>> ON the car, but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will
>> check that tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this
>> one out....sumbich.....LOL
>>
>> John
>>
>> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>>
>>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>>> down. It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems
>>> to sound fine.
>>>
>>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>>> out....
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> you could eliminate the main relay as a problem by taking it out and
> resoldering it,www.tegger.com has the instructions. It doesn't take very
> long to do.
>
> check the grounds in the engine compartment.Maybe they are corroded and
> not
> making good contact.
>
> Do you think this might have been a "flood car",one that's been under
> water
> at one time?
>
> Bad throttle position sensor? Maybe a bad segment(wornout) on the
> sensor,at
> the end near idle,so if you keep the throttle above that point,the motor
> runs,but when the throttle moves below the bad segment,it has no signal(or
> wrong signal) to the ECU;thus the motor dies. Info in my Haynes manual for
> my 94 Integra says you can use a voltmeter to check the TPS,output V runs
> from 0.5V to 4.5V,with an input supply(reference) of 5V. It seems to be a
> potentiometer(variable resistor),that's why it sounds like a bad segment
> at
> the idle end of the pot. The output voltage should be a smooth increase
> from low to high,no jumping.
>
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Sounds like a sound theory. except the fact that I am in the electronics
profession, and if the pot were bad...it would be bad all the time, and not
mysteriously run/idle fine when it wants too. Will check it anyway.

John

Eightupman

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns986854A0CBEEjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84...
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
> news:VUT%g.12303$2h.8874@tornado.southeast.rr.com:
>
>> Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
>> FINE.....until I took it around the block.
>>
>> I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some
>> of this all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing
>> belt change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the
>> stalling problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while.
>> While talking to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if
>> he noticed if the car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the
>> tank is close to empty) He said that he did not pay attention to that.
>>
>> Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down
>> the gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.
>>
>> So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it
>> was a fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it
>> liked. If it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run
>> mysteriously for several days at a time.
>>
>> So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at
>> idle, that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly
>> ON the car, but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will
>> check that tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this
>> one out....sumbich.....LOL
>>
>> John
>>
>> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>>
>>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>>> down. It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems
>>> to sound fine.
>>>
>>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>>> out....
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> you could eliminate the main relay as a problem by taking it out and
> resoldering it,www.tegger.com has the instructions. It doesn't take very
> long to do.
>
> check the grounds in the engine compartment.Maybe they are corroded and
> not
> making good contact.
>
> Do you think this might have been a "flood car",one that's been under
> water
> at one time?
>
> Bad throttle position sensor? Maybe a bad segment(wornout) on the
> sensor,at
> the end near idle,so if you keep the throttle above that point,the motor
> runs,but when the throttle moves below the bad segment,it has no signal(or
> wrong signal) to the ECU;thus the motor dies. Info in my Haynes manual for
> my 94 Integra says you can use a voltmeter to check the TPS,output V runs
> from 0.5V to 4.5V,with an input supply(reference) of 5V. It seems to be a
> potentiometer(variable resistor),that's why it sounds like a bad segment
> at
> the idle end of the pot. The output voltage should be a smooth increase
> from low to high,no jumping.
>
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Sounds like a sound theory. except the fact that I am in the electronics
profession, and if the pot were bad...it would be bad all the time, and not
mysteriously run/idle fine when it wants too. Will check it anyway.

John

Eightupman

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns986854A0CBEEjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84...
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
> news:VUT%g.12303$2h.8874@tornado.southeast.rr.com:
>
>> Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
>> FINE.....until I took it around the block.
>>
>> I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some
>> of this all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing
>> belt change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the
>> stalling problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while.
>> While talking to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if
>> he noticed if the car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the
>> tank is close to empty) He said that he did not pay attention to that.
>>
>> Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down
>> the gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.
>>
>> So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it
>> was a fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it
>> liked. If it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run
>> mysteriously for several days at a time.
>>
>> So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at
>> idle, that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly
>> ON the car, but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will
>> check that tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this
>> one out....sumbich.....LOL
>>
>> John
>>
>> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>>
>>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>>> down. It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems
>>> to sound fine.
>>>
>>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>>> out....
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> you could eliminate the main relay as a problem by taking it out and
> resoldering it,www.tegger.com has the instructions. It doesn't take very
> long to do.
>
> check the grounds in the engine compartment.Maybe they are corroded and
> not
> making good contact.
>
> Do you think this might have been a "flood car",one that's been under
> water
> at one time?
>
> Bad throttle position sensor? Maybe a bad segment(wornout) on the
> sensor,at
> the end near idle,so if you keep the throttle above that point,the motor
> runs,but when the throttle moves below the bad segment,it has no signal(or
> wrong signal) to the ECU;thus the motor dies. Info in my Haynes manual for
> my 94 Integra says you can use a voltmeter to check the TPS,output V runs
> from 0.5V to 4.5V,with an input supply(reference) of 5V. It seems to be a
> potentiometer(variable resistor),that's why it sounds like a bad segment
> at
> the idle end of the pot. The output voltage should be a smooth increase
> from low to high,no jumping.
>
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Sounds like a sound theory. except the fact that I am in the electronics
profession, and if the pot were bad...it would be bad all the time, and not
mysteriously run/idle fine when it wants too. Will check it anyway.

John

Eightupman

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns986854A0CBEEjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84...
> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in
> news:VUT%g.12303$2h.8874@tornado.southeast.rr.com:
>
>> Ok, went out to toy with it yesterday. The sumbich started up and ran
>> FINE.....until I took it around the block.
>>
>> I got some history on the car from previous owner. Lets see if some
>> of this all makes sense. The car did the same thing BEFORE the timing
>> belt change...long before I even got under the hood. He said it (the
>> stalling problem) would last a couple days and then quit for a while.
>> While talking to him, (and after reading some suggestions) I asked if
>> he noticed if the car would do it at a certain fuel level (ie when the
>> tank is close to empty) He said that he did not pay attention to that.
>>
>> Some additional info....I can DRIVE the car all day long...up and down
>> the gears as long as I do not have to stop or let off the pedal.
>>
>> So that sort of eliminates some things logically I would think. If it
>> was a fuel pressure issue, I would think it would cut off any time it
>> liked. If it was a H_U_G_E vacuum issue it would not have run
>> mysteriously for several days at a time.
>>
>> So my thought is now...EGR valve...if it is allowing exhaust in at
>> idle, that would surely shut it down. The plunger is working properly
>> ON the car, but that does not mean that it is seated properly....will
>> check that tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks to all and keep the ideas coming....I AM going to figure this
>> one out....sumbich.....LOL
>>
>> John
>>
>> "Eightupman" <eightupman@newemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Tp8%g.4704$_u4.2870@tornado.southeast.rr.com. ..
>>> 1989 Honda Accord 5 speed, 2.0
>>>
>>> Car will start and run for about 5 seconds at 3000 RPM and then shut
>>> down. It will do this EVERY time I fire up the car. The engine seems
>>> to sound fine.
>>>
>>> Checked for vacuum leaks and the like, but can't figure this one
>>> out....
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> you could eliminate the main relay as a problem by taking it out and
> resoldering it,www.tegger.com has the instructions. It doesn't take very
> long to do.
>
> check the grounds in the engine compartment.Maybe they are corroded and
> not
> making good contact.
>
> Do you think this might have been a "flood car",one that's been under
> water
> at one time?
>
> Bad throttle position sensor? Maybe a bad segment(wornout) on the
> sensor,at
> the end near idle,so if you keep the throttle above that point,the motor
> runs,but when the throttle moves below the bad segment,it has no signal(or
> wrong signal) to the ECU;thus the motor dies. Info in my Haynes manual for
> my 94 Integra says you can use a voltmeter to check the TPS,output V runs
> from 0.5V to 4.5V,with an input supply(reference) of 5V. It seems to be a
> potentiometer(variable resistor),that's why it sounds like a bad segment
> at
> the idle end of the pot. The output voltage should be a smooth increase
> from low to high,no jumping.
>
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Sounds like a sound theory. except the fact that I am in the electronics
profession, and if the pot were bad...it would be bad all the time, and not
mysteriously run/idle fine when it wants too. Will check it anyway.

John