Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>
>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>an Acura badge.
>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>15000 Euros.
>
> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
> genteel class.:-)


What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
to the current classic car world.

Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>
>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>an Acura badge.
>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>15000 Euros.
>
> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
> genteel class.:-)


What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
to the current classic car world.

Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On 31 Jan 2004 01:03:14 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
>masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>>
>>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>>an Acura badge.
>>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>>15000 Euros.
>>
>> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
>> genteel class.:-)
>
>
>What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
>wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

That may have been the original form.

>An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
>estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
>shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
>to the current classic car world.

If you're dealing with classic shooting brakes they will have wooden or
wood trimmed rear bodywork. There are several current full metal bodied
cars in production - TVR, Bentley etc. - which are sold as Shooting Brakes
and a few custom builders who will do a "factory" conversion on just about
anything.

>Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
>30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
>government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
>wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
>brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
>declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

Check out http://www.gspovey.demon.co.uk/garag...ery/cersbr.htm a
very much alive "shooting brake" - room for the dogs and hunting gear.:-)
The real wooden bodied factory 'brakes date back to '20s, '30s models and
many of those ~1950 were aftermarket conversions. AFAIK the "commercial"
usage was nominally for hunting lodges, hotels etc. and then also, the rich
were not called "idle" for nothing.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On 31 Jan 2004 01:03:14 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
>masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>>
>>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>>an Acura badge.
>>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>>15000 Euros.
>>
>> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
>> genteel class.:-)
>
>
>What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
>wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

That may have been the original form.

>An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
>estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
>shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
>to the current classic car world.

If you're dealing with classic shooting brakes they will have wooden or
wood trimmed rear bodywork. There are several current full metal bodied
cars in production - TVR, Bentley etc. - which are sold as Shooting Brakes
and a few custom builders who will do a "factory" conversion on just about
anything.

>Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
>30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
>government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
>wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
>brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
>declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

Check out http://www.gspovey.demon.co.uk/garag...ery/cersbr.htm a
very much alive "shooting brake" - room for the dogs and hunting gear.:-)
The real wooden bodied factory 'brakes date back to '20s, '30s models and
many of those ~1950 were aftermarket conversions. AFAIK the "commercial"
usage was nominally for hunting lodges, hotels etc. and then also, the rich
were not called "idle" for nothing.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On 31 Jan 2004 01:03:14 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
>masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>>
>>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>>an Acura badge.
>>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>>15000 Euros.
>>
>> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
>> genteel class.:-)
>
>
>What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
>wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

That may have been the original form.

>An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
>estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
>shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
>to the current classic car world.

If you're dealing with classic shooting brakes they will have wooden or
wood trimmed rear bodywork. There are several current full metal bodied
cars in production - TVR, Bentley etc. - which are sold as Shooting Brakes
and a few custom builders who will do a "factory" conversion on just about
anything.

>Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
>30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
>government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
>wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
>brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
>declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

Check out http://www.gspovey.demon.co.uk/garag...ery/cersbr.htm a
very much alive "shooting brake" - room for the dogs and hunting gear.:-)
The real wooden bodied factory 'brakes date back to '20s, '30s models and
many of those ~1950 were aftermarket conversions. AFAIK the "commercial"
usage was nominally for hunting lodges, hotels etc. and then also, the rich
were not called "idle" for nothing.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On 31 Jan 2004 01:03:14 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
>masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>>
>>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>>an Acura badge.
>>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>>15000 Euros.
>>
>> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
>> genteel class.:-)
>
>
>What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
>wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

That may have been the original form.

>An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
>estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
>shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
>to the current classic car world.

If you're dealing with classic shooting brakes they will have wooden or
wood trimmed rear bodywork. There are several current full metal bodied
cars in production - TVR, Bentley etc. - which are sold as Shooting Brakes
and a few custom builders who will do a "factory" conversion on just about
anything.

>Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
>30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
>government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
>wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
>brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
>declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

Check out http://www.gspovey.demon.co.uk/garag...ery/cersbr.htm a
very much alive "shooting brake" - room for the dogs and hunting gear.:-)
The real wooden bodied factory 'brakes date back to '20s, '30s models and
many of those ~1950 were aftermarket conversions. AFAIK the "commercial"
usage was nominally for hunting lodges, hotels etc. and then also, the rich
were not called "idle" for nothing.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??