2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

Hey, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on what would be
causing this:
2000 civic sir with 120000km on it.
Intermittently idles low, like 150rpm, with a rough feel to it. If I tap
the gas rpms jump then just drop right back down to 150rpm or so (the line
just above the very bottom line on the tach). It slowly comes back up to
750rpm or so but if you tap the pedal it drops right back down again. It
can do it once or 4 to 5 times in a row this way. Oil changes done
regularly and according to the user manual the plugs don't need to be done
until 160000km.

thanks for any advice
dave
dcox@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine mod.


"JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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> Hey, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on what would be
> causing this:
> 2000 civic sir with 120000km on it.
> Intermittently idles low, like 150rpm, with a rough feel to it. If I tap
> the gas rpms jump then just drop right back down to 150rpm or so (the line
> just above the very bottom line on the tach). It slowly comes back up to
> 750rpm or so but if you tap the pedal it drops right back down again. It
> can do it once or 4 to 5 times in a row this way. Oil changes done
> regularly and according to the user manual the plugs don't need to be done
> until 160000km.
>
> thanks for any advice
> dave
> dcox@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca
>
>

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine mod.


"JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:whWOd.46440$tU6.2706@edtnps91...
> Hey, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on what would be
> causing this:
> 2000 civic sir with 120000km on it.
> Intermittently idles low, like 150rpm, with a rough feel to it. If I tap
> the gas rpms jump then just drop right back down to 150rpm or so (the line
> just above the very bottom line on the tach). It slowly comes back up to
> 750rpm or so but if you tap the pedal it drops right back down again. It
> can do it once or 4 to 5 times in a row this way. Oil changes done
> regularly and according to the user manual the plugs don't need to be done
> until 160000km.
>
> thanks for any advice
> dave
> dcox@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca
>
>

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

I'm not at all familiar with your model, but most modern cars do that when
the throttle body and/or idle air control valve (when it exists) gets gunked
up.

Mike

"JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:whWOd.46440$tU6.2706@edtnps91...
> Hey, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on what would be
> causing this:
> 2000 civic sir with 120000km on it.
> Intermittently idles low, like 150rpm, with a rough feel to it. If I tap
> the gas rpms jump then just drop right back down to 150rpm or so (the line
> just above the very bottom line on the tach). It slowly comes back up to
> 750rpm or so but if you tap the pedal it drops right back down again. It
> can do it once or 4 to 5 times in a row this way. Oil changes done
> regularly and according to the user manual the plugs don't need to be done
> until 160000km.
>
> thanks for any advice
> dave
> dcox@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca
>
>

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

I'm not at all familiar with your model, but most modern cars do that when
the throttle body and/or idle air control valve (when it exists) gets gunked
up.

Mike

"JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:whWOd.46440$tU6.2706@edtnps91...
> Hey, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on what would be
> causing this:
> 2000 civic sir with 120000km on it.
> Intermittently idles low, like 150rpm, with a rough feel to it. If I tap
> the gas rpms jump then just drop right back down to 150rpm or so (the line
> just above the very bottom line on the tach). It slowly comes back up to
> 750rpm or so but if you tap the pedal it drops right back down again. It
> can do it once or 4 to 5 times in a row this way. Oil changes done
> regularly and according to the user manual the plugs don't need to be done
> until 160000km.
>
> thanks for any advice
> dave
> dcox@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca
>
>

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

"JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in
news:ajWOd.46441$tU6.25254@edtnps91:

> Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine
> mod.



Ding ding ding! Aftermarket parts!

Remove, reinstall original parts and see if problem goes away.


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Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

"JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in
news:ajWOd.46441$tU6.25254@edtnps91:

> Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine
> mod.



Ding ding ding! Aftermarket parts!

Remove, reinstall original parts and see if problem goes away.


--
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Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

extremely doubtful an intake would cause this problem, its about as likely
as having a flat spare tire would cause this issue



"TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in message
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> "JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in
> news:ajWOd.46441$tU6.25254@edtnps91:
>
>> Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine
>> mod.
>
>
>
> Ding ding ding! Aftermarket parts!
>
> Remove, reinstall original parts and see if problem goes away.
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

extremely doubtful an intake would cause this problem, its about as likely
as having a flat spare tire would cause this issue



"TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns95FADF79A6C9Bteggeratistop@207.14.113.17.. .
> "JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in
> news:ajWOd.46441$tU6.25254@edtnps91:
>
>> Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine
>> mod.
>
>
>
> Ding ding ding! Aftermarket parts!
>
> Remove, reinstall original parts and see if problem goes away.
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

I can see how faults in an air intake could affect idle. If there is a
flapper (intentional or otherwise) in the intake and it is giving any sort
of trouble, it could certainly choke the engine at low air flow (idle).

An important first step in troubleshooting is to make everything right, then
see what problems you have.

Mike

"M.C. Tee" <tedwards@LEAVE.ME.ALONEnl.rogers.com> wrote in message
news:NNqdnX9j-7N2EpDfRVn-hw@rogers.com...
> extremely doubtful an intake would cause this problem, its about as likely
> as having a flat spare tire would cause this issue
>
>
>
> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns95FADF79A6C9Bteggeratistop@207.14.113.17.. .
>> "JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in
>> news:ajWOd.46441$tU6.25254@edtnps91:
>>
>>> Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine
>>> mod.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ding ding ding! Aftermarket parts!
>>
>> Remove, reinstall original parts and see if problem goes away.
>>
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
>

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

I can see how faults in an air intake could affect idle. If there is a
flapper (intentional or otherwise) in the intake and it is giving any sort
of trouble, it could certainly choke the engine at low air flow (idle).

An important first step in troubleshooting is to make everything right, then
see what problems you have.

Mike

"M.C. Tee" <tedwards@LEAVE.ME.ALONEnl.rogers.com> wrote in message
news:NNqdnX9j-7N2EpDfRVn-hw@rogers.com...
> extremely doubtful an intake would cause this problem, its about as likely
> as having a flat spare tire would cause this issue
>
>
>
> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns95FADF79A6C9Bteggeratistop@207.14.113.17.. .
>> "JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in
>> news:ajWOd.46441$tU6.25254@edtnps91:
>>
>>> Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine
>>> mod.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ding ding ding! Aftermarket parts!
>>
>> Remove, reinstall original parts and see if problem goes away.
>>
>>
>> --
>> TeGGeR®
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
>

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

yes, but gathering from what he said, the issue didn't start from adding the
intake, in which case there is nothing that could cause the issue, its a
piece of mandrel bent pipe, hard to have something go wrong there




"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:aIWdnfFrepkVY5DfRVn-sQ@sedona.net...
>I can see how faults in an air intake could affect idle. If there is a
>flapper (intentional or otherwise) in the intake and it is giving any sort
>of trouble, it could certainly choke the engine at low air flow (idle).
>
> An important first step in troubleshooting is to make everything right,
> then see what problems you have.
>
> Mike
>
> "M.C. Tee" <tedwards@LEAVE.ME.ALONEnl.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:NNqdnX9j-7N2EpDfRVn-hw@rogers.com...
>> extremely doubtful an intake would cause this problem, its about as
>> likely as having a flat spare tire would cause this issue
>>
>>
>>
>> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns95FADF79A6C9Bteggeratistop@207.14.113.17.. .
>>> "JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in
>>> news:ajWOd.46441$tU6.25254@edtnps91:
>>>
>>>> Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine
>>>> mod.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ding ding ding! Aftermarket parts!
>>>
>>> Remove, reinstall original parts and see if problem goes away.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> TeGGeR®
>>>
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>>
>
>

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

yes, but gathering from what he said, the issue didn't start from adding the
intake, in which case there is nothing that could cause the issue, its a
piece of mandrel bent pipe, hard to have something go wrong there




"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:aIWdnfFrepkVY5DfRVn-sQ@sedona.net...
>I can see how faults in an air intake could affect idle. If there is a
>flapper (intentional or otherwise) in the intake and it is giving any sort
>of trouble, it could certainly choke the engine at low air flow (idle).
>
> An important first step in troubleshooting is to make everything right,
> then see what problems you have.
>
> Mike
>
> "M.C. Tee" <tedwards@LEAVE.ME.ALONEnl.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:NNqdnX9j-7N2EpDfRVn-hw@rogers.com...
>> extremely doubtful an intake would cause this problem, its about as
>> likely as having a flat spare tire would cause this issue
>>
>>
>>
>> "TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns95FADF79A6C9Bteggeratistop@207.14.113.17.. .
>>> "JEHU" <dcoxNOSPAM@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in
>>> news:ajWOd.46441$tU6.25254@edtnps91:
>>>
>>>> Forgot to mention... it has a Short ram air intake as the only engine
>>>> mod.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ding ding ding! Aftermarket parts!
>>>
>>> Remove, reinstall original parts and see if problem goes away.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> TeGGeR®
>>>
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>>
>
>

Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

"M.C. Tee" <tedwards@LEAVE.ME.ALONEnl.rogers.com> wrote in
news:oM6dnQxPtub_mJPfRVn-gg@rogers.com:

> yes, but gathering from what he said, the issue didn't start from
> adding the intake,


He never said when it started.


> in which case there is nothing that could cause the
> issue, its a piece of mandrel bent pipe, hard to have something go
> wrong there


First step in a proper diagnosis: Install original parts.

If problem disappears, you know his "short ram" is causing the problem. If
the problem recurs, then you know it's not.

The OP also has provided very little other information. What would help
here is:
1) Does he have EGR?
2) How does the car start? OK? Lots of cranking needed?
3) How's his gas mileage?
4) How is the car off-idle? Any hesitation?
5) When does the low idle start happening? Cold? Warming up? Full warm?
6) Does it happen in the wet and dry, or just in the wet?
7) Does the temperature gauge go up all the way to the middle within 5 or 6
minutes of driving?
8) How new are the ignition wires, cap and rotor? Are they aftermarket too?


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Re: 2000 Civic SiR low, rough idle
 

"M.C. Tee" <tedwards@LEAVE.ME.ALONEnl.rogers.com> wrote in
news:oM6dnQxPtub_mJPfRVn-gg@rogers.com:

> yes, but gathering from what he said, the issue didn't start from
> adding the intake,


He never said when it started.


> in which case there is nothing that could cause the
> issue, its a piece of mandrel bent pipe, hard to have something go
> wrong there


First step in a proper diagnosis: Install original parts.

If problem disappears, you know his "short ram" is causing the problem. If
the problem recurs, then you know it's not.

The OP also has provided very little other information. What would help
here is:
1) Does he have EGR?
2) How does the car start? OK? Lots of cranking needed?
3) How's his gas mileage?
4) How is the car off-idle? Any hesitation?
5) When does the low idle start happening? Cold? Warming up? Full warm?
6) Does it happen in the wet and dry, or just in the wet?
7) Does the temperature gauge go up all the way to the middle within 5 or 6
minutes of driving?
8) How new are the ignition wires, cap and rotor? Are they aftermarket too?


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