Sean D

Hi,

I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was dead. It's a
2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2 weeks and also, I
hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half prior to that since I took
the bus to work. I checked all the lights and everything and nothing had
been left on. The only drain on the battery I can think of would be the
Honda alarm system and engine's computer. The battery was completely
drained. Even my keyless entry wouldn't work.

I'm wondering if this is a normal amount of time for a battery to die. The
car was in a heated parking garage so I can't see excessive cold being a big
issue. Is this something I should be concerned about or is it expected for
the battery to be dead after so much time not being driven? I'm wondering
because I want to know whether I need to have the car checked out, or if I
just need to run it periodically to maintain a charge if I'm not driving it.

Also taking into account the car is 2.5 years old, could a complete
discharge have damaged the battery or should I be OK if I get a boost and
let the engine run for about an hour to charge it? Any info would be
appreciated.

Sean

Doug McCrary

Sean D <sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:g20wf.42648$X25.1280191@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> Hi,
>
> I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was dead. It's a
> 2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2 weeks and also, I
> hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half prior to that since I took
> the bus to work. I checked all the lights and everything and nothing had
> been left on. The only drain on the battery I can think of would be the
> Honda alarm system and engine's computer. The battery was completely
> drained. Even my keyless entry wouldn't work.
>
> I'm wondering if this is a normal amount of time for a battery to die. The
> car was in a heated parking garage so I can't see excessive cold being a big
> issue. Is this something I should be concerned about or is it expected for
> the battery to be dead after so much time not being driven? I'm wondering
> because I want to know whether I need to have the car checked out, or if I
> just need to run it periodically to maintain a charge if I'm not driving it.
>
> Also taking into account the car is 2.5 years old, could a complete
> discharge have damaged the battery or should I be OK if I get a boost and
> let the engine run for about an hour to charge it? Any info would be
> appreciated.
>
> Sean
>
>
Seems a bit young for it to die, but stuff happens, especially when it's cold
(how cold was it where the car was? Inside or outside parked?)
Me, I'd go ahead and jump it and take to a parts store that does charging system
tests. See what they say, and go from there to maybe another place back to here,
depending on whether the second opinion agrees with the first.

TeGGeR®

"Sean D" <sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:g20wf.42648$X25.1280191@news20.bellglobal.com :

> Hi,
>
> I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was dead.
> It's a 2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2 weeks
> and also, I hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half prior to
> that since I took the bus to work. I checked all the lights and
> everything and nothing had been left on. The only drain on the
> battery I can think of would be the Honda alarm system and engine's
> computer. The battery was completely drained. Even my keyless entry
> wouldn't work.
>
> I'm wondering if this is a normal amount of time for a battery to die.



Not necessarily. However, if your previous driving consisted of many short
trips, you may well have drained it enough to leave insufficient reserve to
survive three weeks of idleness.

If you're ever leaving a car for a long idle period, the best thing to do
is take it for an hour's highway drive immediately before the final
shutdown. This does several things:
1) Fully charges the battery to the extent that it can be charged;
2) Burns off much of the water and fuel that will have accumulated in the
engine oil;
3) Ensures that the residual mixture in the cylinders is as lean as
possible to minimize fuel condensate on the cylinder walls.

Do you have any aftermarket accessories installed? Alarm, remote start,
stereo, etc? Improperly installed electrical devices will introduce
parasitic loads greater than that which the battery was designed to allow
for.



> The car was in a heated parking garage so I can't see excessive cold
> being a big issue. Is this something I should be concerned about or
> is it expected for the battery to be dead after so much time not being
> driven? I'm wondering because I want to know whether I need to have
> the car checked out, or if I just need to run it periodically to
> maintain a charge if I'm not driving it.
>
> Also taking into account the car is 2.5 years old, could a complete
> discharge have damaged the battery



Yes. It will have sulfated it a bit. It's best now to replace it. The
battery will probably last you another year or two, but it's now been
compromised and will not live as long as it might have if never allowed to
go flat.




> or should I be OK if I get a boost
> and let the engine run for about an hour to charge it?



Bad idea. Chargine a battery up from flat using the alternator will
overheat the alternator and will shorten its life. Remove the battery and
hook it up to a trickle charger until it's fully charged, then reinstall
it.

Alternators are battery top-up devices, not trickle-chargers.


--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Michael Pardee

"Sean D" <sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:g20wf.42648$X25.1280191@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> Hi,
>
> I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was dead. It's
> a
> 2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2 weeks and also,
> I
> hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half prior to that since I
> took
> the bus to work. I checked all the lights and everything and nothing had
> been left on. The only drain on the battery I can think of would be the
> Honda alarm system and engine's computer. The battery was completely
> drained. Even my keyless entry wouldn't work.
>
> I'm wondering if this is a normal amount of time for a battery to die.
> The
> car was in a heated parking garage so I can't see excessive cold being a
> big
> issue. Is this something I should be concerned about or is it expected
> for
> the battery to be dead after so much time not being driven? I'm wondering
> because I want to know whether I need to have the car checked out, or if I
> just need to run it periodically to maintain a charge if I'm not driving
> it.
>
> Also taking into account the car is 2.5 years old, could a complete
> discharge have damaged the battery or should I be OK if I get a boost and
> let the engine run for about an hour to charge it? Any info would be
> appreciated.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
Agreeing with everything TeGGeR said, and adding: I don't think I've ever
seen a low/no maintenance battery that was fully discharged and charged by
running the engine survive. Since it did this to you, I fully agree it is
time to replace the battery before it strands you.

Mike

Sean D

"Doug McCrary" <DougMcCrary@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:hv0wf.23272$uy3.6201@trnddc08...
>
> Sean D <sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:g20wf.42648$X25.1280191@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was dead.
It's a
> > 2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2 weeks and
also, I
> > hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half prior to that since I
took
> > the bus to work. I checked all the lights and everything and nothing
had
> > been left on. The only drain on the battery I can think of would be the
> > Honda alarm system and engine's computer. The battery was completely
> > drained. Even my keyless entry wouldn't work.
> >
> > I'm wondering if this is a normal amount of time for a battery to die.
The
> > car was in a heated parking garage so I can't see excessive cold being a
big
> > issue. Is this something I should be concerned about or is it expected
for
> > the battery to be dead after so much time not being driven? I'm
wondering
> > because I want to know whether I need to have the car checked out, or if
I
> > just need to run it periodically to maintain a charge if I'm not driving
it.
> >
> > Also taking into account the car is 2.5 years old, could a complete
> > discharge have damaged the battery or should I be OK if I get a boost
and
> > let the engine run for about an hour to charge it? Any info would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> Seems a bit young for it to die, but stuff happens, especially when it's
cold
> (how cold was it where the car was? Inside or outside parked?)
> Me, I'd go ahead and jump it and take to a parts store that does charging
system
> tests. See what they say, and go from there to maybe another place back to
here,
> depending on whether the second opinion agrees with the first.
>
>

Well for the first two years of it's life, the car was left outside and
driven daily. Winter temperatures there were frequently -20 C. The garage
where it's stored now is probably somewhere in the realm of 15 C. Right
after boosting, the battery was still dead but the battery light didn't come
on so I'm assuming my charging system is working properly. I drove the car
around for about 15 minutes and the battery seemed to have recovered some
charge but not enough to start it again. That was my own stupidity I guess.
I'll try to get another boost and let the car run for an hour to charge it.

As a precaution for this happening in the future, I was looking at one of
those 300 amp boost kits sold at Canadian Tire. Would that help me if the
battery ever dies again? Is 300 amps enough to start the car by itself or
are those things only designed to help a weak battery as opposed to a
completely dead one?

Elle

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote
> I don't think I've ever
> seen a low/no maintenance battery that was fully
discharged and charged by
> running the engine survive. Since it did this to you, I
fully agree it is
> time to replace the battery before it strands you.

Maybe I'm not understanding your words, but that seems a
little strong. In my experience, batteries bled dead by, for
one, leaving the headlights on, have lasted at least another
year. Even when these died or were replaced pre-emptively by
me, all-told they still lasted over 4 years.

Elle

"Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote
> Maybe I'm not understanding your words, but that seems a
> little strong. In my experience, batteries bled dead by,
for
> one, leaving the headlights on, have lasted at least
another
> year. Even when these died or were replaced pre-emptively
by
> me, all-told they still lasted over 4 years.

Oops. I should have added that, from my reading, using the
alternator to revive a battery (after the initial jump
start) does shorten the alternator's life.

Michael Pardee

"Sean D" <sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:YVawf.71$Pq4.16844@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> "Doug McCrary" <DougMcCrary@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:hv0wf.23272$uy3.6201@trnddc08...
>>
>> Sean D <sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:g20wf.42648$X25.1280191@news20.bellglobal.com ...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was dead.
> It's a
>> > 2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2 weeks and
> also, I
>> > hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half prior to that since I
> took
>> > the bus to work. I checked all the lights and everything and nothing
> had
>> > been left on. The only drain on the battery I can think of would be
>> > the
>> > Honda alarm system and engine's computer. The battery was completely
>> > drained. Even my keyless entry wouldn't work.
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if this is a normal amount of time for a battery to die.
> The
>> > car was in a heated parking garage so I can't see excessive cold being
>> > a
> big
>> > issue. Is this something I should be concerned about or is it expected
> for
>> > the battery to be dead after so much time not being driven? I'm
> wondering
>> > because I want to know whether I need to have the car checked out, or
>> > if
> I
>> > just need to run it periodically to maintain a charge if I'm not
>> > driving
> it.
>> >
>> > Also taking into account the car is 2.5 years old, could a complete
>> > discharge have damaged the battery or should I be OK if I get a boost
> and
>> > let the engine run for about an hour to charge it? Any info would be
>> > appreciated.
>> >
>> > Sean
>> >
>> >
>> Seems a bit young for it to die, but stuff happens, especially when it's
> cold
>> (how cold was it where the car was? Inside or outside parked?)
>> Me, I'd go ahead and jump it and take to a parts store that does charging
> system
>> tests. See what they say, and go from there to maybe another place back
>> to
> here,
>> depending on whether the second opinion agrees with the first.
>>
>>
>
> Well for the first two years of it's life, the car was left outside and
> driven daily. Winter temperatures there were frequently -20 C. The
> garage
> where it's stored now is probably somewhere in the realm of 15 C. Right
> after boosting, the battery was still dead but the battery light didn't
> come
> on so I'm assuming my charging system is working properly. I drove the
> car
> around for about 15 minutes and the battery seemed to have recovered some
> charge but not enough to start it again. That was my own stupidity I
> guess.
> I'll try to get another boost and let the car run for an hour to charge
> it.
>
> As a precaution for this happening in the future, I was looking at one of
> those 300 amp boost kits sold at Canadian Tire. Would that help me if the
> battery ever dies again? Is 300 amps enough to start the car by itself or
> are those things only designed to help a weak battery as opposed to a
> completely dead one?
>
>
300A should start the car by itself, but the boosters work best by putting
some charge in the car battery. either way, the booster will give you a good
chance of getting on the road again.

Mike

Michael Pardee

"Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Hfbwf.4613$%W1.3087@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote
>> I don't think I've ever
>> seen a low/no maintenance battery that was fully
> discharged and charged by
>> running the engine survive. Since it did this to you, I
> fully agree it is
>> time to replace the battery before it strands you.
>
> Maybe I'm not understanding your words, but that seems a
> little strong. In my experience, batteries bled dead by, for
> one, leaving the headlights on, have lasted at least another
> year. Even when these died or were replaced pre-emptively by
> me, all-told they still lasted over 4 years.
>
>
My experience may be tainted by nearly thirty years living in Phoenix.
Batteries there usually die in the summer and rarely last three years
anyway. The high charge rate that alternators provide probably couples with
the heat to cook the poor battery.

I've only lived in a "normal" climate for five years and haven't gained the
experience here that would be more typical for our readers.
(Backpedalling...)

Mike

Elle

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote
> > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote
> >> I don't think I've ever
> >> seen a low/no maintenance battery that was fully
> > discharged and charged by
> >> running the engine survive. Since it did this to you, I
> > fully agree it is
> >> time to replace the battery before it strands you.
> >
> > Maybe I'm not understanding your words, but that seems a
> > little strong. In my experience, batteries bled dead by,
for
> > one, leaving the headlights on, have lasted at least
another
> > year. Even when these died or were replaced
pre-emptively by
> > me, all-told they still lasted over 4 years.
> >
> >
> My experience may be tainted by nearly thirty years living
in Phoenix.

Fair enough. Mine is tainted by living in the Northern U.S.
What I described was from my experience there.

From my reading, I agree hot climates shorten battery lives
more than cool climates. Batteries are even designated for
one climate or the other...

No foul. :-)

Jason

In article <g20wf.42648$X25.1280191@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Sean D"
<sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was dead. It's a
> 2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2 weeks and also, I
> hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half prior to that since I took
> the bus to work. I checked all the lights and everything and nothing had
> been left on. The only drain on the battery I can think of would be the
> Honda alarm system and engine's computer. The battery was completely
> drained. Even my keyless entry wouldn't work.
>
> I'm wondering if this is a normal amount of time for a battery to die. The
> car was in a heated parking garage so I can't see excessive cold being a big
> issue. Is this something I should be concerned about or is it expected for
> the battery to be dead after so much time not being driven? I'm wondering
> because I want to know whether I need to have the car checked out, or if I
> just need to run it periodically to maintain a charge if I'm not driving it.
>
> Also taking into account the car is 2.5 years old, could a complete
> discharge have damaged the battery or should I be OK if I get a boost and
> let the engine run for about an hour to charge it? Any info would be
> appreciated.
>
> Sean

My advice would be to jump start it and drive it about 10 miles (or more)
on the freeway or interstate. Drive back to your home before you shut down
the engine for the night. If it does not start the following morning,
replace the battery.
You may want to check the newspapers for special sales on batteries.
Interstate batteries work great.

--
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"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:HbmdnXFIoOeXylzeRVn-qg@sedona.net:

> "Sean D" <sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:YVawf.71$Pq4.16844@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>
>> "Doug McCrary" <DougMcCrary@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>> news:hv0wf.23272$uy3.6201@trnddc08...
>>>
>>> Sean D <sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:g20wf.42648$X25.1280191@news20.bellglobal.com ...
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was
>>> > dead.
>> It's a
>>> > 2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2 weeks
>>> > and
>> also, I
>>> > hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half prior to that
>>> > since I
>> took
>>> > the bus to work. I checked all the lights and everything and
>>> > nothing
>> had
>>> > been left on. The only drain on the battery I can think of would
>>> > be the
>>> > Honda alarm system and engine's computer. The battery was
>>> > completely drained. Even my keyless entry wouldn't work.
>>> >
>>> > I'm wondering if this is a normal amount of time for a battery to
>>> > die.
>> The
>>> > car was in a heated parking garage so I can't see excessive cold
>>> > being a
>> big
>>> > issue. Is this something I should be concerned about or is it
>>> > expected
>> for
>>> > the battery to be dead after so much time not being driven? I'm
>> wondering
>>> > because I want to know whether I need to have the car checked out,
>>> > or if
>> I
>>> > just need to run it periodically to maintain a charge if I'm not
>>> > driving
>> it.
>>> >
>>> > Also taking into account the car is 2.5 years old, could a
>>> > complete discharge have damaged the battery or should I be OK if I
>>> > get a boost
>> and
>>> > let the engine run for about an hour to charge it? Any info would
>>> > be appreciated.
>>> >
>>> > Sean
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Seems a bit young for it to die, but stuff happens, especially when
>>> it's
>> cold
>>> (how cold was it where the car was? Inside or outside parked?)
>>> Me, I'd go ahead and jump it and take to a parts store that does
>>> charging
>> system
>>> tests. See what they say, and go from there to maybe another place
>>> back to
>> here,
>>> depending on whether the second opinion agrees with the first.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well for the first two years of it's life, the car was left outside
>> and driven daily. Winter temperatures there were frequently -20 C.
>> The garage
>> where it's stored now is probably somewhere in the realm of 15 C.
>> Right after boosting, the battery was still dead but the battery
>> light didn't come
>> on so I'm assuming my charging system is working properly. I drove
>> the car
>> around for about 15 minutes and the battery seemed to have recovered
>> some charge but not enough to start it again. That was my own
>> stupidity I guess.
>> I'll try to get another boost and let the car run for an hour to
>> charge it.
>>
>> As a precaution for this happening in the future, I was looking at
>> one of those 300 amp boost kits sold at Canadian Tire. Would that
>> help me if the battery ever dies again? Is 300 amps enough to start
>> the car by itself or are those things only designed to help a weak
>> battery as opposed to a completely dead one?
>>
>>
> 300A should start the car by itself, but the boosters work best by
> putting some charge in the car battery. either way, the booster will
> give you a good chance of getting on the road again.
>
> Mike
>
>

The problem is;the booster battery needs to be kept charged,or else it's no
good. I believe most of those "booster packs" have a 12V SLA gel cell in
them,that will discharge and sulfate just like an unused car battery.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik

jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:jason-0801061408530001@pm4-broad-29.snlo.dialup.fix.net:

> In article <g20wf.42648$X25.1280191@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Sean D"
><sdonaher@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was dead.
>> It's a 2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2
>> weeks and also, I hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half
>> prior to that since I took the bus to work. I checked all the lights
>> and everything and nothing had been left on. The only drain on the
>> battery I can think of would be the Honda alarm system and engine's
>> computer. The battery was completely drained. Even my keyless entry
>> wouldn't work.
>>
>> I'm wondering if this is a normal amount of time for a battery to
>> die. The car was in a heated parking garage so I can't see excessive
>> cold being a big issue. Is this something I should be concerned
>> about or is it expected for the battery to be dead after so much time
>> not being driven? I'm wondering because I want to know whether I
>> need to have the car checked out, or if I just need to run it
>> periodically to maintain a charge if I'm not driving it.
>>
>> Also taking into account the car is 2.5 years old, could a complete
>> discharge have damaged the battery or should I be OK if I get a boost
>> and let the engine run for about an hour to charge it? Any info
>> would be appreciated.
>>
>> Sean
>
> My advice would be to jump start it and drive it about 10 miles (or
> more) on the freeway or interstate. Drive back to your home before you
> shut down the engine for the night. If it does not start the following
> morning, replace the battery.
> You may want to check the newspapers for special sales on batteries.
> Interstate batteries work great.
>

I wonder what the electrolyte level was in that battery?
I suspect that if he were to check it,it would be low or near dry.
Many "no-maintenance" batteries still have caps to access the individual
cells.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

John Horner

Sean D wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just got back from Xmas vacation to find my car battery was dead. It's a
> 2003 4-cyl accord with 74,000 KM on it. I was away for 2 weeks and also, I
> hadn't driven the car for about a week and a half prior to that since I took
> the bus to work. I checked all the lights and everything and nothing had
> been left on. The only drain on the battery I can think of would be the
> Honda alarm system and engine's computer. The battery was completely
> drained. Even my keyless entry wouldn't work.
>

Sudden battery death seems to be common in modern vehicles and your
amount of use is reasonable for the life expectancy range. Do you live
in a place with very cold winters? These can be very hard on a battery.

Short trips are also hard on a battery. Finally, if you ever let it go
dead by leaving the lights on, etc. then restart with a jump start you
have probably taken some life off the battery.

John

John Horner

Sean D wrote:

>
> Well for the first two years of it's life, the car was left outside and
> driven daily. Winter temperatures there were frequently -20 C. The garage
> where it's stored now is probably somewhere in the realm of 15 C. Right
> after boosting, the battery was still dead but the battery light didn't come
> on so I'm assuming my charging system is working properly. I drove the car
> around for about 15 minutes and the battery seemed to have recovered some
> charge but not enough to start it again. That was my own stupidity I guess.
> I'll try to get another boost and let the car run for an hour to charge it.
>
> As a precaution for this happening in the future, I was looking at one of
> those 300 amp boost kits sold at Canadian Tire. Would that help me if the
> battery ever dies again? Is 300 amps enough to start the car by itself or
> are those things only designed to help a weak battery as opposed to a
> completely dead one?
>
>

I would get a new battery for sure. They are not expensive, and being
stuck with a dead one is no fun. In your climate and use a new battery
every 2.5 years is not unheard of.

Honda's OE batteries are nothing special. At least in the US they are
made by Johnson Controls, one of the few large battery makers still in
business. Any major brand aftermarket one will probably give as good
of service. Recent Consumer Reports testing gave high marks to the NAPA
Legend 7535, WalMart EverStart 35-3N and Autocraft (Advance Auto)
Silver 35-1 in the size 35 which I think your vehicle uses. I'm not
sure what the availability of these is outside of the US.

John