2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>
>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>
>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>
>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>> they were bad.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>
>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
>> got to love it.
>>
>
> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>
> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did the one
> failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>
Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
dealer.
Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>
>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>
>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>
>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>> they were bad.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>
>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
>> got to love it.
>>
>
> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>
> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did the one
> failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>
Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
dealer.
Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>
>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>
>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>
>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>> they were bad.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
>>> got to love it.
>>>
>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>
>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did the one
>> failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>
> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
> dealer.
>
> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>
>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>
>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>
>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>> they were bad.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
>>> got to love it.
>>>
>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>
>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did the one
>> failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>
> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
> dealer.
>
> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>
>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>
>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>
>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>> they were bad.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
>>> got to love it.
>>>
>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>
>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did the one
>> failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>
> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
> dealer.
>
> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>
>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>
>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>
>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>> they were bad.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
>>> got to love it.
>>>
>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>
>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did the one
>> failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>
> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
> dealer.
>
> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>
>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>
>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>
>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>> they were bad.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
>>> got to love it.
>>>
>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>
>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did the one
>> failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>
> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
> dealer.
>
> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>
>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing, badly.
>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or more
>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>
>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>
>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>> they were bad.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three rotors,
>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires). Progress,
>>> got to love it.
>>>
>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>
>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did the one
>> failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>
> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
> dealer.
>
> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
jim beam wrote:
> Ari Rankum wrote:
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>> badly.
>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>> more
>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>> I may
>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>> rotors,
>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>> Progress,
>>>> got to love it.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>
>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>
>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>> dealer.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>
> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
like white chalk. Phew.
They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
> Ari Rankum wrote:
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>> badly.
>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>> more
>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>> I may
>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>> rotors,
>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>> Progress,
>>>> got to love it.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>
>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>
>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>> dealer.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>
> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
like white chalk. Phew.
They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
#21
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
jim beam wrote:
> Ari Rankum wrote:
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>> badly.
>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>> more
>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>> I may
>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>> rotors,
>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>> Progress,
>>>> got to love it.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>
>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>
>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>> dealer.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>
> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
like white chalk. Phew.
They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
> Ari Rankum wrote:
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>> badly.
>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>> more
>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>> I may
>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>> rotors,
>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>> Progress,
>>>> got to love it.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>
>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>
>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>> dealer.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>
> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
like white chalk. Phew.
They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
#22
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
jim beam wrote:
> Ari Rankum wrote:
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>> badly.
>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>> more
>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>> I may
>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>> rotors,
>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>> Progress,
>>>> got to love it.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>
>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>
>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>> dealer.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>
> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
like white chalk. Phew.
They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
> Ari Rankum wrote:
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>> badly.
>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>> more
>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>> I may
>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>> rotors,
>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>> Progress,
>>>> got to love it.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>
>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>
>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>> dealer.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>
> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
like white chalk. Phew.
They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
#23
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>>> I may
>>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>>> rotors,
>>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>>> Progress,
>>>>> got to love it.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>>
>>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>>> dealer.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
>
> Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
> coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
> until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
> like white chalk. Phew.
>
> They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
> coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
> the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
good!
still confusing though - if it was just one coil, you should have gotten
a code for misfire on just that one cylinder, not all of them. can you
see if the crankshaft sensor/sender wheel is clean and in good
condition? that's the sensor that triggers the code from what i understand.
> jim beam wrote:
>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>>> I may
>>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>>> rotors,
>>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>>> Progress,
>>>>> got to love it.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>>
>>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>>> dealer.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
>
> Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
> coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
> until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
> like white chalk. Phew.
>
> They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
> coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
> the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
good!
still confusing though - if it was just one coil, you should have gotten
a code for misfire on just that one cylinder, not all of them. can you
see if the crankshaft sensor/sender wheel is clean and in good
condition? that's the sensor that triggers the code from what i understand.
#24
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>>> I may
>>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>>> rotors,
>>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>>> Progress,
>>>>> got to love it.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>>
>>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>>> dealer.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
>
> Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
> coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
> until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
> like white chalk. Phew.
>
> They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
> coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
> the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
good!
still confusing though - if it was just one coil, you should have gotten
a code for misfire on just that one cylinder, not all of them. can you
see if the crankshaft sensor/sender wheel is clean and in good
condition? that's the sensor that triggers the code from what i understand.
> jim beam wrote:
>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>>> I may
>>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>>> rotors,
>>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>>> Progress,
>>>>> got to love it.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>>
>>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>>> dealer.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
>
> Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
> coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
> until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
> like white chalk. Phew.
>
> They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
> coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
> the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
good!
still confusing though - if it was just one coil, you should have gotten
a code for misfire on just that one cylinder, not all of them. can you
see if the crankshaft sensor/sender wheel is clean and in good
condition? that's the sensor that triggers the code from what i understand.
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>>> I may
>>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>>> rotors,
>>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>>> Progress,
>>>>> got to love it.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>>
>>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>>> dealer.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
>
> Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
> coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
> until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
> like white chalk. Phew.
>
> They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
> coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
> the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
good!
still confusing though - if it was just one coil, you should have gotten
a code for misfire on just that one cylinder, not all of them. can you
see if the crankshaft sensor/sender wheel is clean and in good
condition? that's the sensor that triggers the code from what i understand.
> jim beam wrote:
>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>> "Ari Rankum" <ari_rankum@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:HyQbi.6712$xg4.2089@trnddc08...
>>>>> Ari Rankum wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 2003 Accord EX 4-cyl with M/T that is on its 6th tank of gas,
>>>>>> ever. Yes, it has only 2000 miles on it. I bought it two months ago
>>>>>> with 200 miles on the clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two days ago, on the way home from work, the car started missing,
>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>> It feels a lot like a drenched ignition system. Clearly, one or
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> cylinders is not firing. I had a prior Accord that munched its own
>>>>>> distributor, and this car is behaving a lot like that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dropped by the dealer today. He dumped the codes and said, "you're
>>>>>> missing, really badly, on all cylinders". ( I resisted the urge to
>>>>>> invoke the name of Sherlock) He didn't have time to work on it today,
>>>>>> but guessed it was "fuel". I went and pulled the plugs. They all
>>>>>> looked fine, maybe a little carbon buildup on #3 and #4. So I cleaned
>>>>>> and gapped them all. I put them back and, "no help".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard that the O2 sensor and the EGR valve are common problems on
>>>>>> the 03 Accord. But the dealer said they would have thrown a code if
>>>>>> they were bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that
>>>>>> I may
>>>>>> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
>>>>>> all cylinders and no other codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody got any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> The problem turned out to be a single failed "coil pack" - those things
>>>>> that sit on top of the spark plugs in place of a coil and distributor
>>>>> and ignition wire. Only 100 bucks to replace (the cost of three
>>>>> rotors,
>>>>> distributor caps, sets of plugs, and sets of ignition wires).
>>>>> Progress,
>>>>> got to love it.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback, Ari. It will help us with the next guy. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Was the original diagnosis of "... all cylinders" in error, or did
>>>> the one failed pack actually affect more than the one cylinder?
>>>>
>>> Good question - I asked the same one. I had two different places dump
>>> the codes, and both said mis-fires on all cylinders. I was really
>>> dubious when the tech told me it was just one coil pack. The tech
>>> admitted to being somewhat dubious himself. We jointly came up with
>>> some half-baked theory about a crankshaft sensor and O2 sensor and ECU
>>> all correcting for each other and causing other misses. I agree - it
>>> sounded like total crap, but we did both believe the one failed coil
>>> pack was at least part of the problem. So we ordered it from another
>>> dealer.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the coil pack didn't arrive until after all the techs had
>>> left for the day. So, when I came to get my car, there was my car with
>>> a bad coil pack and a shiny box with my name on it. With only a little
>>> persistence, I was able to get someone in the service department to give
>>> me a 10mm socket wrench, and I installed the new coil pack right there
>>> in the rain. Fortunately, the techs had cleared the check engine code
>>> before they left for the day, and the one bad coil pack fixed the whole
>>> deal - all cylinders firing as normal.
>> how did you know which cylinder to put it on?
>
> Heh. Another good question. I pulled the cover off and stared at the
> coil packs and had the same thought. Panic set in for milliseconds
> until I saw the "X" drawn across the top of one of them in what looked
> like white chalk. Phew.
>
> They were able to narrow it down with the car running by swapping the
> coil pack around and determining by process of elimination. They did me
> the favor of marking it before buttoning the car back up.
good!
still confusing though - if it was just one coil, you should have gotten
a code for misfire on just that one cylinder, not all of them. can you
see if the crankshaft sensor/sender wheel is clean and in good
condition? that's the sensor that triggers the code from what i understand.
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
I've seen old gasoline turn to a horrible sludge varnish yuck mix. Open
up the gas cap and have a sniff. Does it smell simply horrible?
When fuel goes really bad it takes on a terrible smell.
If you do have fuel gone bad then it is probably going to mean dropping
the fuel tank to clean it out as well as purging all the lines and
perhaps the injectors. The job could run into the thousands of dollars
at today's shop rates.
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
I've seen old gasoline turn to a horrible sludge varnish yuck mix. Open
up the gas cap and have a sniff. Does it smell simply horrible?
When fuel goes really bad it takes on a terrible smell.
If you do have fuel gone bad then it is probably going to mean dropping
the fuel tank to clean it out as well as purging all the lines and
perhaps the injectors. The job could run into the thousands of dollars
at today's shop rates.
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
I've seen old gasoline turn to a horrible sludge varnish yuck mix. Open
up the gas cap and have a sniff. Does it smell simply horrible?
When fuel goes really bad it takes on a terrible smell.
If you do have fuel gone bad then it is probably going to mean dropping
the fuel tank to clean it out as well as purging all the lines and
perhaps the injectors. The job could run into the thousands of dollars
at today's shop rates.
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
I've seen old gasoline turn to a horrible sludge varnish yuck mix. Open
up the gas cap and have a sniff. Does it smell simply horrible?
When fuel goes really bad it takes on a terrible smell.
If you do have fuel gone bad then it is probably going to mean dropping
the fuel tank to clean it out as well as purging all the lines and
perhaps the injectors. The job could run into the thousands of dollars
at today's shop rates.
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
I've seen old gasoline turn to a horrible sludge varnish yuck mix. Open
up the gas cap and have a sniff. Does it smell simply horrible?
When fuel goes really bad it takes on a terrible smell.
If you do have fuel gone bad then it is probably going to mean dropping
the fuel tank to clean it out as well as purging all the lines and
perhaps the injectors. The job could run into the thousands of dollars
at today's shop rates.
>
> I'm thinking, cuz the car was sold to me with 3-year-old gas, that I may
> have a gunked up fuel filter. That would certainly explain missing on
> all cylinders and no other codes.
>
> Anybody got any ideas?
>
I've seen old gasoline turn to a horrible sludge varnish yuck mix. Open
up the gas cap and have a sniff. Does it smell simply horrible?
When fuel goes really bad it takes on a terrible smell.
If you do have fuel gone bad then it is probably going to mean dropping
the fuel tank to clean it out as well as purging all the lines and
perhaps the injectors. The job could run into the thousands of dollars
at today's shop rates.
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jon. I picked up a can of SeaFoam on the way back from the
> dealer - so we're on the same track. I may have substantially gunked up
> the fuel filter with the first batch of gas. But I think what is in the
> tank now is okay. I was half-way through a tank of Costco gas on Friday
> when this started. I topped up the tank today and threw in a whole pint
> of SeaFoam. I was going to replace the fuel filter tomorrow (if I can
> figure out where that lives on an 03 Accord) and run some of the SeaFoam
> gas through the injectors.
I think the only fuel filter is not easily replaceable and is in the tank.
>
> Thanks, Jon. I picked up a can of SeaFoam on the way back from the
> dealer - so we're on the same track. I may have substantially gunked up
> the fuel filter with the first batch of gas. But I think what is in the
> tank now is okay. I was half-way through a tank of Costco gas on Friday
> when this started. I topped up the tank today and threw in a whole pint
> of SeaFoam. I was going to replace the fuel filter tomorrow (if I can
> figure out where that lives on an 03 Accord) and run some of the SeaFoam
> gas through the injectors.
I think the only fuel filter is not easily replaceable and is in the tank.
#30
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Re: 2003 Accord Missing on All Cylinders
Ari Rankum wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jon. I picked up a can of SeaFoam on the way back from the
> dealer - so we're on the same track. I may have substantially gunked up
> the fuel filter with the first batch of gas. But I think what is in the
> tank now is okay. I was half-way through a tank of Costco gas on Friday
> when this started. I topped up the tank today and threw in a whole pint
> of SeaFoam. I was going to replace the fuel filter tomorrow (if I can
> figure out where that lives on an 03 Accord) and run some of the SeaFoam
> gas through the injectors.
I think the only fuel filter is not easily replaceable and is in the tank.
>
> Thanks, Jon. I picked up a can of SeaFoam on the way back from the
> dealer - so we're on the same track. I may have substantially gunked up
> the fuel filter with the first batch of gas. But I think what is in the
> tank now is okay. I was half-way through a tank of Costco gas on Friday
> when this started. I topped up the tank today and threw in a whole pint
> of SeaFoam. I was going to replace the fuel filter tomorrow (if I can
> figure out where that lives on an 03 Accord) and run some of the SeaFoam
> gas through the injectors.
I think the only fuel filter is not easily replaceable and is in the tank.