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Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <BB921F50.15D8D%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote: > On 9/20/03 10:54 AM, in article > billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2...dialup.fix.net, "Bill B. > Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote: > > > In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee" > > <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > >> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > >> > >> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > >> roads n stuff. > >> > >> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > > > If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the > > oil changed every 12 months. > > > > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and > > filter every 3000 miles. > > > > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years. > > > > Change the coolant every two years. > > > Huh? Where do you get this stuff? It sounds like you're reading advice > from Smokey in a Popular Science from about 1970. > > I would really like to see some actual data that shows a reduction in a > modern car's usable life that was caused by following the manufacturer's > published maintenance schedule. How about it? Anybody? Didn't think so. You are right. I don't have any data from some magazine or owner's manual. I just know some basic facts about fluids used in vehicles. I once changed my oil and transmission fluid on a regular basis. I admit that I have never changed brake fluid and have hired mechanics to do that chore. I closely examined the fluids and found metal fragments and other stuff that I could not identify in those fluids. I recall reading (I don't remember the source) that those metal fragments can cause damage to various engine parts. That's why I follow the conservative mait. schedule mentioned above. You can do what you like. If you only plan to keep a new vehicle three years or less--it's okay to follow the maint. schedule in the owner's manual. I plan to keep my Honda Accord 5 or more years. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <BB921F50.15D8D%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote: > On 9/20/03 10:54 AM, in article > billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2...dialup.fix.net, "Bill B. > Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote: > > > In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee" > > <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > >> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > >> > >> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > >> roads n stuff. > >> > >> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > > > If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the > > oil changed every 12 months. > > > > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and > > filter every 3000 miles. > > > > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years. > > > > Change the coolant every two years. > > > Huh? Where do you get this stuff? It sounds like you're reading advice > from Smokey in a Popular Science from about 1970. > > I would really like to see some actual data that shows a reduction in a > modern car's usable life that was caused by following the manufacturer's > published maintenance schedule. How about it? Anybody? Didn't think so. You are right. I don't have any data from some magazine or owner's manual. I just know some basic facts about fluids used in vehicles. I once changed my oil and transmission fluid on a regular basis. I admit that I have never changed brake fluid and have hired mechanics to do that chore. I closely examined the fluids and found metal fragments and other stuff that I could not identify in those fluids. I recall reading (I don't remember the source) that those metal fragments can cause damage to various engine parts. That's why I follow the conservative mait. schedule mentioned above. You can do what you like. If you only plan to keep a new vehicle three years or less--it's okay to follow the maint. schedule in the owner's manual. I plan to keep my Honda Accord 5 or more years. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <BB921F50.15D8D%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote: > On 9/20/03 10:54 AM, in article > billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2...dialup.fix.net, "Bill B. > Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote: > > > In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee" > > <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > >> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > >> > >> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > >> roads n stuff. > >> > >> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > > > If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the > > oil changed every 12 months. > > > > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and > > filter every 3000 miles. > > > > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years. > > > > Change the coolant every two years. > > > Huh? Where do you get this stuff? It sounds like you're reading advice > from Smokey in a Popular Science from about 1970. > > I would really like to see some actual data that shows a reduction in a > modern car's usable life that was caused by following the manufacturer's > published maintenance schedule. How about it? Anybody? Didn't think so. You are right. I don't have any data from some magazine or owner's manual. I just know some basic facts about fluids used in vehicles. I once changed my oil and transmission fluid on a regular basis. I admit that I have never changed brake fluid and have hired mechanics to do that chore. I closely examined the fluids and found metal fragments and other stuff that I could not identify in those fluids. I recall reading (I don't remember the source) that those metal fragments can cause damage to various engine parts. That's why I follow the conservative mait. schedule mentioned above. You can do what you like. If you only plan to keep a new vehicle three years or less--it's okay to follow the maint. schedule in the owner's manual. I plan to keep my Honda Accord 5 or more years. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago.
They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your money and the environment and change your oil once a year! "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > roads n stuff. > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago.
They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your money and the environment and change your oil once a year! "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > roads n stuff. > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago.
They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your money and the environment and change your oil once a year! "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > roads n stuff. > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
On 9/28/2003 6:37 AM Nino Nospam spake these words of knowledge:
> "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... >> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal >> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. >> >> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty >> roads n stuff. >> >> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. > They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check > for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. > Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made > little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no > significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised > name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really > necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme > climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & > automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your > money and the environment and change your oil once a year! > > What they found was that there were not significant differences in the wear of the engines when the oil was changed at 3000 mile intervals vs. 6000 mile intervals. For some small percentage of people, this may translate into a year's driving, but damn few. Also, the Consumer Reports study didn't test and didn't show the condition of the oil as a result of natural exposure to oxidation and chemical reaction over the course of a year; NYC cabs do 6000 miles in a matter of weeks. Your conclusion is unwarranted, and gives fuel to others in this forum who don't wish to understand the format and composure of Consumer Reports testing processes. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
On 9/28/2003 6:37 AM Nino Nospam spake these words of knowledge:
> "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... >> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal >> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. >> >> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty >> roads n stuff. >> >> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. > They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check > for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. > Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made > little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no > significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised > name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really > necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme > climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & > automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your > money and the environment and change your oil once a year! > > What they found was that there were not significant differences in the wear of the engines when the oil was changed at 3000 mile intervals vs. 6000 mile intervals. For some small percentage of people, this may translate into a year's driving, but damn few. Also, the Consumer Reports study didn't test and didn't show the condition of the oil as a result of natural exposure to oxidation and chemical reaction over the course of a year; NYC cabs do 6000 miles in a matter of weeks. Your conclusion is unwarranted, and gives fuel to others in this forum who don't wish to understand the format and composure of Consumer Reports testing processes. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
On 9/28/2003 6:37 AM Nino Nospam spake these words of knowledge:
> "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... >> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal >> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. >> >> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty >> roads n stuff. >> >> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. > They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check > for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. > Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made > little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no > significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised > name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really > necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme > climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & > automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your > money and the environment and change your oil once a year! > > What they found was that there were not significant differences in the wear of the engines when the oil was changed at 3000 mile intervals vs. 6000 mile intervals. For some small percentage of people, this may translate into a year's driving, but damn few. Also, the Consumer Reports study didn't test and didn't show the condition of the oil as a result of natural exposure to oxidation and chemical reaction over the course of a year; NYC cabs do 6000 miles in a matter of weeks. Your conclusion is unwarranted, and gives fuel to others in this forum who don't wish to understand the format and composure of Consumer Reports testing processes. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> wrote in message news:WxAdb.40216$Ci5.1043533@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... > What they found was that there were not significant differences in the > wear of the engines when the oil was changed at 3000 mile intervals vs. > 6000 mile intervals. > > For some small percentage of people, this may translate into a year's > driving, but damn few. > > Also, the Consumer Reports study didn't test and didn't show the > condition of the oil as a result of natural exposure to oxidation and > chemical reaction over the course of a year; NYC cabs do 6000 miles in a > matter of weeks. And they sure as hell don't do *that* kind of mileage with a lot of cold starts! |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> wrote in message news:WxAdb.40216$Ci5.1043533@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... > What they found was that there were not significant differences in the > wear of the engines when the oil was changed at 3000 mile intervals vs. > 6000 mile intervals. > > For some small percentage of people, this may translate into a year's > driving, but damn few. > > Also, the Consumer Reports study didn't test and didn't show the > condition of the oil as a result of natural exposure to oxidation and > chemical reaction over the course of a year; NYC cabs do 6000 miles in a > matter of weeks. And they sure as hell don't do *that* kind of mileage with a lot of cold starts! |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"Dave Kelsen" <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> wrote in message news:WxAdb.40216$Ci5.1043533@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... > What they found was that there were not significant differences in the > wear of the engines when the oil was changed at 3000 mile intervals vs. > 6000 mile intervals. > > For some small percentage of people, this may translate into a year's > driving, but damn few. > > Also, the Consumer Reports study didn't test and didn't show the > condition of the oil as a result of natural exposure to oxidation and > chemical reaction over the course of a year; NYC cabs do 6000 miles in a > matter of weeks. And they sure as hell don't do *that* kind of mileage with a lot of cold starts! |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"Nino Nospam" <NOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:MJzdb.26990$O85.19520@pd7tw1no... > Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. > They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check > for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. > Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made > little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no > significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised > name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really > necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme > climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & > automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your > money and the environment and change your oil once a year! This test by Consumers Reports is inherently flawed. The taxi cabs are never shut down except for maintenance,and run 24/7 ,there by maintaining constant engine temperature so that no acids and h2o can develop in the engine oil. A more comprehensive and true test would have been to use commuter cars that are started up twice a day in all kinds of weather , winter and summer and then come back with a report. We all know that 95% of engine wear occurs on COLD start-up. and by cold I mean as cold as -30*F here in sourthern Ontario, in the winter. This would have been a much more honest test of everyday driving conditions. I consider the Consumers Report Test on taxi cabs to be nothing more than smoke and mirrors, for whatever reason. ed/ontario |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"Nino Nospam" <NOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:MJzdb.26990$O85.19520@pd7tw1no... > Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. > They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check > for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. > Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made > little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no > significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised > name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really > necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme > climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & > automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your > money and the environment and change your oil once a year! This test by Consumers Reports is inherently flawed. The taxi cabs are never shut down except for maintenance,and run 24/7 ,there by maintaining constant engine temperature so that no acids and h2o can develop in the engine oil. A more comprehensive and true test would have been to use commuter cars that are started up twice a day in all kinds of weather , winter and summer and then come back with a report. We all know that 95% of engine wear occurs on COLD start-up. and by cold I mean as cold as -30*F here in sourthern Ontario, in the winter. This would have been a much more honest test of everyday driving conditions. I consider the Consumers Report Test on taxi cabs to be nothing more than smoke and mirrors, for whatever reason. ed/ontario |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"Nino Nospam" <NOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:MJzdb.26990$O85.19520@pd7tw1no... > Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. > They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check > for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. > Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made > little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no > significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised > name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really > necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme > climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & > automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your > money and the environment and change your oil once a year! This test by Consumers Reports is inherently flawed. The taxi cabs are never shut down except for maintenance,and run 24/7 ,there by maintaining constant engine temperature so that no acids and h2o can develop in the engine oil. A more comprehensive and true test would have been to use commuter cars that are started up twice a day in all kinds of weather , winter and summer and then come back with a report. We all know that 95% of engine wear occurs on COLD start-up. and by cold I mean as cold as -30*F here in sourthern Ontario, in the winter. This would have been a much more honest test of everyday driving conditions. I consider the Consumers Report Test on taxi cabs to be nothing more than smoke and mirrors, for whatever reason. ed/ontario |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
On 9/28/2003 8:35 AM xxxxxxxx spake these words of knowledge:
> "Nino Nospam" <NOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:MJzdb.26990$O85.19520@pd7tw1no... >> Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. >> They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check >> for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. >> Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils > made >> little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no >> significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised >> name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really >> necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme >> climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & >> automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save > your >> money and the environment and change your oil once a year! > > This test by Consumers Reports is inherently flawed. > > The taxi cabs are never shut down except for maintenance,and run 24/7 ,there > by maintaining constant engine temperature so that no acids and h2o can > develop in the engine oil. Nonsense. Although many cabs run 14-16 hours per day, virtually no one drives 24/7, even cabbies in NYC. Use a bit of common sense. Nor were they doing so for the Consumer Reports testing. This test was not flawed, by the way. It didn't test or address every aspect of lubrication and maintenance, but it wasn't intended to. > A more comprehensive and true test would have been to use commuter cars that > are started up twice a day in all kinds of weather , winter and summer and > then come back with a report. And people would have pointed out that stop-and-go traffic is very hard on engines and would make a better test. Not necessarily so, of course. The cars were not run 24/7, but were used by actually cabbies in the execution of their normal duties. I do not recall the time frame of the test, but it seems to me that it covered at least 50,000 miles. This would quite possibly have included a fair variety of weather patterns. > We all know that 95% of engine wear occurs on COLD start-up. and by cold I > mean as cold as -30*F here in sourthern Ontario, in the winter. Actually, we don't all know that. This is probably true for those drivers who take mostly short trips, like going to work from homes not too far away - and this may be a majority of drivers. > > This would have been a much more honest test of everyday driving conditions. Not for cabbies. For me, for example, a different test would have been more applicable, as I drive 80 miles each way to work, each day. Not the stress and strain of starting and stopping, sudden acceleration and braking of the cabs, but also not the 5 mile trip to the office. Again, the test was not comprehensive. Neither was it dishonest. > I consider the Consumers Report Test on taxi cabs to be nothing more than > smoke and mirrors, for whatever reason. Like Nino, you have chosen to draw conclusions not based on the facts - "for whatever reason". Your choice, of course. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
On 9/28/2003 8:35 AM xxxxxxxx spake these words of knowledge:
> "Nino Nospam" <NOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:MJzdb.26990$O85.19520@pd7tw1no... >> Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. >> They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check >> for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. >> Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils > made >> little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no >> significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised >> name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really >> necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme >> climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & >> automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save > your >> money and the environment and change your oil once a year! > > This test by Consumers Reports is inherently flawed. > > The taxi cabs are never shut down except for maintenance,and run 24/7 ,there > by maintaining constant engine temperature so that no acids and h2o can > develop in the engine oil. Nonsense. Although many cabs run 14-16 hours per day, virtually no one drives 24/7, even cabbies in NYC. Use a bit of common sense. Nor were they doing so for the Consumer Reports testing. This test was not flawed, by the way. It didn't test or address every aspect of lubrication and maintenance, but it wasn't intended to. > A more comprehensive and true test would have been to use commuter cars that > are started up twice a day in all kinds of weather , winter and summer and > then come back with a report. And people would have pointed out that stop-and-go traffic is very hard on engines and would make a better test. Not necessarily so, of course. The cars were not run 24/7, but were used by actually cabbies in the execution of their normal duties. I do not recall the time frame of the test, but it seems to me that it covered at least 50,000 miles. This would quite possibly have included a fair variety of weather patterns. > We all know that 95% of engine wear occurs on COLD start-up. and by cold I > mean as cold as -30*F here in sourthern Ontario, in the winter. Actually, we don't all know that. This is probably true for those drivers who take mostly short trips, like going to work from homes not too far away - and this may be a majority of drivers. > > This would have been a much more honest test of everyday driving conditions. Not for cabbies. For me, for example, a different test would have been more applicable, as I drive 80 miles each way to work, each day. Not the stress and strain of starting and stopping, sudden acceleration and braking of the cabs, but also not the 5 mile trip to the office. Again, the test was not comprehensive. Neither was it dishonest. > I consider the Consumers Report Test on taxi cabs to be nothing more than > smoke and mirrors, for whatever reason. Like Nino, you have chosen to draw conclusions not based on the facts - "for whatever reason". Your choice, of course. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
On 9/28/2003 8:35 AM xxxxxxxx spake these words of knowledge:
> "Nino Nospam" <NOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:MJzdb.26990$O85.19520@pd7tw1no... >> Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. >> They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check >> for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. >> Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils > made >> little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no >> significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised >> name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really >> necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme >> climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & >> automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save > your >> money and the environment and change your oil once a year! > > This test by Consumers Reports is inherently flawed. > > The taxi cabs are never shut down except for maintenance,and run 24/7 ,there > by maintaining constant engine temperature so that no acids and h2o can > develop in the engine oil. Nonsense. Although many cabs run 14-16 hours per day, virtually no one drives 24/7, even cabbies in NYC. Use a bit of common sense. Nor were they doing so for the Consumer Reports testing. This test was not flawed, by the way. It didn't test or address every aspect of lubrication and maintenance, but it wasn't intended to. > A more comprehensive and true test would have been to use commuter cars that > are started up twice a day in all kinds of weather , winter and summer and > then come back with a report. And people would have pointed out that stop-and-go traffic is very hard on engines and would make a better test. Not necessarily so, of course. The cars were not run 24/7, but were used by actually cabbies in the execution of their normal duties. I do not recall the time frame of the test, but it seems to me that it covered at least 50,000 miles. This would quite possibly have included a fair variety of weather patterns. > We all know that 95% of engine wear occurs on COLD start-up. and by cold I > mean as cold as -30*F here in sourthern Ontario, in the winter. Actually, we don't all know that. This is probably true for those drivers who take mostly short trips, like going to work from homes not too far away - and this may be a majority of drivers. > > This would have been a much more honest test of everyday driving conditions. Not for cabbies. For me, for example, a different test would have been more applicable, as I drive 80 miles each way to work, each day. Not the stress and strain of starting and stopping, sudden acceleration and braking of the cabs, but also not the 5 mile trip to the office. Again, the test was not comprehensive. Neither was it dishonest. > I consider the Consumers Report Test on taxi cabs to be nothing more than > smoke and mirrors, for whatever reason. Like Nino, you have chosen to draw conclusions not based on the facts - "for whatever reason". Your choice, of course. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer
Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no benefit from changing the oil Every 3000 miles rather than every 6000 miles. . . we don't recommend leaving any oil, synthetic or regular, in an engine for 12,000 miles, because an accumulation contaminants-solids, acids, fuels, and water-could eventually harm the engine." I think the study is scientifically accurate, and Consumer Reports went to great lengths to do the tests-after all, their credibility is at stake! This is what they did: ". . .For consistency, we used only 1992-93 Chevrolet Caprice Cabs. Each received a precisely rebuilt 4.3 liter V6 at the beginning of its 60000 mile test. . .a local shop completely machined each engine block and crankshaft, rebuilt the cylinder heads, and installed new bearings, pistons, rings seals, gaskets and oil pump. . .Over the next 22 months, our engineers paid more than 100 calls. . .they dropped off test oils and picked up used-oil samples for ongoing analysis. They also made sure the oil was being added to the engines when necessary and changed as scheduled. After the 60,000-mile test, we remeasured the key engine parts. We also examined combustion-chamber deposits, the color of valves, scoring cylinder walls, and valve deck deposits for any sign of engine problems." Wake up consumers, no one else has done an extensive study like this! Oil companies , garages and auto manufacturers couldn't care less! I know many mechanics that didn't even know of the study or even cared to read it. They're still caught up in oldwives tales. It's time to rethink this! As a consumer you have a right to protect your pocketbook against unscrupulous oil manufactures, oil retailers, garages, etc. The truth is out there! Go seek it! "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > roads n stuff. > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer
Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no benefit from changing the oil Every 3000 miles rather than every 6000 miles. . . we don't recommend leaving any oil, synthetic or regular, in an engine for 12,000 miles, because an accumulation contaminants-solids, acids, fuels, and water-could eventually harm the engine." I think the study is scientifically accurate, and Consumer Reports went to great lengths to do the tests-after all, their credibility is at stake! This is what they did: ". . .For consistency, we used only 1992-93 Chevrolet Caprice Cabs. Each received a precisely rebuilt 4.3 liter V6 at the beginning of its 60000 mile test. . .a local shop completely machined each engine block and crankshaft, rebuilt the cylinder heads, and installed new bearings, pistons, rings seals, gaskets and oil pump. . .Over the next 22 months, our engineers paid more than 100 calls. . .they dropped off test oils and picked up used-oil samples for ongoing analysis. They also made sure the oil was being added to the engines when necessary and changed as scheduled. After the 60,000-mile test, we remeasured the key engine parts. We also examined combustion-chamber deposits, the color of valves, scoring cylinder walls, and valve deck deposits for any sign of engine problems." Wake up consumers, no one else has done an extensive study like this! Oil companies , garages and auto manufacturers couldn't care less! I know many mechanics that didn't even know of the study or even cared to read it. They're still caught up in oldwives tales. It's time to rethink this! As a consumer you have a right to protect your pocketbook against unscrupulous oil manufactures, oil retailers, garages, etc. The truth is out there! Go seek it! "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > roads n stuff. > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer
Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no benefit from changing the oil Every 3000 miles rather than every 6000 miles. . . we don't recommend leaving any oil, synthetic or regular, in an engine for 12,000 miles, because an accumulation contaminants-solids, acids, fuels, and water-could eventually harm the engine." I think the study is scientifically accurate, and Consumer Reports went to great lengths to do the tests-after all, their credibility is at stake! This is what they did: ". . .For consistency, we used only 1992-93 Chevrolet Caprice Cabs. Each received a precisely rebuilt 4.3 liter V6 at the beginning of its 60000 mile test. . .a local shop completely machined each engine block and crankshaft, rebuilt the cylinder heads, and installed new bearings, pistons, rings seals, gaskets and oil pump. . .Over the next 22 months, our engineers paid more than 100 calls. . .they dropped off test oils and picked up used-oil samples for ongoing analysis. They also made sure the oil was being added to the engines when necessary and changed as scheduled. After the 60,000-mile test, we remeasured the key engine parts. We also examined combustion-chamber deposits, the color of valves, scoring cylinder walls, and valve deck deposits for any sign of engine problems." Wake up consumers, no one else has done an extensive study like this! Oil companies , garages and auto manufacturers couldn't care less! I know many mechanics that didn't even know of the study or even cared to read it. They're still caught up in oldwives tales. It's time to rethink this! As a consumer you have a right to protect your pocketbook against unscrupulous oil manufactures, oil retailers, garages, etc. The truth is out there! Go seek it! "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > roads n stuff. > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Valid only for taxicabs operating in New York City under the
specified conditions with the specified engines. Boston, Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Toronto exhibit more extremes in climate (e.g. cold starts) than New York City. How about taxi cabs in Houston, TX? I would tend to agree with Consumer Report's conclusions but even synthetic oils have improved a lot since that report was done seven years ago. Follow manufacturer's warranty advice and A.P.I./MilSpec standards. Your manufacturer validates your warranty, not C.U. Out-of-warranty .. . its your gambit. I have a '90 Acura and an '85 Buick LeSabre that go 6,000 miles between changes regardless of time .. . on synthetic oil only. "Harvey Loria" <Harvey.Loria@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:s%Ddb.39387$TM4.5169@pd7tw2no... > Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer > Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern > motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . > > Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no > benefit from changing the oil > > Every 3000 miles rather than every 6000 miles. . . we don't recommend > leaving any oil, synthetic or regular, in an engine for 12,000 miles, > because an accumulation contaminants-solids, acids, fuels, and water-could > eventually harm the engine." I think the study is scientifically accurate, > and Consumer Reports went to great lengths to do the tests-after all, their > credibility is at stake! This is what they did: > > ". . .For consistency, we used only 1992-93 Chevrolet Caprice Cabs. Each > received a precisely rebuilt 4.3 liter V6 at the beginning of its 60000 mile > test. . .a local shop completely machined each engine block and crankshaft, > rebuilt the cylinder heads, and installed new bearings, pistons, rings > seals, gaskets and oil pump. . .Over the next 22 months, our engineers paid > more than 100 calls. . .they dropped off test oils and picked up used-oil > samples for ongoing analysis. They also made sure the oil was being added > to the engines when necessary and changed as scheduled. After the > 60,000-mile test, we remeasured the key engine parts. We also examined > combustion-chamber deposits, the color of valves, scoring cylinder walls, > and valve deck deposits for any sign of engine problems." Wake up > consumers, no one else has done an extensive study like this! Oil companies > , garages and auto manufacturers couldn't care less! I know many mechanics > that didn't even know of the study or even cared to read it. They're still > caught up in oldwives tales. It's time to rethink this! As a consumer you > have a right to protect your pocketbook against unscrupulous oil > manufactures, oil retailers, garages, etc. The truth is out there! Go seek > it! > > > > > > "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > > roads n stuff. > > > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > > > > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Valid only for taxicabs operating in New York City under the
specified conditions with the specified engines. Boston, Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Toronto exhibit more extremes in climate (e.g. cold starts) than New York City. How about taxi cabs in Houston, TX? I would tend to agree with Consumer Report's conclusions but even synthetic oils have improved a lot since that report was done seven years ago. Follow manufacturer's warranty advice and A.P.I./MilSpec standards. Your manufacturer validates your warranty, not C.U. Out-of-warranty .. . its your gambit. I have a '90 Acura and an '85 Buick LeSabre that go 6,000 miles between changes regardless of time .. . on synthetic oil only. "Harvey Loria" <Harvey.Loria@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:s%Ddb.39387$TM4.5169@pd7tw2no... > Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer > Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern > motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . > > Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no > benefit from changing the oil > > Every 3000 miles rather than every 6000 miles. . . we don't recommend > leaving any oil, synthetic or regular, in an engine for 12,000 miles, > because an accumulation contaminants-solids, acids, fuels, and water-could > eventually harm the engine." I think the study is scientifically accurate, > and Consumer Reports went to great lengths to do the tests-after all, their > credibility is at stake! This is what they did: > > ". . .For consistency, we used only 1992-93 Chevrolet Caprice Cabs. Each > received a precisely rebuilt 4.3 liter V6 at the beginning of its 60000 mile > test. . .a local shop completely machined each engine block and crankshaft, > rebuilt the cylinder heads, and installed new bearings, pistons, rings > seals, gaskets and oil pump. . .Over the next 22 months, our engineers paid > more than 100 calls. . .they dropped off test oils and picked up used-oil > samples for ongoing analysis. They also made sure the oil was being added > to the engines when necessary and changed as scheduled. After the > 60,000-mile test, we remeasured the key engine parts. We also examined > combustion-chamber deposits, the color of valves, scoring cylinder walls, > and valve deck deposits for any sign of engine problems." Wake up > consumers, no one else has done an extensive study like this! Oil companies > , garages and auto manufacturers couldn't care less! I know many mechanics > that didn't even know of the study or even cared to read it. They're still > caught up in oldwives tales. It's time to rethink this! As a consumer you > have a right to protect your pocketbook against unscrupulous oil > manufactures, oil retailers, garages, etc. The truth is out there! Go seek > it! > > > > > > "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > > roads n stuff. > > > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > > > > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Valid only for taxicabs operating in New York City under the
specified conditions with the specified engines. Boston, Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Toronto exhibit more extremes in climate (e.g. cold starts) than New York City. How about taxi cabs in Houston, TX? I would tend to agree with Consumer Report's conclusions but even synthetic oils have improved a lot since that report was done seven years ago. Follow manufacturer's warranty advice and A.P.I./MilSpec standards. Your manufacturer validates your warranty, not C.U. Out-of-warranty .. . its your gambit. I have a '90 Acura and an '85 Buick LeSabre that go 6,000 miles between changes regardless of time .. . on synthetic oil only. "Harvey Loria" <Harvey.Loria@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:s%Ddb.39387$TM4.5169@pd7tw2no... > Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer > Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern > motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . > > Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no > benefit from changing the oil > > Every 3000 miles rather than every 6000 miles. . . we don't recommend > leaving any oil, synthetic or regular, in an engine for 12,000 miles, > because an accumulation contaminants-solids, acids, fuels, and water-could > eventually harm the engine." I think the study is scientifically accurate, > and Consumer Reports went to great lengths to do the tests-after all, their > credibility is at stake! This is what they did: > > ". . .For consistency, we used only 1992-93 Chevrolet Caprice Cabs. Each > received a precisely rebuilt 4.3 liter V6 at the beginning of its 60000 mile > test. . .a local shop completely machined each engine block and crankshaft, > rebuilt the cylinder heads, and installed new bearings, pistons, rings > seals, gaskets and oil pump. . .Over the next 22 months, our engineers paid > more than 100 calls. . .they dropped off test oils and picked up used-oil > samples for ongoing analysis. They also made sure the oil was being added > to the engines when necessary and changed as scheduled. After the > 60,000-mile test, we remeasured the key engine parts. We also examined > combustion-chamber deposits, the color of valves, scoring cylinder walls, > and valve deck deposits for any sign of engine problems." Wake up > consumers, no one else has done an extensive study like this! Oil companies > , garages and auto manufacturers couldn't care less! I know many mechanics > that didn't even know of the study or even cared to read it. They're still > caught up in oldwives tales. It's time to rethink this! As a consumer you > have a right to protect your pocketbook against unscrupulous oil > manufactures, oil retailers, garages, etc. The truth is out there! Go seek > it! > > > > > > "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > > roads n stuff. > > > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > > > > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
I can't resist anecdotal input. I understand that one case doesn't
prove anything, but here goes. My father gave me his old 1962 Studebaker Lark V6 Wagon in 1969. It had perhaps 80,000 miles and was literally falling apart from rusting. (Remember the days when after about 5 years there wasn't much left of cars?) Anyway, after the installation of a new floor, I drove the car for another several years, at which point it had about 140,000. Still ran great. I was in my college years, broke, and never did any maintenance. I just put in gas and oil and hoped for the best. Finally, one day I decided to change the oil. I took it to a local shop and they reported fairly startling news. There was no oil filter. Their book suggested that sometime in 1962 Studebaker switched from a canister type filter on the top of the engine to the now familiar spin-on filter on the side. There were screw plugs in the channels from the engine on top, but there wasn't any filter on the side. There just wasn't a filter. So we changed the oil and the last I saw of the car was when a friend bought from me and moved out of state when the car had about 160,000. It was still running great. go figure. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
I can't resist anecdotal input. I understand that one case doesn't
prove anything, but here goes. My father gave me his old 1962 Studebaker Lark V6 Wagon in 1969. It had perhaps 80,000 miles and was literally falling apart from rusting. (Remember the days when after about 5 years there wasn't much left of cars?) Anyway, after the installation of a new floor, I drove the car for another several years, at which point it had about 140,000. Still ran great. I was in my college years, broke, and never did any maintenance. I just put in gas and oil and hoped for the best. Finally, one day I decided to change the oil. I took it to a local shop and they reported fairly startling news. There was no oil filter. Their book suggested that sometime in 1962 Studebaker switched from a canister type filter on the top of the engine to the now familiar spin-on filter on the side. There were screw plugs in the channels from the engine on top, but there wasn't any filter on the side. There just wasn't a filter. So we changed the oil and the last I saw of the car was when a friend bought from me and moved out of state when the car had about 160,000. It was still running great. go figure. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
I can't resist anecdotal input. I understand that one case doesn't
prove anything, but here goes. My father gave me his old 1962 Studebaker Lark V6 Wagon in 1969. It had perhaps 80,000 miles and was literally falling apart from rusting. (Remember the days when after about 5 years there wasn't much left of cars?) Anyway, after the installation of a new floor, I drove the car for another several years, at which point it had about 140,000. Still ran great. I was in my college years, broke, and never did any maintenance. I just put in gas and oil and hoped for the best. Finally, one day I decided to change the oil. I took it to a local shop and they reported fairly startling news. There was no oil filter. Their book suggested that sometime in 1962 Studebaker switched from a canister type filter on the top of the engine to the now familiar spin-on filter on the side. There were screw plugs in the channels from the engine on top, but there wasn't any filter on the side. There just wasn't a filter. So we changed the oil and the last I saw of the car was when a friend bought from me and moved out of state when the car had about 160,000. It was still running great. go figure. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Pay me now or pay me later that's the bottom line. Is it worth saving a few
bucks to gamble on extended oil changes? As a mechanic I think more in terms of mileage not time. Six months or 7500 miles is as far as I would push any automobile. Synthetic Oil is superior by not a necessity, but in your case I would advise you to use only synthetic oil. My two cents "Nino Nospam" <NOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:MJzdb.26990$O85.19520@pd7tw1no... > Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. > They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check > for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. > Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made > little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no > significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised > name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really > necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme > climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & > automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your > money and the environment and change your oil once a year! > > > "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > > roads n stuff. > > > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > > > > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Pay me now or pay me later that's the bottom line. Is it worth saving a few
bucks to gamble on extended oil changes? As a mechanic I think more in terms of mileage not time. Six months or 7500 miles is as far as I would push any automobile. Synthetic Oil is superior by not a necessity, but in your case I would advise you to use only synthetic oil. My two cents "Nino Nospam" <NOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:MJzdb.26990$O85.19520@pd7tw1no... > Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. > They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check > for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. > Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made > little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no > significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised > name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really > necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme > climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & > automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your > money and the environment and change your oil once a year! > > > "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > > roads n stuff. > > > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > > > > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Pay me now or pay me later that's the bottom line. Is it worth saving a few
bucks to gamble on extended oil changes? As a mechanic I think more in terms of mileage not time. Six months or 7500 miles is as far as I would push any automobile. Synthetic Oil is superior by not a necessity, but in your case I would advise you to use only synthetic oil. My two cents "Nino Nospam" <NOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:MJzdb.26990$O85.19520@pd7tw1no... > Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago. > They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check > for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands. > Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made > little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no > significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised > name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really > necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme > climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil & > automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your > money and the environment and change your oil once a year! > > > "bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca... > > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal > > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances. > > > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > > roads n stuff. > > > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days? > > > > > > |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >,
"bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > roads n stuff. No, actually "extreme" in oil change speak means anything but a steady diet of freeway driving. Which means everyone should use the "extreme" schedule for oil changes. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >,
"bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > roads n stuff. No, actually "extreme" in oil change speak means anything but a steady diet of freeway driving. Which means everyone should use the "extreme" schedule for oil changes. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >,
"bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty > roads n stuff. No, actually "extreme" in oil change speak means anything but a steady diet of freeway driving. Which means everyone should use the "extreme" schedule for oil changes. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <s%Ddb.39387$TM4.5169@pd7tw2no>,
"Harvey Loria" <Harvey.Loria@shaw.ca> wrote: > Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer > Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern > motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . > > Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no > benefit from changing the oil I didn't think much of this study. A NYC taxi is turned off oh, maybe once a day when they fuel it, so they won't blow up the filling station with static from the car. It doesn't have a chance to accumulate water in the oil, because the oil never cools. Jim Mowreader's Accord is started early in the morning, driven ten miles, shut down for nine hours, restarted, driven ten miles, shut down for an hour and a half, restarted and driven three miles, shut down for six hours...you get the idea. Lots of stop-and-go, lots of idle time. And they picked a car that is fairly easy on its oil--one with a big V-6. If I was designing the test, I wouldn't have used NYC cabs. I'd have used Geo Metros (they have 1-litre 3-cylinder engines), and run the test in Missoula, Montana, which is for Montana an urban area. Lots of stop-and-go, plenty of "get on the Interstate and drive flat out" activity, and a much harsher test of the oil. Either that, or use motorcycles--their engine oil lubricates the gearbox too, hence the viscosity improvers get a real torture test as they're run through the heavy gearing. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <s%Ddb.39387$TM4.5169@pd7tw2no>,
"Harvey Loria" <Harvey.Loria@shaw.ca> wrote: > Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer > Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern > motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . > > Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no > benefit from changing the oil I didn't think much of this study. A NYC taxi is turned off oh, maybe once a day when they fuel it, so they won't blow up the filling station with static from the car. It doesn't have a chance to accumulate water in the oil, because the oil never cools. Jim Mowreader's Accord is started early in the morning, driven ten miles, shut down for nine hours, restarted, driven ten miles, shut down for an hour and a half, restarted and driven three miles, shut down for six hours...you get the idea. Lots of stop-and-go, lots of idle time. And they picked a car that is fairly easy on its oil--one with a big V-6. If I was designing the test, I wouldn't have used NYC cabs. I'd have used Geo Metros (they have 1-litre 3-cylinder engines), and run the test in Missoula, Montana, which is for Montana an urban area. Lots of stop-and-go, plenty of "get on the Interstate and drive flat out" activity, and a much harsher test of the oil. Either that, or use motorcycles--their engine oil lubricates the gearbox too, hence the viscosity improvers get a real torture test as they're run through the heavy gearing. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <s%Ddb.39387$TM4.5169@pd7tw2no>,
"Harvey Loria" <Harvey.Loria@shaw.ca> wrote: > Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer > Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern > motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . > > Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no > benefit from changing the oil I didn't think much of this study. A NYC taxi is turned off oh, maybe once a day when they fuel it, so they won't blow up the filling station with static from the car. It doesn't have a chance to accumulate water in the oil, because the oil never cools. Jim Mowreader's Accord is started early in the morning, driven ten miles, shut down for nine hours, restarted, driven ten miles, shut down for an hour and a half, restarted and driven three miles, shut down for six hours...you get the idea. Lots of stop-and-go, lots of idle time. And they picked a car that is fairly easy on its oil--one with a big V-6. If I was designing the test, I wouldn't have used NYC cabs. I'd have used Geo Metros (they have 1-litre 3-cylinder engines), and run the test in Missoula, Montana, which is for Montana an urban area. Lots of stop-and-go, plenty of "get on the Interstate and drive flat out" activity, and a much harsher test of the oil. Either that, or use motorcycles--their engine oil lubricates the gearbox too, hence the viscosity improvers get a real torture test as they're run through the heavy gearing. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
After I bought our '03 Accord EX 5speed I called my mechanic...whom by the way sold my '94 Accord EX with 285K miles for $500...which is what the dealer was offering me as a trade-in value. Anyway, while I was asking him if he wanted to buy it...he suggested I change the oil on the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. I did exactly what he suggested...from there on he suggested every 3K miles. I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. My Honda rarely...I mean rarely needed to be repaired...except for the five sets of tires I went thru, 4 sets of breaks, 2 sets of rotors, 2nd mufler install with catalyc converter and some other major exhaust pipe that cost a bundle. And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... Enought talk.... -- wolf00359 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via RealCarAudio.com - The checkmate of the caraudio community. http://www.RealCarAudio.com wolf00359's Profile: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/m...fo&userid=2057 View this thread: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/s...?threadid=8757 |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
After I bought our '03 Accord EX 5speed I called my mechanic...whom by the way sold my '94 Accord EX with 285K miles for $500...which is what the dealer was offering me as a trade-in value. Anyway, while I was asking him if he wanted to buy it...he suggested I change the oil on the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. I did exactly what he suggested...from there on he suggested every 3K miles. I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. My Honda rarely...I mean rarely needed to be repaired...except for the five sets of tires I went thru, 4 sets of breaks, 2 sets of rotors, 2nd mufler install with catalyc converter and some other major exhaust pipe that cost a bundle. And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... Enought talk.... -- wolf00359 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via RealCarAudio.com - The checkmate of the caraudio community. http://www.RealCarAudio.com wolf00359's Profile: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/m...fo&userid=2057 View this thread: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/s...?threadid=8757 |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
After I bought our '03 Accord EX 5speed I called my mechanic...whom by the way sold my '94 Accord EX with 285K miles for $500...which is what the dealer was offering me as a trade-in value. Anyway, while I was asking him if he wanted to buy it...he suggested I change the oil on the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. I did exactly what he suggested...from there on he suggested every 3K miles. I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. My Honda rarely...I mean rarely needed to be repaired...except for the five sets of tires I went thru, 4 sets of breaks, 2 sets of rotors, 2nd mufler install with catalyc converter and some other major exhaust pipe that cost a bundle. And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... Enought talk.... -- wolf00359 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via RealCarAudio.com - The checkmate of the caraudio community. http://www.RealCarAudio.com wolf00359's Profile: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/m...fo&userid=2057 View this thread: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/s...?threadid=8757 |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"wolf00359" <wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com> wrote in message news:wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com... > he suggested I change the oil on > the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: > Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does > there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of > it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the > engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. The minute debirs that floats around, suspended in oil is actualy doing a job there. It helps polish out any rough surfaces in a brand new engine. That's partly how the break-in takes place. And that's why it should be left there for as long as Honda recommends to finish this job. Otherwise, your engine will not be properly broken-in. > I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. Does Dave know more about this engine than Honda engineers that designed it? Why would Honda suggest something that would "cause engine damage", especially right at the beginning, when there is almost 3 full years of warranty still remaining? > And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more > expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... And? 5w-20 is no more expensive than other oil grades, unless you choose to buy it from a Honda dealer of course. Cheers, Pete |
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