Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:14:24 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:

>On 9/20/03 10:54 AM, in article
>billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2-broad-134.snlo.dialup.fix.net, "Bill B.
>Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee"
>> <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal
>>> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty
>>> roads n stuff.
>>>
>>> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days?
>>
>> If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the
>> oil changed every 12 months.
>>
>> If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and
>> filter every 3000 miles.
>>
>> Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
>>
>> Change the coolant every two years.
>
>
>Huh? Where do you get this stuff? It sounds like you're reading advice
>from Smokey in a Popular Science from about 1970.
>
>I would really like to see some actual data that shows a reduction in a
>modern car's usable life that was caused by following the manufacturer's
>published maintenance schedule. How about it? Anybody? Didn't think so.

Especially unlikely to be difference if the 7500 mile oil is synthetic
and the 300 mile is dino (except in the wallet where the 3000 mile
protocol costs more). 3000 mile changes with synthetic is silly.

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

Actually there HAVE been studies on the changing of oil, and it's interval.
Just do a websearch. Oil change intervals used to be 3k because the oils
would gunk the engines, and the tolerances would get out of whack with the
increased pressures. Nowawdays, the oils and fuels have detergents. And
this is natural oil. In fact, my Owners Manual for my 1988 Accord LXi
recommends 7,500 mile interval. Synthetics weren't popular then. One brand
in particular who advertised longer intervals is Amsoil. They make
synthetics. If memory serves me, the interval is 25,000 miles.
"DH" <upyoursspam@cox.net> wrote in message
news:upyoursspam-7680D2.11483421092003@news.east.cox.net...
> In article
> <billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2-broad-134.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
> > In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee"
> > <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal
> > > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances.
> > >
> > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and
salty
> > > roads n stuff.
> > >
> > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these
days?
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the
> > oil changed every 12 months.
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil
and
> > filter every 3000 miles.
> >
> > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
> >
> > Change the coolant every two years.
>
> 3K oil changes are ridiculous, do it every 5k or twice a yeark,
> whichever comes first.

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

Actually there HAVE been studies on the changing of oil, and it's interval.
Just do a websearch. Oil change intervals used to be 3k because the oils
would gunk the engines, and the tolerances would get out of whack with the
increased pressures. Nowawdays, the oils and fuels have detergents. And
this is natural oil. In fact, my Owners Manual for my 1988 Accord LXi
recommends 7,500 mile interval. Synthetics weren't popular then. One brand
in particular who advertised longer intervals is Amsoil. They make
synthetics. If memory serves me, the interval is 25,000 miles.
"DH" <upyoursspam@cox.net> wrote in message
news:upyoursspam-7680D2.11483421092003@news.east.cox.net...
> In article
> <billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2-broad-134.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
> > In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee"
> > <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal
> > > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances.
> > >
> > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and
salty
> > > roads n stuff.
> > >
> > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these
days?
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the
> > oil changed every 12 months.
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil
and
> > filter every 3000 miles.
> >
> > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
> >
> > Change the coolant every two years.
>
> 3K oil changes are ridiculous, do it every 5k or twice a yeark,
> whichever comes first.

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

Actually there HAVE been studies on the changing of oil, and it's interval.
Just do a websearch. Oil change intervals used to be 3k because the oils
would gunk the engines, and the tolerances would get out of whack with the
increased pressures. Nowawdays, the oils and fuels have detergents. And
this is natural oil. In fact, my Owners Manual for my 1988 Accord LXi
recommends 7,500 mile interval. Synthetics weren't popular then. One brand
in particular who advertised longer intervals is Amsoil. They make
synthetics. If memory serves me, the interval is 25,000 miles.
"DH" <upyoursspam@cox.net> wrote in message
news:upyoursspam-7680D2.11483421092003@news.east.cox.net...
> In article
> <billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2-broad-134.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
> billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com (Bill B. Johnson) wrote:
>
> > In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee"
> > <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal
> > > circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances.
> > >
> > > I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and
salty
> > > roads n stuff.
> > >
> > > But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these
days?
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the
> > oil changed every 12 months.
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil
and
> > filter every 3000 miles.
> >
> > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
> >
> > Change the coolant every two years.
>
> 3K oil changes are ridiculous, do it every 5k or twice a yeark,
> whichever comes first.

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

In article <xl3bb.73012$PD3.4763776@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Brian Smith"
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

> "Bill B. Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2-broad-134.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and
> > filter every 3000 miles.
> >
> > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
> >
> > Change the coolant every two years.
>
> You forgot to mention changing the brake fluid every two years, as well.

good point

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

In article <xl3bb.73012$PD3.4763776@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Brian Smith"
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

> "Bill B. Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2-broad-134.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and
> > filter every 3000 miles.
> >
> > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
> >
> > Change the coolant every two years.
>
> You forgot to mention changing the brake fluid every two years, as well.

good point

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

In article <xl3bb.73012$PD3.4763776@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Brian Smith"
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

> "Bill B. Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2-broad-134.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and
> > filter every 3000 miles.
> >
> > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
> >
> > Change the coolant every two years.
>
> You forgot to mention changing the brake fluid every two years, as well.

good point

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

"Bill B. Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:billbjohnson555-2209031147350001@pm3-broad-248.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>
> good point

Thank you. I make a point of changing every fluid in my vehicles, fluids
breakdown and lose their usefulness. Changing them can only lengthen the
vehicles life. And, the cost of these changes are certainly small in
comparison to the possible consequences of ignoring them.

--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

"Bill B. Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:billbjohnson555-2209031147350001@pm3-broad-248.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>
> good point

Thank you. I make a point of changing every fluid in my vehicles, fluids
breakdown and lose their usefulness. Changing them can only lengthen the
vehicles life. And, the cost of these changes are certainly small in
comparison to the possible consequences of ignoring them.

--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

"Bill B. Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:billbjohnson555-2209031147350001@pm3-broad-248.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>
> good point

Thank you. I make a point of changing every fluid in my vehicles, fluids
breakdown and lose their usefulness. Changing them can only lengthen the
vehicles life. And, the cost of these changes are certainly small in
comparison to the possible consequences of ignoring them.

--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

In article <BB921F50.15D8D%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:

> On 9/20/03 10:54 AM, in article
> billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2...dialup.fix.net, "Bill B.
> Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee"
> > <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal
> >> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances.
> >>
> >> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty
> >> roads n stuff.
> >>
> >> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days?
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the
> > oil changed every 12 months.
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and
> > filter every 3000 miles.
> >
> > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
> >
> > Change the coolant every two years.
>
>
> Huh? Where do you get this stuff? It sounds like you're reading advice
> from Smokey in a Popular Science from about 1970.
>
> I would really like to see some actual data that shows a reduction in a
> modern car's usable life that was caused by following the manufacturer's
> published maintenance schedule. How about it? Anybody? Didn't think so.

You are right. I don't have any data from some magazine or owner's manual.
I just know some basic facts about fluids used in vehicles. I once changed
my oil and transmission fluid on a regular basis. I admit that I have
never changed brake fluid and have hired mechanics to do that chore. I
closely examined the fluids and found metal fragments and other stuff that
I could not identify in those fluids. I recall reading (I don't remember
the source) that those metal fragments can cause damage to various engine
parts. That's why I follow the conservative mait. schedule mentioned
above. You can do what you like. If you only plan to keep a new vehicle
three years or less--it's okay to follow the maint. schedule in the
owner's manual. I plan to keep my Honda Accord 5 or more years.

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

In article <BB921F50.15D8D%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:

> On 9/20/03 10:54 AM, in article
> billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2...dialup.fix.net, "Bill B.
> Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee"
> > <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal
> >> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances.
> >>
> >> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty
> >> roads n stuff.
> >>
> >> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days?
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the
> > oil changed every 12 months.
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and
> > filter every 3000 miles.
> >
> > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
> >
> > Change the coolant every two years.
>
>
> Huh? Where do you get this stuff? It sounds like you're reading advice
> from Smokey in a Popular Science from about 1970.
>
> I would really like to see some actual data that shows a reduction in a
> modern car's usable life that was caused by following the manufacturer's
> published maintenance schedule. How about it? Anybody? Didn't think so.

You are right. I don't have any data from some magazine or owner's manual.
I just know some basic facts about fluids used in vehicles. I once changed
my oil and transmission fluid on a regular basis. I admit that I have
never changed brake fluid and have hired mechanics to do that chore. I
closely examined the fluids and found metal fragments and other stuff that
I could not identify in those fluids. I recall reading (I don't remember
the source) that those metal fragments can cause damage to various engine
parts. That's why I follow the conservative mait. schedule mentioned
above. You can do what you like. If you only plan to keep a new vehicle
three years or less--it's okay to follow the maint. schedule in the
owner's manual. I plan to keep my Honda Accord 5 or more years.

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

In article <BB921F50.15D8D%e.meyer@ieee.org>, "E. Meyer"
<e.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:

> On 9/20/03 10:54 AM, in article
> billbjohnson555-2009030854320001@pm2...dialup.fix.net, "Bill B.
> Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw.ca >, "bandabee"
> > <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal
> >> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances.
> >>
> >> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty
> >> roads n stuff.
> >>
> >> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days?
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for two years or less--you can have the
> > oil changed every 12 months.
> >
> > If you plan to keep the vehicle for more than 4 years--change the oil and
> > filter every 3000 miles.
> >
> > Change the transmission fluid and clean the filter every two years.
> >
> > Change the coolant every two years.
>
>
> Huh? Where do you get this stuff? It sounds like you're reading advice
> from Smokey in a Popular Science from about 1970.
>
> I would really like to see some actual data that shows a reduction in a
> modern car's usable life that was caused by following the manufacturer's
> published maintenance schedule. How about it? Anybody? Didn't think so.

You are right. I don't have any data from some magazine or owner's manual.
I just know some basic facts about fluids used in vehicles. I once changed
my oil and transmission fluid on a regular basis. I admit that I have
never changed brake fluid and have hired mechanics to do that chore. I
closely examined the fluids and found metal fragments and other stuff that
I could not identify in those fluids. I recall reading (I don't remember
the source) that those metal fragments can cause damage to various engine
parts. That's why I follow the conservative mait. schedule mentioned
above. You can do what you like. If you only plan to keep a new vehicle
three years or less--it's okay to follow the maint. schedule in the
owner's manual. I plan to keep my Honda Accord 5 or more years.

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago.
They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check
for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands.
Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made
little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no
significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised
name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really
necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme
climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil &
automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your
money and the environment and change your oil once a year!


"bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal
> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances.
>
> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty
> roads n stuff.
>
> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days?
>
>

Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
 

Consumer Reports did a scientific study on changing oil a few years ago.
They studied taxi cabs in NYC. They even took the engines apart to check
for wear and tear, and they compared name brand oils to no-name brands.
Their results were surprising. Frequent oil changes, or synthetic oils made
little difference to performance or engine wear! Also, there were no
significant differences between no-name brand oils and heavily advertised
name brands. Finally, the only time frequent oil changes are really
necessary--more than once a year-- is if you live in places with extreme
climate changes such as Alaska, etc. It seems to me that the oil &
automobile industry drives this panacea for frequent oil changes. Save your
money and the environment and change your oil once a year!


"bandabee" <banXdabee@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:TScab.975769$ro6.19281738@news2.calgary.shaw. ca...
> In the manual, it says change once every 12 months under normal
> circumstances, once every 6 months under extreme circumstances.
>
> I'm guessing extreme means if u live in places with lots of snow and salty
> roads n stuff.
>
> But, once a year oil change?!?! Is that wut new cars are like these days?
>
>