Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
In article <s%Ddb.39387$TM4.5169@pd7tw2no>,
"Harvey Loria" <Harvey.Loria@shaw.ca> wrote: > Let's set the record straight! I will quote extensively from Consumer > Reports of July 1996, "The surprising Truth about motor oils": "Modern > motor oils needn't be changed as often as oils did years ago. . . > > Even in the severe driving conditions that a NYC taxi endures, we noted no > benefit from changing the oil I didn't think much of this study. A NYC taxi is turned off oh, maybe once a day when they fuel it, so they won't blow up the filling station with static from the car. It doesn't have a chance to accumulate water in the oil, because the oil never cools. Jim Mowreader's Accord is started early in the morning, driven ten miles, shut down for nine hours, restarted, driven ten miles, shut down for an hour and a half, restarted and driven three miles, shut down for six hours...you get the idea. Lots of stop-and-go, lots of idle time. And they picked a car that is fairly easy on its oil--one with a big V-6. If I was designing the test, I wouldn't have used NYC cabs. I'd have used Geo Metros (they have 1-litre 3-cylinder engines), and run the test in Missoula, Montana, which is for Montana an urban area. Lots of stop-and-go, plenty of "get on the Interstate and drive flat out" activity, and a much harsher test of the oil. Either that, or use motorcycles--their engine oil lubricates the gearbox too, hence the viscosity improvers get a real torture test as they're run through the heavy gearing. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
After I bought our '03 Accord EX 5speed I called my mechanic...whom by the way sold my '94 Accord EX with 285K miles for $500...which is what the dealer was offering me as a trade-in value. Anyway, while I was asking him if he wanted to buy it...he suggested I change the oil on the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. I did exactly what he suggested...from there on he suggested every 3K miles. I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. My Honda rarely...I mean rarely needed to be repaired...except for the five sets of tires I went thru, 4 sets of breaks, 2 sets of rotors, 2nd mufler install with catalyc converter and some other major exhaust pipe that cost a bundle. And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... Enought talk.... -- wolf00359 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via RealCarAudio.com - The checkmate of the caraudio community. http://www.RealCarAudio.com wolf00359's Profile: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/m...fo&userid=2057 View this thread: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/s...?threadid=8757 |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
After I bought our '03 Accord EX 5speed I called my mechanic...whom by the way sold my '94 Accord EX with 285K miles for $500...which is what the dealer was offering me as a trade-in value. Anyway, while I was asking him if he wanted to buy it...he suggested I change the oil on the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. I did exactly what he suggested...from there on he suggested every 3K miles. I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. My Honda rarely...I mean rarely needed to be repaired...except for the five sets of tires I went thru, 4 sets of breaks, 2 sets of rotors, 2nd mufler install with catalyc converter and some other major exhaust pipe that cost a bundle. And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... Enought talk.... -- wolf00359 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via RealCarAudio.com - The checkmate of the caraudio community. http://www.RealCarAudio.com wolf00359's Profile: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/m...fo&userid=2057 View this thread: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/s...?threadid=8757 |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
After I bought our '03 Accord EX 5speed I called my mechanic...whom by the way sold my '94 Accord EX with 285K miles for $500...which is what the dealer was offering me as a trade-in value. Anyway, while I was asking him if he wanted to buy it...he suggested I change the oil on the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. I did exactly what he suggested...from there on he suggested every 3K miles. I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. My Honda rarely...I mean rarely needed to be repaired...except for the five sets of tires I went thru, 4 sets of breaks, 2 sets of rotors, 2nd mufler install with catalyc converter and some other major exhaust pipe that cost a bundle. And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... Enought talk.... -- wolf00359 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via RealCarAudio.com - The checkmate of the caraudio community. http://www.RealCarAudio.com wolf00359's Profile: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/m...fo&userid=2057 View this thread: http://www.realcaraudio.com/forums/s...?threadid=8757 |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"wolf00359" <wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com> wrote in message news:wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com... > he suggested I change the oil on > the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: > Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does > there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of > it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the > engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. The minute debirs that floats around, suspended in oil is actualy doing a job there. It helps polish out any rough surfaces in a brand new engine. That's partly how the break-in takes place. And that's why it should be left there for as long as Honda recommends to finish this job. Otherwise, your engine will not be properly broken-in. > I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. Does Dave know more about this engine than Honda engineers that designed it? Why would Honda suggest something that would "cause engine damage", especially right at the beginning, when there is almost 3 full years of warranty still remaining? > And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more > expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... And? 5w-20 is no more expensive than other oil grades, unless you choose to buy it from a Honda dealer of course. Cheers, Pete |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"wolf00359" <wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com> wrote in message news:wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com... > he suggested I change the oil on > the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: > Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does > there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of > it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the > engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. The minute debirs that floats around, suspended in oil is actualy doing a job there. It helps polish out any rough surfaces in a brand new engine. That's partly how the break-in takes place. And that's why it should be left there for as long as Honda recommends to finish this job. Otherwise, your engine will not be properly broken-in. > I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. Does Dave know more about this engine than Honda engineers that designed it? Why would Honda suggest something that would "cause engine damage", especially right at the beginning, when there is almost 3 full years of warranty still remaining? > And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more > expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... And? 5w-20 is no more expensive than other oil grades, unless you choose to buy it from a Honda dealer of course. Cheers, Pete |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
"wolf00359" <wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com> wrote in message news:wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com... > he suggested I change the oil on > the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: > Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does > there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of > it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the > engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. The minute debirs that floats around, suspended in oil is actualy doing a job there. It helps polish out any rough surfaces in a brand new engine. That's partly how the break-in takes place. And that's why it should be left there for as long as Honda recommends to finish this job. Otherwise, your engine will not be properly broken-in. > I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. Does Dave know more about this engine than Honda engineers that designed it? Why would Honda suggest something that would "cause engine damage", especially right at the beginning, when there is almost 3 full years of warranty still remaining? > And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more > expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... And? 5w-20 is no more expensive than other oil grades, unless you choose to buy it from a Honda dealer of course. Cheers, Pete |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:44:45 GMT, wolf00359
<wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com> wrote: > >After I bought our '03 Accord EX 5speed I called my mechanic...whom by >the way sold my '94 Accord EX with 285K miles for $500...which is what >the dealer was offering me as a trade-in value. Anyway, while I was >asking him if he wanted to buy it...he suggested I change the oil on >the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: >Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does >there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of >it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the >engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. I did exactly >what he suggested...from there on he suggested every 3K miles. > >I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. My Honda rarely...I mean >rarely needed to be repaired...except for the five sets of tires I went >thru, 4 sets of breaks, 2 sets of rotors, 2nd mufler install with >catalyc converter and some other major exhaust pipe that cost a >bundle. > >And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more >expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... > >Enought talk.... The Honda manual makes it clear that they strongly recommend that you leave the initial oil in the engine for the specified interval. I've heard from others in this group that there is a special break-in oil in the car. I can't confirm that, but their specific instructions not to do the first oil change until the right mileage would support that notion. Note they don't just put the interval in the maintenance chart. They specifically say not to do the first one early. I'm glad you have a mechanic you trust and like. But why would you assume that he knows more about how to properly break-in this engine than the engineers that designed it? Why would Honda recommend so strongly a first change approach if it was so obvious that it can damage the engine? |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:44:45 GMT, wolf00359
<wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com> wrote: > >After I bought our '03 Accord EX 5speed I called my mechanic...whom by >the way sold my '94 Accord EX with 285K miles for $500...which is what >the dealer was offering me as a trade-in value. Anyway, while I was >asking him if he wanted to buy it...he suggested I change the oil on >the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: >Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does >there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of >it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the >engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. I did exactly >what he suggested...from there on he suggested every 3K miles. > >I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. My Honda rarely...I mean >rarely needed to be repaired...except for the five sets of tires I went >thru, 4 sets of breaks, 2 sets of rotors, 2nd mufler install with >catalyc converter and some other major exhaust pipe that cost a >bundle. > >And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more >expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... > >Enought talk.... The Honda manual makes it clear that they strongly recommend that you leave the initial oil in the engine for the specified interval. I've heard from others in this group that there is a special break-in oil in the car. I can't confirm that, but their specific instructions not to do the first oil change until the right mileage would support that notion. Note they don't just put the interval in the maintenance chart. They specifically say not to do the first one early. I'm glad you have a mechanic you trust and like. But why would you assume that he knows more about how to properly break-in this engine than the engineers that designed it? Why would Honda recommend so strongly a first change approach if it was so obvious that it can damage the engine? |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:44:45 GMT, wolf00359
<wolf00359.vbngz@realcaraudio.com> wrote: > >After I bought our '03 Accord EX 5speed I called my mechanic...whom by >the way sold my '94 Accord EX with 285K miles for $500...which is what >the dealer was offering me as a trade-in value. Anyway, while I was >asking him if he wanted to buy it...he suggested I change the oil on >the new Accord at 650 miles and to not drive the engine hard. Reason: >Brand new engine will need all internal parts to set in. As it does >there will be debris, very small debris, that will come off. Some of >it will be traped in the oil filter but some will recycle into the >engine. This will in the long run cause engine damage. I did exactly >what he suggested...from there on he suggested every 3K miles. > >I've learned to trust Dave, my mechanic. My Honda rarely...I mean >rarely needed to be repaired...except for the five sets of tires I went >thru, 4 sets of breaks, 2 sets of rotors, 2nd mufler install with >catalyc converter and some other major exhaust pipe that cost a >bundle. > >And by the way...the oil change for the '03 Accord EX is more >expensive..it requires 5/20..or something like that.... > >Enought talk.... The Honda manual makes it clear that they strongly recommend that you leave the initial oil in the engine for the specified interval. I've heard from others in this group that there is a special break-in oil in the car. I can't confirm that, but their specific instructions not to do the first oil change until the right mileage would support that notion. Note they don't just put the interval in the maintenance chart. They specifically say not to do the first one early. I'm glad you have a mechanic you trust and like. But why would you assume that he knows more about how to properly break-in this engine than the engineers that designed it? Why would Honda recommend so strongly a first change approach if it was so obvious that it can damage the engine? |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Many of you may not believe the following, many more of you may think I am
crazy, but I am 50 years old, have owned 7 cars in the last 32 years, have never owned a car that did not get at least 200,000 miles on it before I traded it in, and in every single instance, after the first year of ownership, never did I change the oil in any of them prior to at least 30,000 miles, if at least that little. Call me lucky? Call me crazy? Well, I have always felt that if someone who wants to sell you oil, he will try and sell you as much of it, and as often as he can talk you into it. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Many of you may not believe the following, many more of you may think I am
crazy, but I am 50 years old, have owned 7 cars in the last 32 years, have never owned a car that did not get at least 200,000 miles on it before I traded it in, and in every single instance, after the first year of ownership, never did I change the oil in any of them prior to at least 30,000 miles, if at least that little. Call me lucky? Call me crazy? Well, I have always felt that if someone who wants to sell you oil, he will try and sell you as much of it, and as often as he can talk you into it. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Many of you may not believe the following, many more of you may think I am
crazy, but I am 50 years old, have owned 7 cars in the last 32 years, have never owned a car that did not get at least 200,000 miles on it before I traded it in, and in every single instance, after the first year of ownership, never did I change the oil in any of them prior to at least 30,000 miles, if at least that little. Call me lucky? Call me crazy? Well, I have always felt that if someone who wants to sell you oil, he will try and sell you as much of it, and as often as he can talk you into it. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
Many of you may not believe the following, many more of you may think I am
crazy, but I am 50 years old, have owned 7 cars in the last 32 years, have never owned a car that did not get at least 200,000 miles on it before I traded it in, and in every single instance, after the first year of ownership, never did I change the oil in any of them prior to at least 30,000 miles, if at least that little. Call me lucky? Call me crazy? Well, I have always felt that if someone who wants to sell you oil, he will try and sell you as much of it, and as often as he can talk you into it. |
Re: 2003 Accord Oil Change, once a year?
I'm glad that works for you, but I've never heard of anyone having a
problem because they changed their oil too often. Rob "Jay A" <jayfromca@verizon.net> wrote in message news:r8%rb.35387$p9.28144@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > Many of you may not believe the following, many more of you may think I am > crazy, but I am 50 years old, have owned 7 cars in the last 32 years, have > never owned a car that did not get at least 200,000 miles on it before I > traded it in, and in every single instance, after the first year of > ownership, never did I change the oil in any of them prior to at least > 30,000 miles, if at least that little. Call me lucky? Call me crazy? Well, I > have always felt that if someone who wants to sell you oil, he will try and > sell you as much of it, and as often as he can talk you into it. > > > > |
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