Re: 2004 Accord price?
 

> It really doesn't matter how much dickering you do, someone will always
> come along offering to sell it to you for a few dollars less. The
> important thing is to arrive at a price where the differences are small. I
> think you're there.

I offered them 24,500 for the car today. They countered with $25,100. The
only thing stopping me from buying the car is the fact that everyone is
saying the car is used and it should be priced accordingly. I can't find a
used 2004 anywhere to compare.

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I would have to wonder if the 2 grand difference is going to be worth it in
the long run. I don't know if a hard start to life (abusive break-in
compared to controlled break-in) will effect longevity. The difference in
the monthly payment can't be more than a few coffees per month. Not worth
it to me. I must say that I bought a 'demo' Suzuki Swift GT back in 1990
only to find out nine years later that the car was actually previously
owned... best of luck just the same.



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> > For the money you'll be spending on a new car why settle for a
previously
> > enjoyed car? ... and a brand new car hasn't been beaten to death in
> 'test'
> > drives.
>
> One reason is the bottom line - the cheapest I can get the same "new" car
is
> $28,768.00 out the door - tax and all
>
> This car I can get out the door for $26,898.00- almost 2k less. Are those
> 4600 miles worth the 2k? That's what I have to decide I guess.
>
> Using the above two numbers - If I buy both cars, drive them off the lot,
> what are they worth now? I'd guess the new one will lose 3500 and the demo
> would lose 1500.
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Re: 2004 Accord price?
 

The smartest thing you could have done is NOT give in to the dealer
pressure and accept that price! Don't listen to the dealer's BS about
not being able to reduce the invoice price. You should NEVER pay over
'invoice' price for any vehicle, unless it is a very new or hot
selling model. Keep in mind the 'invoice' price that you get either
from the dealer or from edmunds.com is NOT the actual dealer invoice
price. This quoted invoice price is usually 3-5% (or possibly more)
than the actual dealer's cost! If the dealer gives you a hard time, I
suggest looking for another dealer. In Los Angeles, it's not a problem
since there are fifty or so Honda dealers within a two hour drive.

I do not like to deal with scamming dealers, and my policy is to avoid
them at the first sign of shady ethics. I almost purchased a Mazda 3 a
few months ago. I was ready to sign, but after reviewing the paperwork
I noticed a $150 "Dealer Advertising Fee". I didn't like this fee and
I asked about it. I was told that it's a mandatory advertising fee
that all dealers have to pay for Mazda's advertising in the Region.
Why should I have to pay for Mazda to advertise? I didn't like it, but
the finance manager told me "it's only $150". I didn't mind the fact
that it was $150, but the reasoning behind that charge was a scam.

All those little 'extras' like pinstriping, underbody protection,
scotchguard, paint protector - they're all a joke. Any dealer trying
to sell them to you is ripping you off! The reason they get away with
it is because most people don't question those charges.

I got a 2003 Accord brand new in June of last year for $800 less than
Edmunds' quoted invoice price (Not the TMV, but the indicated invoice
price!), including destination. I negotiated the price online, and
when I went to the dealership there were almost no surprises. There
were no additional charges on the worksheet, however when the salesman
got back from the finance office my monthly payment was calculated
incorrectly. Fortunately, I had calculated the finance information
ahead of time and knew what my monthly payment should have been. This
was easily resolved (10 minutes later) and I drove home in my shiny
new Accord.

Be wary of the "demo" vehicles. Sometimes a dealer may sell a car,
then rescind the offer once they realize that no bank will finance the
loan, in which case they'll take the car back from the person they
sold it to. It may have been an actual demo vehicle, however I'd be
concerned with that as well. I just think of how hard I abuse cars
when I take them on test drives, and then think about 100 more people
doing the same thing (all the while considering the owners manual
break in instructions - "no hard acceleration or breaking, no speeds
over 55")

So, before you buy that worn-in 'demo' vehicle, don't compare the
price to the dealer's "new" Accord. Get some more quotes on new
accords from other dealers. I'm sure you can find one with less than
10 miles on it for the same price as that demo.

Re: 2004 Accord price?
 

Bubba wrote:
> In article <X9Uqc.118346$Ik.9932517@attbi_s53> "L Alpert"
> <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> writes:
>
>> HomeBrewer wrote:
>>> I've been shopping for an Accord and have found a demo with 4k
>>> miles. It is the EX V6, loaded with everything including the
>>> navigation and voice commands. I have talked the dealer down to
>>> 25800.00. Edmonds reports the TMV at 26565.00 Is there room for
>>> more talking or should I bite at this price?
>
>> I got mine new for $26k, same configuration in December of '03. Zip
>> 94538
>
> Depends on where you are.
> In Houston, TX (zip 77082) you can get the EX/V6 w/spoiler(without
> the nav package) for $24,500 total drive out (meaning that # includes
> dest chg, tax, title & lic). The same car with 400 miles (pre-sold
> owner return) is avail for $23,500 (drive-out). The nav package
> should add about $1000 to the above figures, so anything $26k or less
> is a fair and reasonable price.

It's about right, the NAV goes for almost $2K.

>
> It really doesn't matter how much dickering you do, someone will
> always come along offering to sell it to you for a few dollars less.
> The important thing is to arrive at a price where the differences are
> small. I think you're there.

Yep. Agreed.

Re: 2004 Accord price?
 

HomeBrewer wrote:
>> I got mine new for $26k, same configuration in December of '03. Zip
>> 94538
>
> Is that with delivery + ttt or base price?

Base and destination. Add on taxes (CA 8.25% grrrr.....) and title.

Re: 2004 Accord price?
 

> So, before you buy that worn-in 'demo' vehicle, don't compare the
> price to the dealer's "new" Accord. Get some more quotes on new
> accords from other dealers. I'm sure you can find one with less than
> 10 miles on it for the same price as that demo.

Thats what I thought also, but theres no way to get the same car new for
under 25k - at least not anywhere in the southeast and if there is a way,
I'm not going to waste any more time and effort looking. I've researched,
called, emailed, talked to dealers and test drove cars for the last 6
months. I'm weary from the dealing and I'm done. It was a good fight and I
feel good about the deal. I got out the door for under 27k.

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In article <2h50f8F94d39U1@uni-berlin.de> "HomeBrewer"
<t3e871XXX@earthlink.net> writes:


>I know the destination charges are actual, the other stuff is BS, whether
>it's actual or not. For example, mug guards, pin striping and spray
>protectant and a trunk tray - They said actual cost was $390.

These items are what is referred to as "pack". Aftermarket mud guards,
even with chrome strips, are only $20 and are fairly easy to install. Pin
striping is a nice touch tho, and does "set the car off" from others
without it. Aftermarket detail shops can add the pin striping for about
$75-$150 depending on the shop. The interior seat & fabric protectant is a
MUST-HAVE (in my opinion) but you can buy it (ScotchGard) at Loewes or
Home Depot for about $5 a can and there's enough in 1 can to do 4 cars.
It's easy to apply, anyone can do it. Read the can. What the hell is a
"trunk tray"?

Has it ever been titled or do they still have the MSO (Mfr's Statement Of
Origin)? This makes a *BIG* difference to you as buyer. If they have the
MSO, then you go on the title as "original" first owner. However, if it's
been previously titled, then you go on the title as having bought it
"used". That can make a considerable difference when it comes time for YOU
to sell it.

>I've got them down to 25,100 +TTT right now. I doubt I could get any lower,
>and I'm wearing out - it's been 2 days of negotiations. I'm going let them
>sit on the car for a few more days.

For $25,100 you ought to be able to buy a brand new car with NO miles on
it. Insurance companies look at automobiles as having an "average" useful
life of 100,000 miles. Therefore, w/4600 miles on the car, 4.6% of its
average useful life has been consumed.

I know you've been dickering for a while and are growing weary, but a car
with 4600 miles on it is a used car, period. For what little difference
there would be in a monthly payment, I'd blow-off this deal and look more
toward dickering on a brand-new one. A year or two from now you'll be glad
you did.

>> All above notwithstanding, bear in mind that it is now late May and soon
>> to be June. The 2004 Accord will be celebrating a birthday in another
>> couple months when the 2005s come out.

>Traditionally, how much should that drop the prices?

Depends on how much they INCREASE the price of the new model. Remember,
prices usually go up every year. Typically by buying at the end of the
model year you should be able to save anywhere from 10 to 15% versus what
the new models are selling for.

Once you agree on price you will be taken to the F&I guy (Finance &
Insurance) to draw up the paperwork. The F&I guy is also sometimes called
the "closer". In addition to drawing up the final paperwork, it is his/her
job to sell you on some more extras. One thing they will attempt to shove
down your throat is an extended warranty. Tell them NO and mean it. Don't
let them talk you into anything. Extended warranties are nothing more than
a mechanical breakdown insurance policy, they all have deductibles and
weasel clauses. Your chances of ever just breaking even with the policy's
high up-front cost is historically slim. Historically things that you
think should be covered, won't be because of the weasel clauses that would
take an attorney to explain.

Re: 2004 Accord price?
 

> These items are what is referred to as "pack". Aftermarket mud guards,
> even with chrome strips, are only $20 and are fairly easy to install. Pin
> striping is a nice touch tho, and does "set the car off" from others
> without it. Aftermarket detail shops can add the pin striping for about
> $75-$150 depending on the shop. The interior seat & fabric protectant is a
> MUST-HAVE (in my opinion) but you can buy it (ScotchGard) at Loewes or
> Home Depot for about $5 a can and there's enough in 1 can to do 4 cars.
> It's easy to apply, anyone can do it. Read the can. What the hell is a
> "trunk tray"?

I got the "package" charges thrown out and the trunk tray is the rubber
liner to protect the trunk carpet...Wife and I have been looking around at
other 04 accords for pin stripes - none yet.

> Has it ever been titled or do they still have the MSO (Mfr's Statement Of
> Origin)? This makes a *BIG* difference to you as buyer. If they have the
> MSO, then you go on the title as "original" first owner. However, if it's
> been previously titled, then you go on the title as having bought it
> "used". That can make a considerable difference when it comes time for YOU
> to sell it.

Never been titled - I'm first owner

> For $25,100 you ought to be able to buy a brand new car with NO miles on
> it. Insurance companies look at automobiles as having an "average" useful

Not with all these options or anywhere close to here. I could probably find
one, but the effort is not worth the few $ savings to me now.

> life of 100,000 miles. Therefore, w/4600 miles on the car, 4.6% of its
> average useful life has been consumed.

My final offer was exactly that - I started with the listed invoice price
added destination charge $490, and subtracted 4.6% for mileage. They had to
eat the "package" to make the deal. (although I know they are still making
3-5% on me)

> I know you've been dickering for a while and are growing weary, but a car
> with 4600 miles on it is a used car, period. For what little difference
> there would be in a monthly payment, I'd blow-off this deal and look more
> toward dickering on a brand-new one. A year or two from now you'll be glad
> you did.

too late, I drove the car home today. I feel better about this deal than any
of the previous 15-20 cars I have bought, because I did so much research and
haggling.

> the "closer". In addition to drawing up the final paperwork, it is his/her
> job to sell you on some more extras. One thing they will attempt to shove
> down your throat is an extended warranty. Tell them NO and mean it. Don't

Yea, I know and this one tried to sell me a new warranty product that covers
bugs and stains to the carpet - for $299? I listened to his whole speil and
then refused.

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Re: 2004 Accord price?
 

Bought my 0 miles accord coupe 6-cyl 6-speed for $2450 a month ago.
Came loaded: moonroof, rear spoiler, carpets, mudflaps, etc.

This thing is quick. Faster than my original 340 Dart back in '69 AND
it uses regular gas. I'm gonna add a new air intake/filter system
which will squeeze a few more hp out of it.



On Fri, 21 May 2004 19:16:04 -0500, "HomeBrewer"
<t3e871XXX@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>> So, before you buy that worn-in 'demo' vehicle, don't compare the
>> price to the dealer's "new" Accord. Get some more quotes on new
>> accords from other dealers. I'm sure you can find one with less than
>> 10 miles on it for the same price as that demo.
>
>Thats what I thought also, but theres no way to get the same car new for
>under 25k - at least not anywhere in the southeast and if there is a way,
>I'm not going to waste any more time and effort looking. I've researched,
>called, emailed, talked to dealers and test drove cars for the last 6
>months. I'm weary from the dealing and I'm done. It was a good fight and I
>feel good about the deal. I got out the door for under 27k.




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