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Re: 2004 Kia Optima
In article <-5GdnQjf-ZqK1eHbnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@sedona.net>,
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > My daughter-in-law is on her second Sephia. Her experience is that it isn't > a rugged car, but as long as she treats it gently it is reliable enough. > It's those 3K mile oil change requirements to maintain the warranty that bug > her. She has to have 33 done by the time the warranty expires. Cheap insurance, on any car. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-614AD4.21500422062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... > In article <-5GdnQjf-ZqK1eHbnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@sedona.net>, > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >> My daughter-in-law is on her second Sephia. Her experience is that it >> isn't >> a rugged car, but as long as she treats it gently it is reliable enough. >> It's those 3K mile oil change requirements to maintain the warranty that >> bug >> her. She has to have 33 done by the time the warranty expires. > > Cheap insurance, on any car. > > I think 3K is awfully short. I do 5K on my cars and that's a short interval. 10K is stretching it just a little bit IMO. The manual on my Toyota calls for 7500 mile changes (5K severe duty) but the European manual calls for 10K mile or 15 K km changes. My daughter's '93 Honda calls for 7500 mile changes in either regular or severe duty and it's still going strong at 235K miles. The price difference between 5K and 3K changes (if not DIY) can be substantial. Even at $20 the additional 13 changes is $260, and a $20 oil change has to be one with oil and filter I would never put in a car I wanted to keep. Again, my opinion. I realize this is one of those "religious" topics, so everybody is welcome to follow their own star. Mike |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-614AD4.21500422062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... > In article <-5GdnQjf-ZqK1eHbnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@sedona.net>, > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >> My daughter-in-law is on her second Sephia. Her experience is that it >> isn't >> a rugged car, but as long as she treats it gently it is reliable enough. >> It's those 3K mile oil change requirements to maintain the warranty that >> bug >> her. She has to have 33 done by the time the warranty expires. > > Cheap insurance, on any car. > > I think 3K is awfully short. I do 5K on my cars and that's a short interval. 10K is stretching it just a little bit IMO. The manual on my Toyota calls for 7500 mile changes (5K severe duty) but the European manual calls for 10K mile or 15 K km changes. My daughter's '93 Honda calls for 7500 mile changes in either regular or severe duty and it's still going strong at 235K miles. The price difference between 5K and 3K changes (if not DIY) can be substantial. Even at $20 the additional 13 changes is $260, and a $20 oil change has to be one with oil and filter I would never put in a car I wanted to keep. Again, my opinion. I realize this is one of those "religious" topics, so everybody is welcome to follow their own star. Mike |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-614AD4.21500422062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... > In article <-5GdnQjf-ZqK1eHbnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@sedona.net>, > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >> My daughter-in-law is on her second Sephia. Her experience is that it >> isn't >> a rugged car, but as long as she treats it gently it is reliable enough. >> It's those 3K mile oil change requirements to maintain the warranty that >> bug >> her. She has to have 33 done by the time the warranty expires. > > Cheap insurance, on any car. > > I think 3K is awfully short. I do 5K on my cars and that's a short interval. 10K is stretching it just a little bit IMO. The manual on my Toyota calls for 7500 mile changes (5K severe duty) but the European manual calls for 10K mile or 15 K km changes. My daughter's '93 Honda calls for 7500 mile changes in either regular or severe duty and it's still going strong at 235K miles. The price difference between 5K and 3K changes (if not DIY) can be substantial. Even at $20 the additional 13 changes is $260, and a $20 oil change has to be one with oil and filter I would never put in a car I wanted to keep. Again, my opinion. I realize this is one of those "religious" topics, so everybody is welcome to follow their own star. Mike |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min.
I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an engine. Jeff DeWitt Michael Pardee wrote: > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message > news:elmop-614AD4.21500422062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... >> In article <-5GdnQjf-ZqK1eHbnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@sedona.net>, >> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: >> >>> My daughter-in-law is on her second Sephia. Her experience is that it >>> isn't >>> a rugged car, but as long as she treats it gently it is reliable enough. >>> It's those 3K mile oil change requirements to maintain the warranty that >>> bug >>> her. She has to have 33 done by the time the warranty expires. >> Cheap insurance, on any car. >> >> > > I think 3K is awfully short. I do 5K on my cars and that's a short interval. > 10K is stretching it just a little bit IMO. The manual on my Toyota calls > for 7500 mile changes (5K severe duty) but the European manual calls for 10K > mile or 15 K km changes. My daughter's '93 Honda calls for 7500 mile changes > in either regular or severe duty and it's still going strong at 235K miles. > > The price difference between 5K and 3K changes (if not DIY) can be > substantial. Even at $20 the additional 13 changes is $260, and a $20 oil > change has to be one with oil and filter I would never put in a car I wanted > to keep. Again, my opinion. I realize this is one of those "religious" > topics, so everybody is welcome to follow their own star. > > Mike > > > |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min.
I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an engine. Jeff DeWitt Michael Pardee wrote: > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message > news:elmop-614AD4.21500422062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... >> In article <-5GdnQjf-ZqK1eHbnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@sedona.net>, >> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: >> >>> My daughter-in-law is on her second Sephia. Her experience is that it >>> isn't >>> a rugged car, but as long as she treats it gently it is reliable enough. >>> It's those 3K mile oil change requirements to maintain the warranty that >>> bug >>> her. She has to have 33 done by the time the warranty expires. >> Cheap insurance, on any car. >> >> > > I think 3K is awfully short. I do 5K on my cars and that's a short interval. > 10K is stretching it just a little bit IMO. The manual on my Toyota calls > for 7500 mile changes (5K severe duty) but the European manual calls for 10K > mile or 15 K km changes. My daughter's '93 Honda calls for 7500 mile changes > in either regular or severe duty and it's still going strong at 235K miles. > > The price difference between 5K and 3K changes (if not DIY) can be > substantial. Even at $20 the additional 13 changes is $260, and a $20 oil > change has to be one with oil and filter I would never put in a car I wanted > to keep. Again, my opinion. I realize this is one of those "religious" > topics, so everybody is welcome to follow their own star. > > Mike > > > |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min.
I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an engine. Jeff DeWitt Michael Pardee wrote: > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message > news:elmop-614AD4.21500422062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... >> In article <-5GdnQjf-ZqK1eHbnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@sedona.net>, >> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: >> >>> My daughter-in-law is on her second Sephia. Her experience is that it >>> isn't >>> a rugged car, but as long as she treats it gently it is reliable enough. >>> It's those 3K mile oil change requirements to maintain the warranty that >>> bug >>> her. She has to have 33 done by the time the warranty expires. >> Cheap insurance, on any car. >> >> > > I think 3K is awfully short. I do 5K on my cars and that's a short interval. > 10K is stretching it just a little bit IMO. The manual on my Toyota calls > for 7500 mile changes (5K severe duty) but the European manual calls for 10K > mile or 15 K km changes. My daughter's '93 Honda calls for 7500 mile changes > in either regular or severe duty and it's still going strong at 235K miles. > > The price difference between 5K and 3K changes (if not DIY) can be > substantial. Even at $20 the additional 13 changes is $260, and a $20 oil > change has to be one with oil and filter I would never put in a car I wanted > to keep. Again, my opinion. I realize this is one of those "religious" > topics, so everybody is welcome to follow their own star. > > Mike > > > |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
In article <89CdnSy-V9LrFOHbnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@sedona.net>,
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > > Cheap insurance, on any car. > > > > > > I think 3K is awfully short. Doesn't change the fact that it's cheap insurance on any car. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
In article <89CdnSy-V9LrFOHbnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@sedona.net>,
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > > Cheap insurance, on any car. > > > > > > I think 3K is awfully short. Doesn't change the fact that it's cheap insurance on any car. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
In article <89CdnSy-V9LrFOHbnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@sedona.net>,
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > > Cheap insurance, on any car. > > > > > > I think 3K is awfully short. Doesn't change the fact that it's cheap insurance on any car. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-34F146.06443923062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... > In article <89CdnSy-V9LrFOHbnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@sedona.net>, > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >> >> I think 3K is awfully short. > > Doesn't change the fact that it's cheap insurance on any car. > > Cheap insurance against what, exactly? This thread is heavily cross-posted, so it offers us the voice of a lot of experience. Everybody, everywhere, when was the last time you saw an engine that actually suffered from 5K mile oil changes? Even 10K mile? (Note the specific exception below.) And how many have you seen fail because of timing belt neglect or head gasket failure? Have you ever heard (in recent times) of an oil analysis at 5K miles saying the oil was no longer usable? Or even at 10K miles? Have you heard of any engine (again, in the last 30 years or so) that suffered damage or sludge from 5K change intervals? My view is well summarized in http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Oi...ge%20Intervals - 3K oil changes are from days long gone except as recommended by those entities that wish the instructions could say "drain, fill, repeat." The previously mentioned site noted that engines with hydraulic timing chain snubbers are an exception, and I agree with that. I would also expand it to any engine with internal hydraulics, like variable valve timing engines. However, I think higher detergency oils are a more important factor in those engines than excessively frequent oil changes. Mike |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-34F146.06443923062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... > In article <89CdnSy-V9LrFOHbnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@sedona.net>, > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >> >> I think 3K is awfully short. > > Doesn't change the fact that it's cheap insurance on any car. > > Cheap insurance against what, exactly? This thread is heavily cross-posted, so it offers us the voice of a lot of experience. Everybody, everywhere, when was the last time you saw an engine that actually suffered from 5K mile oil changes? Even 10K mile? (Note the specific exception below.) And how many have you seen fail because of timing belt neglect or head gasket failure? Have you ever heard (in recent times) of an oil analysis at 5K miles saying the oil was no longer usable? Or even at 10K miles? Have you heard of any engine (again, in the last 30 years or so) that suffered damage or sludge from 5K change intervals? My view is well summarized in http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Oi...ge%20Intervals - 3K oil changes are from days long gone except as recommended by those entities that wish the instructions could say "drain, fill, repeat." The previously mentioned site noted that engines with hydraulic timing chain snubbers are an exception, and I agree with that. I would also expand it to any engine with internal hydraulics, like variable valve timing engines. However, I think higher detergency oils are a more important factor in those engines than excessively frequent oil changes. Mike |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-34F146.06443923062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... > In article <89CdnSy-V9LrFOHbnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@sedona.net>, > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >> >> I think 3K is awfully short. > > Doesn't change the fact that it's cheap insurance on any car. > > Cheap insurance against what, exactly? This thread is heavily cross-posted, so it offers us the voice of a lot of experience. Everybody, everywhere, when was the last time you saw an engine that actually suffered from 5K mile oil changes? Even 10K mile? (Note the specific exception below.) And how many have you seen fail because of timing belt neglect or head gasket failure? Have you ever heard (in recent times) of an oil analysis at 5K miles saying the oil was no longer usable? Or even at 10K miles? Have you heard of any engine (again, in the last 30 years or so) that suffered damage or sludge from 5K change intervals? My view is well summarized in http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Oi...ge%20Intervals - 3K oil changes are from days long gone except as recommended by those entities that wish the instructions could say "drain, fill, repeat." The previously mentioned site noted that engines with hydraulic timing chain snubbers are an exception, and I agree with that. I would also expand it to any engine with internal hydraulics, like variable valve timing engines. However, I think higher detergency oils are a more important factor in those engines than excessively frequent oil changes. Mike |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. > > I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an > engine. > > Jeff DeWitt Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. > > I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an > engine. > > Jeff DeWitt Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. |
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