2006 Civic 38 mpg manual 40 mpg automatic?
Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA
38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg with the automatic. What's "wrong" here? |
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A. Smith wrote:
> Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA > 38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg > with the automatic. > > What's "wrong" here? nothing. the system's been programmed to shift for economy - after all, the ecu /does/ know how much gas is being injected. pretty simple. |
Re: 2006 Civic 38 mpg manual 40 mpg automatic?
jim beam wrote: > A. Smith wrote: > > Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA > > 38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg > > with the automatic. > > > > What's "wrong" here? > > nothing. the system's been programmed to shift for economy - after all, > the ecu /does/ know how much gas is being injected. pretty simple. Right! I think you'll have a hard time getting lower mileage/gallon with a stick than an automatic on any of the new cars. Remco |
Re: 2006 Civic 38 mpg manual 40 mpg automatic?
"Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote
> jim beam wrote: > > A. Smith wrote: > > > Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA > > > 38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg > > > with the automatic. > > > > > > What's "wrong" here? > > > > nothing. the system's been programmed to shift for economy - after all, > > the ecu /does/ know how much gas is being injected. pretty simple. > > Right! I think you'll have a hard time getting lower mileage/gallon > with a stick than an automatic on any of the new cars. One more voice: In fact, this trend has been going on for several years. Many automatics have been trumping manual transmission cars for fuel economy, back to the mid/late 1990s or so, IIRC. "Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control" (VTEC) has been a big factor in this, IIRC. |
Re: 2006 Civic 38 mpg manual 40 mpg automatic?
Yes, I noticed this same thing with the mpg on my 05 CRV.
"Elle" <elle_navorski@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message news:RlhWe.106$Gg1.66@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink .net... > "Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote >> jim beam wrote: >> > A. Smith wrote: >> > > Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA >> > > 38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg >> > > with the automatic. >> > > >> > > What's "wrong" here? >> > >> > nothing. the system's been programmed to shift for economy - after >> > all, >> > the ecu /does/ know how much gas is being injected. pretty simple. >> >> Right! I think you'll have a hard time getting lower mileage/gallon >> with a stick than an automatic on any of the new cars. > > One more voice: In fact, this trend has been going on for several years. > Many automatics have been trumping manual transmission cars for fuel > economy, back to the mid/late 1990s or so, IIRC. "Variable Valve Timing > and > Lift Electronic Control" (VTEC) has been a big factor in this, IIRC. > > |
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"A. Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:11iipt7ddi5mq62@corp.supernews.com: > Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA > 38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg > with the automatic. > > What's "wrong" here? > Nothing at all. Modern automatics are astonishingly efficient. Manuals are subject to user ineptness. I'd say about 99.999% of manual transmission users cannot shift as well as a modern computer-controlled automatic. And that includes me. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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"Elle" <elle_navorski@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:RlhWe.106$Gg1.66@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink .net: > "Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote >> jim beam wrote: >> > A. Smith wrote: >> > > Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA >> > > 38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg >> > > with the automatic. >> > > >> > > What's "wrong" here? >> > >> > nothing. the system's been programmed to shift for economy - after >> > all, the ecu /does/ know how much gas is being injected. pretty >> > simple. >> >> Right! I think you'll have a hard time getting lower mileage/gallon >> with a stick than an automatic on any of the new cars. > > One more voice: In fact, this trend has been going on for several > years. Many automatics have been trumping manual transmission cars for > fuel economy, back to the mid/late 1990s or so, IIRC. "Variable Valve > Timing and Lift Electronic Control" (VTEC) has been a big factor in > this, IIRC. > > > Automatics are far better than manuals all around these days. Computerized electronic controls trump human brains and muscles hands down. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message news:Xns96D2DDE579871tegger@207.14.113.17... > "A. Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:11iipt7ddi5mq62@corp.supernews.com: > >> Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA >> 38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg >> with the automatic. >> >> What's "wrong" here? >> > > > Nothing at all. > > Modern automatics are astonishingly efficient. Manuals are subject to user > ineptness. > > I'd say about 99.999% of manual transmission users cannot shift as well as > a modern computer-controlled automatic. And that includes me. > > -- > TeGGeR® > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ I noticed some automatics were getting better mpg than a manual - sometimes only for city or highway. Can't remember which. They both have their good and bad points. I love the control and "fun factor" of the stick, as long as I'm not in heavy traffic. ie - D.C. or Manhattan. That only happens sometimes for me when I drive there. Still bought a '05 Accord LX 5-speed and love the 5-speed. It'll be a pain to sell later, I know - but don't plan to sell any time soon. Been averaging 27 mpg w/mostly city and some highway. Got over 34mpg round trip between Baltimore County and NYC last week. The trip was mostly 65-80 mph with the a/c on during most of the trip. -Dave |
Re: 2006 Civic 38 mpg manual 40 mpg automatic?
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:23:00 -0400, "A. Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com>
wrote: >Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA >38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg >with the automatic. > >What's "wrong" here? nothing. in a contrived and non-realistic test one gets better figures than another. Its a lot easier to program a computer to shift at different times, than it is to get a person to shift at the optimum times for these STATIC tests. |
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"Dave L" <davelieuREMOVE@MEyahoo.com> wrote in
news:Hqidna9x7q1mqbbeRVn-vg@comcast.com: > > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > news:Xns96D2DDE579871tegger@207.14.113.17... >> "A. Smith" <ecarecar@yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:11iipt7ddi5mq62@corp.supernews.com: >> >>> Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA >>> 38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg >>> with the automatic. >>> >>> What's "wrong" here? >>> >> >> >> Nothing at all. >> >> Modern automatics are astonishingly efficient. Manuals are subject to >> user ineptness. >> >> I'd say about 99.999% of manual transmission users cannot shift as >> well as a modern computer-controlled automatic. And that includes me. >> > > I noticed some automatics were getting better mpg than a manual - > sometimes only for city or highway. Can't remember which. > > They both have their good and bad points. I love the control and "fun > factor" of the stick, as long as I'm not in heavy traffic. I like my manual in any case. Just today I spent a half-hour blipping forwards a few feet at a time on the freeway to get past an accident. Better that than lose control the rest of the time with an automatic. Don't like trannies that change gear all by themselves... > ie - D.C. > or Manhattan. Or the 405 in LA at rush hour(s)... -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message news:Xns96D3DDEF9EB23tegger@207.14.113.17... > > I like my manual in any case. Just today I spent a half-hour blipping > forwards a few feet at a time on the freeway to get past an accident. > Better that than lose control the rest of the time with an automatic. This last sentence is quite the bizarre statement. Are you saying that you can't maintain care and control of a vehicle with an automatic transmission? If you're not saying that, what thought exactly are you trying to convey? {;^) Brian |
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"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:K1SWe.171790$wr.34624@clgrps12... > > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > news:Xns96D3DDEF9EB23tegger@207.14.113.17... >> >> I like my manual in any case. Just today I spent a half-hour blipping >> forwards a few feet at a time on the freeway to get past an accident. >> Better that than lose control the rest of the time with an automatic. > > This last sentence is quite the bizarre statement. Are you saying that you > can't maintain care and control of a vehicle with an automatic > transmission? If you're not saying that, what thought exactly are you > trying to convey? {;^) > > Brian > > I think the sentiment is the same I have with automatic transmissions - they choose the gear they think is best, which isn't always suited to my purpose. It is more often a subjective thing than an objective thing, but the bottom line is that 100% of the time the manual tranny is in the gear I want while an automatic rates more like 90%... with the remaining 10% being annoying. I especially hate automatic shifts on slippery roads. It's like having a demon give your car a little *nudge* whenever he feels like it. My job takes me off-road a lot (I describe the job as "taking computer age skills to the end of bronze age roads in any weather at any time"). Some of the roads are intense 4WD, others are miles-long sand pits. Some people don't mind automatics in their trucks, but I had to borrow a truck with an automatic once and I swore I'd never do that again. It upshifted when it wanted, not when I wanted. To each their own. Mike |
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message > news:K1SWe.171790$wr.34624@clgrps12... > >>"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message >>news:Xns96D3DDEF9EB23tegger@207.14.113.17... >> >>>I like my manual in any case. Just today I spent a half-hour blipping >>>forwards a few feet at a time on the freeway to get past an accident. >>>Better that than lose control the rest of the time with an automatic. >> >>This last sentence is quite the bizarre statement. Are you saying that you >>can't maintain care and control of a vehicle with an automatic >>transmission? If you're not saying that, what thought exactly are you >>trying to convey? {;^) >> >>Brian >> >> > > I think the sentiment is the same I have with automatic transmissions - they > choose the gear they think is best, which isn't always suited to my purpose. > It is more often a subjective thing than an objective thing, but the bottom > line is that 100% of the time the manual tranny is in the gear I want while > an automatic rates more like 90%... with the remaining 10% being annoying. I > especially hate automatic shifts on slippery roads. It's like having a demon > give your car a little *nudge* whenever he feels like it. > > My job takes me off-road a lot (I describe the job as "taking computer age > skills to the end of bronze age roads in any weather at any time"). Some of > the roads are intense 4WD, others are miles-long sand pits. Some people > don't mind automatics in their trucks, but I had to borrow a truck with an > automatic once and I swore I'd never do that again. It upshifted when it > wanted, not when I wanted. > > To each their own. > > Mike > > what vintage automatic truck was it and did it have electronic shift control? and how can it upshift when you have manual over-ride? |
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"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:UuydnQ-F6pBErrHeRVn-rQ@speakeasy.net... > Michael Pardee wrote: >> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message >> news:K1SWe.171790$wr.34624@clgrps12... >> >>>"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message >>>news:Xns96D3DDEF9EB23tegger@207.14.113.17... >>> >>>>I like my manual in any case. Just today I spent a half-hour blipping >>>>forwards a few feet at a time on the freeway to get past an accident. >>>>Better that than lose control the rest of the time with an automatic. >>> >>>This last sentence is quite the bizarre statement. Are you saying that >>>you can't maintain care and control of a vehicle with an automatic >>>transmission? If you're not saying that, what thought exactly are you >>>trying to convey? {;^) >>> >>>Brian >>> >>> >> >> I think the sentiment is the same I have with automatic transmissions - >> they choose the gear they think is best, which isn't always suited to my >> purpose. It is more often a subjective thing than an objective thing, but >> the bottom line is that 100% of the time the manual tranny is in the gear >> I want while an automatic rates more like 90%... with the remaining 10% >> being annoying. I especially hate automatic shifts on slippery roads. >> It's like having a demon give your car a little *nudge* whenever he feels >> like it. >> >> My job takes me off-road a lot (I describe the job as "taking computer >> age skills to the end of bronze age roads in any weather at any time"). >> Some of the roads are intense 4WD, others are miles-long sand pits. Some >> people don't mind automatics in their trucks, but I had to borrow a truck >> with an automatic once and I swore I'd never do that again. It upshifted >> when it wanted, not when I wanted. >> >> To each their own. >> >> Mike > what vintage automatic truck was it and did it have electronic shift > control? and how can it upshift when you have manual over-ride? > It was a 1993 Ford F-250, but I doubt the new ones are any better. Our department standard is manuals, both for ruggedness and control, but the guy who originally had the truck insisted on an automatic. He was pretty odd anyway. Automatics can be forced to downshift but (most) can't be forced to upshift. You can allow it to shift, but the actual upshift takes place when it's ready, not when you're ready. I also can't stand the loss of being able to tell when the wheels are spinning by listening to the engine sound - but for those who never encounter mud, snow or ice it probably isn't a consideration. I agree that automatics are nice for driving around town or on the highway in good conditions. Mike |
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Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message > news:UuydnQ-F6pBErrHeRVn-rQ@speakeasy.net... > >>Michael Pardee wrote: >> >>>"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message >>>news:K1SWe.171790$wr.34624@clgrps12... >>> >>> >>>>"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message >>>>news:Xns96D3DDEF9EB23tegger@207.14.113.17... >>>> >>>> >>>>>I like my manual in any case. Just today I spent a half-hour blipping >>>>>forwards a few feet at a time on the freeway to get past an accident. >>>>>Better that than lose control the rest of the time with an automatic. >>>> >>>>This last sentence is quite the bizarre statement. Are you saying that >>>>you can't maintain care and control of a vehicle with an automatic >>>>transmission? If you're not saying that, what thought exactly are you >>>>trying to convey? {;^) >>>> >>>>Brian >>>> >>>> >>> >>>I think the sentiment is the same I have with automatic transmissions - >>>they choose the gear they think is best, which isn't always suited to my >>>purpose. It is more often a subjective thing than an objective thing, but >>>the bottom line is that 100% of the time the manual tranny is in the gear >>>I want while an automatic rates more like 90%... with the remaining 10% >>>being annoying. I especially hate automatic shifts on slippery roads. >>>It's like having a demon give your car a little *nudge* whenever he feels >>>like it. >>> >>>My job takes me off-road a lot (I describe the job as "taking computer >>>age skills to the end of bronze age roads in any weather at any time"). >>>Some of the roads are intense 4WD, others are miles-long sand pits. Some >>>people don't mind automatics in their trucks, but I had to borrow a truck >>>with an automatic once and I swore I'd never do that again. It upshifted >>>when it wanted, not when I wanted. >>> >>>To each their own. >>> >>>Mike >> >>what vintage automatic truck was it and did it have electronic shift >>control? and how can it upshift when you have manual over-ride? >> > > It was a 1993 Ford F-250, but I doubt the new ones are any better. Our > department standard is manuals, both for ruggedness and control, but the guy > who originally had the truck insisted on an automatic. He was pretty odd > anyway. Automatics can be forced to downshift but (most) can't be forced to > upshift. You can allow it to shift, but the actual upshift takes place when > it's ready, not when you're ready. > > I also can't stand the loss of being able to tell when the wheels are > spinning by listening to the engine sound - but for those who never > encounter mud, snow or ice it probably isn't a consideration. > > I agree that automatics are nice for driving around town or on the highway > in good conditions. > > Mike > > don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking your preference, but i don't understand the upshift bit. it /can't/ upshift if you're manually over-riding it. if you want it to shift "prematurely" for traction in snow or mug, it shouldn't matter once you're under way. and with the honda, you /do/ have the ability to pull away in "2", where first gear will not engage. |
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