Re: 5-20 oil on 98 Accord-I4?
 

karl wrote:
>>Date: Mon, Jan 9 2006 7:12 pm
>>From: jim beam
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>>>Date: Mon, Jan 9 2006 6:51 pm
>>>From: "karl"
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>>>>Date: Mon, Jan 9 2006 6:19 am
>>>>From: jim beam
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>>>>>Date: Sun, Jan 8 2006 6:58 pm
>>>>>From: "karl"
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>>>>>TOPIC: 5-20 oil on 98 Accord-I4?
>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...a2cc3970410acd
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>>>>>>Date: Fri, Jan 6 2006 6:43 am
>>>>>>From: jim beam
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>>>>>>John Horner wrote:
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>>>>>>>Ford went to considerable trouble to publish
>>>>>>>service bulletins showing which older models were
>>>>>>>demonstrated to be compatible with 5W-20 after Ford
>>>>>>>switched most of their new vehicles to 5W-20.
>>>>>>>However, I have never seen any similar publication
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>>>>>>>from Honda, which makes one wonder if there are
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>>>>>>>issues with using 5W-20 in Hondas which did not
>>>>>>>specify it when new.
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>>>>>>>John
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>>>>>>ford are idiots that don't know what they're doing,
>>>>>>or are doing it to cut corners/save money. it's their
>>>>>>corporate culture.
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>>>>>There are idiots, but it's not Ford's engineers who
>>>>>don't know what they are talking. And, they "cut
>>>>>corners/save money" doesn't make sense if they "went
>>>>>to considerable trouble to publish ..."
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>>>>so, do you know much about cars? do you know about 3
>>>>vs. 5 bearing crankshafts? do you know about cast
>>>>cranks vs. forged? do you know about high silica brake
>>>>pads? transmission clutch pack quality? how about
>>>>tolerances? suv rollover? solid rear axles straight out
>>>>of the 20's? leaf springs? red rear turn signals to
>>>>save 2 bulbs and a few yards of wire? dude, no
>>>>kidding, there's not a single nut, bolt, strand of
>>>>wire, or even paint particle on a ford that is not the
>>>>cheapest they think they can get away with. not one
>>>>single thing.
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>>>No, jim, I do not know much about cars.
>>>Why do you ask? Your question has no bearing on the
>>>issue at hand.
>>>The issue is substituting 5W-20 for 10W-30.
>>>Do you have anything useful to add?
>>>And, jim, I do keep my mouth shut on matters I do not
>>>understand. How about you?
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>>so why are you defending ford, contrary to any reason
>>for anyone that's examined their design, production
>>technology and quality?
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> Here we go again. When you have nothing useful to say
> about the sugject at hand you talk about something else.
> You do this frequently. Jim, you don't have to post;
> relax.
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> Ford did the right thing, they published, according to
> John, which of their older models can savely be switched
> to 5W-20. But you call them idiots.
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ford also published that it's ok to leave the brake fluid for the life
of the vehicle. is that ok just because ford say so? nhtsa don't seem
to think so.

the point is karl, since you seem to be /so/ interested, that ford
quality is poor. the slightest problem with a 5w-20 oil in a poor, low
tolerance, minimal material quality ford motor /will/ result in a
shortened engine lifespan. and ford say that's "ok", using the same
[economic] rationale that justifies not changing the brake fluid, i.e.,
it's out of warranty and the consumer pays. if that's ok with you, good
luck to you.