800,000 mile 1984 Honda
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
I dont think so......
A drill will only have a certain RPM.
A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
days.
You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
> He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
> the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
> 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
A drill will only have a certain RPM.
A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
days.
You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
> He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
> the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
> 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
A little while ago, wasn't there a Toyota Corolla on the Letterman show that
was about to turn One Million miles? They brought it on the show, and drove
it around the block a few times to show on tv the millionth mile.
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> When I test drove an Accord on Saturday the salesman who has all the top
> awards as the best mentioned that he has a customer with the subject car.
> Original engine and transmission. When I said that the guy would have to
> drive 40,000 miles a year to get that he said, Yes I guess that's right.
I
> think he has stretched reality but I know that there's a Volvo that has a
> million miles and several diesel Merecedes. But a Honda? Anyone have any
> facts?
> tnx
> Hank
>
>
was about to turn One Million miles? They brought it on the show, and drove
it around the block a few times to show on tv the millionth mile.
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> When I test drove an Accord on Saturday the salesman who has all the top
> awards as the best mentioned that he has a customer with the subject car.
> Original engine and transmission. When I said that the guy would have to
> drive 40,000 miles a year to get that he said, Yes I guess that's right.
I
> think he has stretched reality but I know that there's a Volvo that has a
> million miles and several diesel Merecedes. But a Honda? Anyone have any
> facts?
> tnx
> Hank
>
>
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
A little while ago, wasn't there a Toyota Corolla on the Letterman show that
was about to turn One Million miles? They brought it on the show, and drove
it around the block a few times to show on tv the millionth mile.
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Zcpme.49$RV5.27@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> When I test drove an Accord on Saturday the salesman who has all the top
> awards as the best mentioned that he has a customer with the subject car.
> Original engine and transmission. When I said that the guy would have to
> drive 40,000 miles a year to get that he said, Yes I guess that's right.
I
> think he has stretched reality but I know that there's a Volvo that has a
> million miles and several diesel Merecedes. But a Honda? Anyone have any
> facts?
> tnx
> Hank
>
>
was about to turn One Million miles? They brought it on the show, and drove
it around the block a few times to show on tv the millionth mile.
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Zcpme.49$RV5.27@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> When I test drove an Accord on Saturday the salesman who has all the top
> awards as the best mentioned that he has a customer with the subject car.
> Original engine and transmission. When I said that the guy would have to
> drive 40,000 miles a year to get that he said, Yes I guess that's right.
I
> think he has stretched reality but I know that there's a Volvo that has a
> million miles and several diesel Merecedes. But a Honda? Anyone have any
> facts?
> tnx
> Hank
>
>
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
In article <6Ladnepl5v_vdgHfRVn-1g@comcast.com>, "Masterson"
<adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote:
> I dont think so......
>
> A drill will only have a certain RPM.
> A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
> many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
> days.
>
> You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
>
>
>
>
> > He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
> > the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
> > 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
I'll be honest with you. My memory does not work as well as it did when I
was younger. It's been several years since I seen it on a television show.
I don't remember the exact details. It's very possible that it took longer
and they used a drill that was set on a speed that would do no damage. For
example, they might have left the drill on for several hours or over night
and merely showed the odometer on film when the drill was started and they
started filming again the following morning. I just remember that I never
trusted odometer readings on used cars after I seen that television show.
Does anyone else know anything about a device that allows used car dealers
to turn back the odometer readings on older cars? If so, please post.
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<adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote:
> I dont think so......
>
> A drill will only have a certain RPM.
> A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
> many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
> days.
>
> You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
>
>
>
>
> > He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
> > the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
> > 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
I'll be honest with you. My memory does not work as well as it did when I
was younger. It's been several years since I seen it on a television show.
I don't remember the exact details. It's very possible that it took longer
and they used a drill that was set on a speed that would do no damage. For
example, they might have left the drill on for several hours or over night
and merely showed the odometer on film when the drill was started and they
started filming again the following morning. I just remember that I never
trusted odometer readings on used cars after I seen that television show.
Does anyone else know anything about a device that allows used car dealers
to turn back the odometer readings on older cars? If so, please post.
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
In article <6Ladnepl5v_vdgHfRVn-1g@comcast.com>, "Masterson"
<adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote:
> I dont think so......
>
> A drill will only have a certain RPM.
> A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
> many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
> days.
>
> You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
>
>
>
>
> > He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
> > the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
> > 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
I'll be honest with you. My memory does not work as well as it did when I
was younger. It's been several years since I seen it on a television show.
I don't remember the exact details. It's very possible that it took longer
and they used a drill that was set on a speed that would do no damage. For
example, they might have left the drill on for several hours or over night
and merely showed the odometer on film when the drill was started and they
started filming again the following morning. I just remember that I never
trusted odometer readings on used cars after I seen that television show.
Does anyone else know anything about a device that allows used car dealers
to turn back the odometer readings on older cars? If so, please post.
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<adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote:
> I dont think so......
>
> A drill will only have a certain RPM.
> A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
> many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
> days.
>
> You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
>
>
>
>
> > He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
> > the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
> > 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
I'll be honest with you. My memory does not work as well as it did when I
was younger. It's been several years since I seen it on a television show.
I don't remember the exact details. It's very possible that it took longer
and they used a drill that was set on a speed that would do no damage. For
example, they might have left the drill on for several hours or over night
and merely showed the odometer on film when the drill was started and they
started filming again the following morning. I just remember that I never
trusted odometer readings on used cars after I seen that television show.
Does anyone else know anything about a device that allows used car dealers
to turn back the odometer readings on older cars? If so, please post.
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <6Ladnepl5v_vdgHfRVn-1g@comcast.com>, "Masterson"
> <adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote:
>
>> I dont think so......
>>
>> A drill will only have a certain RPM.
>> A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
>> many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
>> days.
>>
>> You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
>> > the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
>> > 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
>
> I'll be honest with you. My memory does not work as well as it did when I
> was younger. It's been several years since I seen it on a television show.
> I don't remember the exact details. It's very possible that it took longer
> and they used a drill that was set on a speed that would do no damage. For
> example, they might have left the drill on for several hours or over night
> and merely showed the odometer on film when the drill was started and they
> started filming again the following morning. I just remember that I never
> trusted odometer readings on used cars after I seen that television show.
> Does anyone else know anything about a device that allows used car dealers
> to turn back the odometer readings on older cars? If so, please post.
>
I recall a Perry Mason show (from the black and white days) in which a car's
odometer reading had something to do with whether it could have been at the
scene of the murder or some such thing. The "aha" in the show was that the
car in question was an older one (like from the '30s) and the odometer would
turn backward when the car was in reverse. The killer just put the rear axle
on blocks, put the car in reverse and let it idle a while.
I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn back the
odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn back an odometer 50,000
miles even in ten hours would require simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a
dubious concept.
Mike
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> In article <6Ladnepl5v_vdgHfRVn-1g@comcast.com>, "Masterson"
> <adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote:
>
>> I dont think so......
>>
>> A drill will only have a certain RPM.
>> A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
>> many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
>> days.
>>
>> You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
>> > the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
>> > 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
>
> I'll be honest with you. My memory does not work as well as it did when I
> was younger. It's been several years since I seen it on a television show.
> I don't remember the exact details. It's very possible that it took longer
> and they used a drill that was set on a speed that would do no damage. For
> example, they might have left the drill on for several hours or over night
> and merely showed the odometer on film when the drill was started and they
> started filming again the following morning. I just remember that I never
> trusted odometer readings on used cars after I seen that television show.
> Does anyone else know anything about a device that allows used car dealers
> to turn back the odometer readings on older cars? If so, please post.
>
I recall a Perry Mason show (from the black and white days) in which a car's
odometer reading had something to do with whether it could have been at the
scene of the murder or some such thing. The "aha" in the show was that the
car in question was an older one (like from the '30s) and the odometer would
turn backward when the car was in reverse. The killer just put the rear axle
on blocks, put the car in reverse and let it idle a while.
I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn back the
odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn back an odometer 50,000
miles even in ten hours would require simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a
dubious concept.
Mike
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <6Ladnepl5v_vdgHfRVn-1g@comcast.com>, "Masterson"
> <adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote:
>
>> I dont think so......
>>
>> A drill will only have a certain RPM.
>> A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
>> many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
>> days.
>>
>> You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
>> > the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
>> > 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
>
> I'll be honest with you. My memory does not work as well as it did when I
> was younger. It's been several years since I seen it on a television show.
> I don't remember the exact details. It's very possible that it took longer
> and they used a drill that was set on a speed that would do no damage. For
> example, they might have left the drill on for several hours or over night
> and merely showed the odometer on film when the drill was started and they
> started filming again the following morning. I just remember that I never
> trusted odometer readings on used cars after I seen that television show.
> Does anyone else know anything about a device that allows used car dealers
> to turn back the odometer readings on older cars? If so, please post.
>
I recall a Perry Mason show (from the black and white days) in which a car's
odometer reading had something to do with whether it could have been at the
scene of the murder or some such thing. The "aha" in the show was that the
car in question was an older one (like from the '30s) and the odometer would
turn backward when the car was in reverse. The killer just put the rear axle
on blocks, put the car in reverse and let it idle a while.
I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn back the
odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn back an odometer 50,000
miles even in ten hours would require simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a
dubious concept.
Mike
news:jason-3105051855420001@pm1-broad-87.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> In article <6Ladnepl5v_vdgHfRVn-1g@comcast.com>, "Masterson"
> <adam@soundsolutionsmd.com> wrote:
>
>> I dont think so......
>>
>> A drill will only have a certain RPM.
>> A drill would spin to slow to make it go that
>> many miles in two minutes. I would most likely take
>> days.
>>
>> You cant spin an odometer too fast, the gears break.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > He turned on the drill and the camera focused on
>> > the odometer. The mileage went from about 80,000 miles down to about
>> > 35,000 miles in less than two minutes.
>
> I'll be honest with you. My memory does not work as well as it did when I
> was younger. It's been several years since I seen it on a television show.
> I don't remember the exact details. It's very possible that it took longer
> and they used a drill that was set on a speed that would do no damage. For
> example, they might have left the drill on for several hours or over night
> and merely showed the odometer on film when the drill was started and they
> started filming again the following morning. I just remember that I never
> trusted odometer readings on used cars after I seen that television show.
> Does anyone else know anything about a device that allows used car dealers
> to turn back the odometer readings on older cars? If so, please post.
>
I recall a Perry Mason show (from the black and white days) in which a car's
odometer reading had something to do with whether it could have been at the
scene of the murder or some such thing. The "aha" in the show was that the
car in question was an older one (like from the '30s) and the odometer would
turn backward when the car was in reverse. The killer just put the rear axle
on blocks, put the car in reverse and let it idle a while.
I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn back the
odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn back an odometer 50,000
miles even in ten hours would require simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a
dubious concept.
Mike
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> said:
> I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn
> back the odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn
> back an odometer 50,000 miles even in ten hours would require
> simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a dubious concept.
As well as the fact that many current odometers are electronic, and
not cable/gear driven.
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<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> said:
> I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn
> back the odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn
> back an odometer 50,000 miles even in ten hours would require
> simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a dubious concept.
As well as the fact that many current odometers are electronic, and
not cable/gear driven.
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> said:
> I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn
> back the odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn
> back an odometer 50,000 miles even in ten hours would require
> simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a dubious concept.
As well as the fact that many current odometers are electronic, and
not cable/gear driven.
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<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> said:
> I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn
> back the odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn
> back an odometer 50,000 miles even in ten hours would require
> simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a dubious concept.
As well as the fact that many current odometers are electronic, and
not cable/gear driven.
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
In article <Xns96687BCFF7777larrythefrog@68.6.19.6>, "Larry J."
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> said:
>
> > I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn
> > back the odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn
> > back an odometer 50,000 miles even in ten hours would require
> > simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a dubious concept.
>
> As well as the fact that many current odometers are electronic, and
> not cable/gear driven.
Good point--however, we were referring to older cars such as the 1984
Honda mentioned in the original post.
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> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> said:
>
> > I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn
> > back the odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn
> > back an odometer 50,000 miles even in ten hours would require
> > simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a dubious concept.
>
> As well as the fact that many current odometers are electronic, and
> not cable/gear driven.
Good point--however, we were referring to older cars such as the 1984
Honda mentioned in the original post.
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
In article <Xns96687BCFF7777larrythefrog@68.6.19.6>, "Larry J."
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> said:
>
> > I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn
> > back the odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn
> > back an odometer 50,000 miles even in ten hours would require
> > simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a dubious concept.
>
> As well as the fact that many current odometers are electronic, and
> not cable/gear driven.
Good point--however, we were referring to older cars such as the 1984
Honda mentioned in the original post.
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> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> said:
>
> > I have a big objection to the concept of using a drill to turn
> > back the odometer anyway. All other objections aside, to turn
> > back an odometer 50,000 miles even in ten hours would require
> > simulating 5000 mph with the drill - a dubious concept.
>
> As well as the fact that many current odometers are electronic, and
> not cable/gear driven.
Good point--however, we were referring to older cars such as the 1984
Honda mentioned in the original post.
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
Henry Kolesnik wrote:
> When I test drove an Accord on Saturday the salesman who has all the top
> awards as the best mentioned that he has a customer with the subject car.
> Original engine and transmission. When I said that the guy would have to
> drive 40,000 miles a year to get that he said, Yes I guess that's right. I
> think he has stretched reality but I know that there's a Volvo that has a
> million miles and several diesel Merecedes. But a Honda? Anyone have any
> facts?
My Dad bought an '81 Dodge pickup brand new (with the old Dodge Slant-6,
one of the most durable engines ever made), and retired it in '87 with
just over 450,000km (just over 281,000 miles). That's pushing 75,000km
(around 48,000 miles) per year - he travelled almost weekly from working
in Vancouver to our place near 100 Mile House in the Southern Interior,
about 500km north, and worked now and then in places such as Prince
George (another 400km north) and Fort St. John (yet another 450km north).
He probably would still be driving it, but the body was getting too beat
up, the frame was cracked, and after my sister ran it dry of oil, it was
drinking a 4-liter jug every time it made the Van-CMile trip, not to
mention the hideous noise made by the timing chain rubbing inside its
metal cover.
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> When I test drove an Accord on Saturday the salesman who has all the top
> awards as the best mentioned that he has a customer with the subject car.
> Original engine and transmission. When I said that the guy would have to
> drive 40,000 miles a year to get that he said, Yes I guess that's right. I
> think he has stretched reality but I know that there's a Volvo that has a
> million miles and several diesel Merecedes. But a Honda? Anyone have any
> facts?
My Dad bought an '81 Dodge pickup brand new (with the old Dodge Slant-6,
one of the most durable engines ever made), and retired it in '87 with
just over 450,000km (just over 281,000 miles). That's pushing 75,000km
(around 48,000 miles) per year - he travelled almost weekly from working
in Vancouver to our place near 100 Mile House in the Southern Interior,
about 500km north, and worked now and then in places such as Prince
George (another 400km north) and Fort St. John (yet another 450km north).
He probably would still be driving it, but the body was getting too beat
up, the frame was cracked, and after my sister ran it dry of oil, it was
drinking a 4-liter jug every time it made the Van-CMile trip, not to
mention the hideous noise made by the timing chain rubbing inside its
metal cover.
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Re: 800,000 mile 1984 Honda
Henry Kolesnik wrote:
> When I test drove an Accord on Saturday the salesman who has all the top
> awards as the best mentioned that he has a customer with the subject car.
> Original engine and transmission. When I said that the guy would have to
> drive 40,000 miles a year to get that he said, Yes I guess that's right. I
> think he has stretched reality but I know that there's a Volvo that has a
> million miles and several diesel Merecedes. But a Honda? Anyone have any
> facts?
My Dad bought an '81 Dodge pickup brand new (with the old Dodge Slant-6,
one of the most durable engines ever made), and retired it in '87 with
just over 450,000km (just over 281,000 miles). That's pushing 75,000km
(around 48,000 miles) per year - he travelled almost weekly from working
in Vancouver to our place near 100 Mile House in the Southern Interior,
about 500km north, and worked now and then in places such as Prince
George (another 400km north) and Fort St. John (yet another 450km north).
He probably would still be driving it, but the body was getting too beat
up, the frame was cracked, and after my sister ran it dry of oil, it was
drinking a 4-liter jug every time it made the Van-CMile trip, not to
mention the hideous noise made by the timing chain rubbing inside its
metal cover.
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> When I test drove an Accord on Saturday the salesman who has all the top
> awards as the best mentioned that he has a customer with the subject car.
> Original engine and transmission. When I said that the guy would have to
> drive 40,000 miles a year to get that he said, Yes I guess that's right. I
> think he has stretched reality but I know that there's a Volvo that has a
> million miles and several diesel Merecedes. But a Honda? Anyone have any
> facts?
My Dad bought an '81 Dodge pickup brand new (with the old Dodge Slant-6,
one of the most durable engines ever made), and retired it in '87 with
just over 450,000km (just over 281,000 miles). That's pushing 75,000km
(around 48,000 miles) per year - he travelled almost weekly from working
in Vancouver to our place near 100 Mile House in the Southern Interior,
about 500km north, and worked now and then in places such as Prince
George (another 400km north) and Fort St. John (yet another 450km north).
He probably would still be driving it, but the body was getting too beat
up, the frame was cracked, and after my sister ran it dry of oil, it was
drinking a 4-liter jug every time it made the Van-CMile trip, not to
mention the hideous noise made by the timing chain rubbing inside its
metal cover.
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